Brietbart: Green Party’s Jill Stein Tells Progressives: ‘Don’t Waste Your Vote on Corporate Democrats’ Who Betray You Looks like the only supposed alternative candidate who supports WarHarpy is B.Sanders. Which makes sense - he's a Statist Authoritarian. How's he going to provide free-shit to get elected, like K-14? Or GovernmentCare? Or The ROADS! Think of the children!
"There is nothing that the political establishment wil not do; no lie they will not tell, to hold their prestige and power at your expense... For those who control the levers of power in Washington and for the global special interests, our campaign represents a true existential threat... this election will determine whether or not we, the people, reclaim control over our government." -- The Progressive
You still think the Revolution was against taxes imposed by the Crown. It wasn't. Read what they wrote - this stuff is history, something you can learn about. They wanted government roads, and government ports, and government schools, and a working Post Office run by the government instead of the private messenger services only aristocrats could afford, and so forth. They also wanted land ownership made available to the people who farmed it and improved it, rather than those who currently "owned" it - the very heart and soul of free-shit, the very definition of "redistribution". "Land reform", just like all the Venezuelans and other free-shit mob uprisings in South America wanted. We know that because that's what they said when they fought, and that's what they did when they won. They put more time into creating and imposing a State to their liking - and enforcing its rule at gunpoint against those who didn't want to pay taxes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion - than they had fighting the Revolution in the first place. The only freedom from the State they put serious effort into was the freedom of capitalists to own slaves.
If by "they" you mean Alexander Hammonton. Who wanted to recreate the English Aristocracy in America and who goaded Washington in fighting the Whiskey Rebellion - which he claimed was one of the biggest mistakes of his life and greatly regretted. Interestingly, private enterprise delivers the mail cheaper and more sustainablely. As well ad faster and more reliably. Oddly enough, a large percentage of Slave owners were Jewish. Protestant Christian laborers hated Slavery.
No, by "they" I mean the Framers and Founders - your designated group. No, it doesn't. It didn't then, either - although without a government Post Office to undermine its prices, it was considerably more expensive then. Oh Lord, it's a fast drop to the bottom of the closet. I almost forgot you generally overlook that drawer. Got the complete kit on now - get the pointy white hood laced up, you're good to go. Point of fact: about a quarter of those Framers and Founders you exalt? The slaveowning fraction? they were capitalists, they were Protestant by culture (lot of borderline atheists), they were not Jewish. And the first thing they did was set up a State - actually a sort of meta-State, a metastasis of the concept, what was obviously in prospect an Empire - and use it to protect the powers of its subsidiary States, especially the slaveowning stuff.
Without a US Post Office there would have been competition to provide this service among private couriers. Maybe you don't get it, without the fear of losing your livelihood, people simply lack the ability to innovate, stop caring about the supposed service they're being paid to provide, and begin working political machinations their personal careers. This happens in both large private companies - but is the worse in government institutions. Thus, we end up with the head of the USPO claiming next day (let alone same day) delivery is "impossible". See, he had the same magical gift you have, where you just 'know' through your magic that free market medicine would be 'impossible'. Just as Slave Owners 'knew' we'd all die naked in a ditch without Institutionalized Human Slavery. And etc.... But here's somethings we do know. The initiation of violence against morally innocent humans is immoral. It's immoral when you vote. It's immoral when it's the Gods or the State suggesting otherwise. And, as for what is or is not possible, that no one knows. No one would have anticipated email, which have made ending letters nearly next to free. Often at the cost of your shopping predilection. No one 200 years anticipated machines running on dinosaur juice would plow fields being directed by satellites in space. As to Slavery, as an institution it was ended by White English Protestants. As for Jewish Americans, sure, they didn't often own large plantations of Slaves, they were usually owned a shop Slaves - sometimes set free. And the total number of Masters was small. My point was a large percent of Jewish did own a Slave. Much higher than Protestant Christians. Maybe 25% vs 3%. Yes, that 25% was small. I just think it's interesting, particularly we you're in favor of selling T-Bonds on the labor of the unborn. A form of Slavery. Debt slavery without even having had the pleasure of taking on the debt. You know, because it's impossible for us to organize ourselves into a society that's not reliant on the initiation of violence against various morally innocent humans, be they protestants, jews, Americans or likewise categories. Because you have a magic crystal ball that can see all futures.
Look's like Jill here knows a WarHarpy when she sees one. Isn't THAT interesting? Here we have a Progressive supporting another Progressive over a WarHarpy. Not B.Sanders though - no no no. He's all for the WarHarpy.
Was Kennedy a warmonger for standing up to the USSR during the Cuban Missile Crisis? Sometimes one needs to call Russia's bluff in order to keep the world safe.
Yep, that's what they had. For hundreds of years. In all advanced societies on the planet, not just the US. And regular people couldn't afford it, neither could the small enterprises they started, etc. It was insecure, expensive, irregular, and slow. All that competition prevented low margin startups with no existing market, and punished expansion of service likewise - there were significant startup barriers, the common way such suboptimal equilibria are maintained in a market economy. It took the genius of one of the Framers and Founders to see a way out of that standard economic trap, by establishing a government owned and managed Post Office - cheap, reliable, secure, and available to ordinary folks. So the Post Office was among the several improvements and innovations of the Framers, as you call them, that formed the basis of the immediately burgeoning prosperity of the new Nation. Another one was free-shit land ownership - essentially, granting title to squatters, the government taking land from its owners at gunpoint (or buying it with tax dollars taken at gunpoint and borrowed money to be paid back at gunpoint by the children of the community) and giving it away to other people. That was possibly the largest and most influential free-shit program ever launched by any government on the planet in recorded history - lasted all the way through the Civil War, another freeshit program for ignorant multicultural refugees. (If you think Germany and Sweden face problems with refugees, imagine what the US faced after the Civil War). Heroes of Freeshit, we should call them. I credit you with the terminology, of course. Which brings us to the Donald - does he look like a Hero of Freeshit, to you? Does he remind you of Benjamin Franklin, Abraham Lincoln, Franklin Roosevelt? Because most other people - including his supporters - think not.
This is what seem to lack the ability to grasp. Government is a group of people - not unlike any other group of people, with one exception, they have the legal right to initiate violence against morally innocent humans. In effect, you're attempting to suggest that the only means of the 'ordinary' person to deliver the mail on time and cost-effectively was to use violence against morally innocent humans. Now, here's what I'm wondering about - HOW was it cost effective? Because in scenario (A) a private company: a private company must offer enough value to provide secure mail delivery. Someone has to pay. That someone is usually the person sending the mail. in scenario (B) the USPO isn't all the had to be paid for. Not only do you have to pay for everything in scenario (A) in order to provide the infrastructure to actually deliver the mail, then on top of this you also have to pay for a Federal Bureaucracy (IN ADDITION). You also have to pay for a tax department (IN ADDITION). And etc... all on top of what it costs to deliver the mail. Where do you think money comes from? Oh, that's right, magic. It *poofs* in existence as a fiat currency note. Except printing money doesn't print the goods and services that money has a claim on. No, that requires people. But, let's say, for a period of time, that large organizations of humans do require a gun in the face of those that are morally innocent. Shouldn't the amount of violence be LIMITED? Severely so? Shouldn't we work to eliminate Governmental Services and replace them with voluntary ones / private businesses? Oh, I noticed, now the USDA is Certifying Organic. I claimed they would do this. This has helped put a few private companies out of business. Sure, great if you're running a Government Business / the USDA - you have a monopoly. Not so good for the people who have to compete against the Government monopoly. Effectively, destroying both jobs and opportunities - not to mention reducing competition, which will, in time, reduce quality. Anyway, nice to see Jill Stein has come to her senses Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
** It should also be noted that the head of the USPO was 100% positive next day (let alone same day) delivery was IMPOSSIBLE. So, if you ever wonder why Government School suck, well, they're run by people who are 100% positive this is as good as it gets. ** It should also be noted that when the 'rich corporation' is taxed - it's the poor that will pay, they'll pay more in the price of the goods and services they purchase. In a free society, capitalists make money selling goods and services to people - the richest, generally trading with the poorest (see: Henry Ford, McDonalds, Apple or Walmart). If we want to live in a prosperous society we require: 1. Sound money (derived through free people trading with one another) 2. Laws (that protect property and uphold contract) 3. Freedom (free-markets) Don't expect WarHarpy to bring anything of the above. And, importantly, don't expect The Trump to do so either. Onward and downward is our future. I expect soon, you'll be required to purchase a State Internet ID, you know, to help the poor.
So read up - this is history, and you can inform yourself. As I listed: in contrast to every single private enterprise message delivery system ever seen on the planet over the hundreds of years until then, it was cheap, reliable, secure, and in general routinely available to people who were not wealthy. And that made a real difference to the citizenry of America - including the many small businessmen and such, who could now accomplish much that was formerly impossible. The US Post Office was routinely delivering next day and same day mail in my home town up until the US government divested itself of the Postal Service - it was a cost of that step toward the "privatization" you dimwits think is so efficient, and rightwing authoritarians have been trying to push on the country for decades now. Well, you have found a silly bureaucrat to quote - he was not the only upper level executive, including the heads of the private delivery services that have always been around in the US, to think "impossible" what was already being done on a small scale. If you recall, the original business plan for long range next day package - not mail, and not cheap - delivery was a student project at a private business school dedicated to teaching the skills important in private capitalist enterprise: and it was rejected, given a failing grade, because one of the requirements was that the proposal be "feasible". The student did not accept the private capitalist expert's opinion, and proved all those private capitalist businessmen wrong. Does that mean private capitalist business executives are incompetents who will never be able to innovate and bring advances to us all? Don't blame me - it was those Framers and Founders, those Heroes of Freeshit, whom you introduced to this thread, that came up with the idea. Also redistribution of land, taken from its owners at gunpoint and given to squatters. And it worked. If you think only the wealthy should be able to enjoy them, sure. Y'know, for moral reasons, because they can pay what they'll cost. Trump is your guy, for that.
All goods and services should be privatized. The problem with the Government privatizing public services is they usually wait until the rot is deep, the nepotism overwhelming and then finally resort to selling off an old carcass to private investors (usually buddies) with the sole purpose of watching the hag die; enter bankruptcy, whereby all the incompetent public servants can be dumped. At this point various politicians crap on about the evils of the free market in between bullshitting the functionally illiterate voting public about livable wages. You know, because magic. It's a win-win for them. Because then, the government 'takes over', with a shinny new company run by free market entrepreneurs happy to suck from the Government's teet, rather than work for a living. And the whole process starts over again. I have suggested privatization MANY TIMES as the ONLY solution to rotten public institutions. Of course, this means a lot of people are going to lose their cushy jobs. Usually, what happens, is the services just gets shittier and shittier. And everyone normalizes. You know, like K-12 dumping functionally illiterate graduates at a rate of 1 in 5. And hey, just sell more T-bonds on the unborn. Kick the can. F em, they can pay. The best solution is to have private companies that go into and out of business - all in competition. Sure, it's not safe and secure. But that's life. And it's better for both society, as well as (believe it or not) the people losing their jobs. While this may at first appear to be counter-intuitive, it's not. Many of these people NEED to lose their jobs. Some because they're overpaid, other's because they're being underpaid. Only a vibrant free-market will reallocate efficiently enough to see most ambitious people are placed in their ideal roles. Too bad we don't have a free market / free society. Which means, we will continue on nearly indefinitely. We have to wait for the US Government itself to go bust. Which, will happen - but not for a long long time. Decades and decades of decline, that's what we have to look forward to, punctuated with various wars to burn off the lower classes as cannon fodder. Welcome to Socialism. Oh well. History repeating itself. All because some people lack imagination.
It's not safe and secure. It's not reliable, efficient, functional, or cheap, either. The extra costs of the competition and duplication and diseconomies of scale and externalized factors and risk premiums doom such efforts. Market based "privatization" doesn't work, to be succinct, unless one can set up a market for the service. That's why the private companies competing to provide these services to the non-wealthy don't exist in the first place. It's why nobody, anywhere, ever, has lived in a civilization in which these services were provided by private entities to anyone but the wealthy - and in most cases, not even to them. Benjamin Franklin had plenty of imagination. He was also a capitalist entrepreneur, with a keen eye for a business opportunity and no qualms about using insider information or leveraging government contacts. Plus he knew the US geography and mail delivery system better than anyone else on the planet. He didn't even consider launching it as a private, competitive business. What do you suppose he knew that you don't? Do you suppose this is connected with your inability to recognize that Trump is reactionary, rather than progressive?
While that may seem reasonable to you, in the real world, that's not the case. In the real world, though there are inefficiencies due to duplication, these are greatly dwarfed by the inefficiencies that develop in monopolies - particularly those of public institutions. The free-market will work to reduce these inefficiencies by being innovative. The "Servants" who run public institutions on the other hand, immediately quit attempting to even provide the very service they are designed to provide, and start politicking. It's only natural. Once granted a monopoly, you can provide as shitty a service as you like - no would know better anyway. There's no standard to measure you against. As a matter of fact, the worse the service provided by the public institution becomes, the better the argument for more money and resources. And raises. And better heatlhcare. Better and longer vacations. It's win-win, well, for the Public Servant anyway. Which is why Government Schools are so poorly run relative to their Private counterparts. See, in the real world, people stop paying for the tuition at private schools if their kids can barely read and write after 12 years of education. Whereas in Government Schools - it's the norm. The standard actually. Hell, I've heard Public "Servants" suggest graduates shouldn't be required to learn to read and write - why do that when technology can read and write for them. You know, we need to "Prepare them for the 21st century!". LOL Anyway, this is neither here nor there. The Religious are never swayed by empiricism - facts or evidence are meaningless to them. They are certainly not swayed by moral arguments. The God that murdered a planet of people, is the Just God. The State the sells T-Bonds on the unborn is the Just God. Pope or POTUS, it doesn't matter to the Religious. This is what Trump supporters have to get through their heads. Trump is a Statist. The system is what it is. There isn't going to be change you can believe in until we return to 1) sound money, 2) laws that protect property and uphold contract and 3) free-trade. That is NOT happening any time too soon. Not likely to happen in most of your lifetimes. Sure, as Jill Stein suggests, there's a greater likelihood of WarHarpy starting WWIII. Okay, that's true. That's probably the single most important argument for not voting for a Warmonger. But, for the most part, BLM and From Russia With Love are simple narratives for simple people to consume (See: Grade 6 reading level America). Simple stories told to simpletons. Once the election is done, should a Harpy or a Progressive pop its head out of a hole and see it's shadow, don't expect more than that to occur. The State will return to business as usual. Which means writing more regulations to ensure what's left of the markets ends in the hands of rent-seekers through regulatory capture (you know, to keep us safe) and never ending low-level phony wars over oil. Yes, in time, Grade 6 level reading America will elect a true demagogue (probably Grade 5 level by then). My guess is, this person will return to 'The People" many of the civil liberties that have been stolen from them by the State through central banking, regulatory capture and outright illegal laws. These Natural Rights, will come at a small cost - that of suffrage. That time isn't now. Yay Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! So, assuming WarHarpy isn't actually stupid enough to start WWIII, our best option is her. She'll continue to undermine our society, and in so doing we'll all continue to become poorer. This is what we need right now. Whether you like it or not Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Oh, and if you don't like it - as iceaura and other's have suggested many times: Leave! Asia's nice Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! LOL
Which is more efficient: each family raises their own children, in individual houses, or all these children are taken and forced to live in large barracks? Which is more efficient: Winning a woman's love through years of courtship, or raping her? Which is more efficient: Constantly dealing with the turnover of employees (who need to be continuously retrained every few months) or human Slavery? Which is more efficient: years of politicking and letting Grade 6 Amoorika waddle down to the magic right-left lever, or a Dictator? I think you'll find immorality to be very reliable, quite efficient, functional and cheap. Safe and Secure too. Hell, Socialist Utopias like North Korea, Communist China and the USSR are/were very very safe places. Much safer than our shit-hole cities on a Friday or Saturday night. But, so what? It's immoral to initiate violence against morally innocent humans living within a geopolitical landmass. Be as effient, safe, secure, as you like. Take as many votes as you like. This truth isn't going to change. And get this, all available evidence thus far, suggests that prosperity (civil liberty + leisure time) is increased in societies with the freest markets / free trade / free people. Sorry, but this is what the empirical data shows to be true. Now, go ask your Public Master.... errr, "Servant" for permission to marry, or sell alcohol, or cut hair. You know, because we use the roads. LOL Land of the Fleeced Home of the Slave
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As we see with the horrible immorality of the Post Office, or the sewer system, yep. Which you have been denying, btw, and I expect you will deny again shortly. Because your idea of immorality does not extend to selling falsehoods and pushing slander and undermining political cooperation for the common good, creating misery and abetting oppression and greasing the skids into squalor and servitude - that's ok by you. Immorality begins and ends with the income tax. It's the only true and consistently derogated evil there is, in wingnut world. This is where your inability to make accurate statements about political institutions, economic or political history, and other aspects of ordinary physical reality, comes into play. You - and the rest of the T-Party crowd - are living in a fantasy world of rewritten history and ignored current circumstance and bizarre projections of junior high playground issues. And it's become a danger to your neighbors. Your wingnut fantasies have come near wrecking the place. Imagine if Trump had not been an abusive, womanizing, asshole - in public, on tape.
