Israeli right winger endorses one state solution!

Don't quote Jeremy Milgram as if he is representative of anybody, I'm not sure he's even considered a Rabbi...as in he never got shmicha from a respectable beit din. The guy's pretty much in line with Neturei Karta, which is entirely discredited by everyone Jewish. I remember Dovid Weiss speaking in Arizona as one extremely secular Jew screamed [exact quote] "The tribe of Judah hates you mother fucker" and the Orthodox nearby were inclined to agree.

This guy obviously fails to represent anything remnant of Torah values when he states The Jews who invest their hope in continued Jewish domination are betraying Jewish morality. In fact...I can't even count how many times it said "Drive out Cannanites" and "Smite them and drive them out". Read the first chapter of judges, it's all about smiting...in fact...kicking people out of Israel is practically the entire point of the book of Joshua.
 
OK is the Jewish Theological Seminary in some sort of trouble with G_d (or Israel) that they're concealing? It's hard to tell from their website, but I've seen enough that I think it's fitting that I edit the reference to reflect again that Rabbi Milgrom is a real Rabbi (in the USA and Israel).

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Rabbi Jeremy Milgrom is co-founder and co-director of Clergy for Peace, an Israeli/Palestinian interfaith initiative of Christians, Muslims, and Jews working for justice and peace in the Middle East. Rabbi Milgrom completed three years of active duty and sixteen years of reserve duty in the Israeli Army, the last eight of which were spent as a conscientious objector. He works with Rabbis for Human Rights on behalf of the Jahalin Bedouin. An American born rabbi, Jeremy Milgrom has lived in Israel since 1968. He has been involved in important initiatives in the Israeli peace camp and has been a pioneer in interfaith partnerships with Christian and Moslem Palestinians.
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Watching the R4HR video linked above, I was interested to rediscover a component of the Israeli Declaration of Independence that I had forgotten:
THE STATE OF ISRAEL will be open for Jewish immigration and for the Ingathering of the Exiles;
it will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants;
it will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel;
it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex;
it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture;
it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions;
and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.
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Things were taking a wrong turn even while this was drafted, but a lot of the above can serve as a firm foundation for a de-segregated single-state resolution of the "Arab-Israeli" conflict. It seems well worth a sincere try to me: Especially now that the Ingathering of Exiles has been such a success (for Jewish ones anyway) why shouldn't the builders of a more secure Israel apply themselves to this list with equal dedication?
 
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hypewaders said:
OK is the Jewish Theological Seminary in some sort of trouble with G_d (or Israel) that they're concealing? It's hard to tell from their website, but I've seen enough that I think it's fitting that I edit the reference to reflect again that Rabbi Milgrom is a real Rabbi (in the USA and Israel).


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Conservative American Judaism is equivalent to Reform European Judaism is equivalent to Masorti Israeli Judaism....but not Daati Leumi.

Did you know a some Conservative Jewish synagogues preach that there is no God?
 
CheskiChips said:
Did you know a some Conservative Jewish synagogues preach that there is no God?
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I don't think it's topical here, or that this has much to do with Rabbi Milgrom- But yes, I'll accept your assertion that rabbis can be atheists, or even a Kook. There's a lot of differing dati frum the internets, but I don't see the clear relevance of this to one-state integration of Israel (other than that the most rabid Zionist and Judeophobic/anti-semitic fringes will always hate it).

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This guy obviously fails to represent anything remnant of Torah values when he states The Jews who invest their hope in continued Jewish domination are betraying Jewish morality.
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Maybe we can stay topical, even while you teach the Torah, and explain that one. I'm no Biblical scholar, but to claim Jewish domination as Jewish morality is quite something for you to claim as Torah truth. Please "enlighten" us with the basis of that (the converse of your quote in bold above).
 
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Things were taking a wrong turn even while this was drafted, but a lot of the above can serve as a firm foundation for a de-segregated single-state resolution of the "Arab-Israeli" conflict.
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This assumes that a single state would remain desegregated, which is not particularly likely.
 
I know it isn't exactly Torah, but as they say, "if at first you don't succeed... don't barricade yourself in and quit." A lot of modern nations have abolished segregation. What's keeping Israelis from respecting their Declaration of Independence?
 
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I know it isn't exactly Torah, but as they say, "if at first you don't succeed... don't barricade yourself in and quit."
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Actually, they do say that: but this isn't exactly the first attempt either.

If you can get the Pat Robertson....or Jim Phelps...out of religion and politics and religiopolitics in the countries of the Middle East, then maybe.
 
They are the only 2 religious nuts left over there? Huzzah! -& I never knew they were so powerful (Rev. Pat did con my poor Kentucky Grandma out of a lot of money she couldn't afford to give him, come to think of it).

OK I know what you mean, and yes, I think it could be done (back to the DoI above).
 
The point is you're presenting three men as if they represent Israeli mindset. Israel wants a one state solution; the Palestinians to move out. However, most Israelis would settle for a 2-state solution...the issue is who gets what. That in consideration...almost NO ONE wants a 1 state solution where it's not "Israel, the Jewish state". Listen to HaTikva...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjfFpFW9OdA

"As long as the heart within is a Jewish soul yearning...an eye towards tzion...the hope of 2 thousand years longing to be a free nation in our own land, the land of tzion and Jerusalem, to be a free nation in our own land"

And yet you're convinced by an amateur blogger that because a self-proclaimed anti-Israeli rabbi, a liberal hilonim, and a dati leumi met to discuss a one-state secular soltuon that it's somehow the opinion of even a moderate minority of Israel.

How about...YOU get on track, or at least with the program.
 
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I'm no Biblical scholar, but to claim Jewish domination as Jewish morality is quite something for you to claim as Torah truth.
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One need only possess eyes and ears to observe the innate urge to Violent Domination that is at the Core of Jewishness. To suggest that this is anything but obvious is Mossad hasbara to demean the Palestinian Genocide and so advance the Rapacious Apartheid Entity. You'll burn in hell with Hitler and all the other Zionists for your callous embrace of Racist Infanticide.
 
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One need only possess eyes and ears to observe the innate urge to Violent Domination that is at the Core of Jewishness. To suggest that this is anything but obvious is Mossad hasbara to demean the Palestinian Genocide and so advance the Rapacious Apartheid Entity. You'll burn in hell with Hitler and all the other Zionists for your callous embrace of Racist Infanticide.
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I'm a fat kid who always wants an ice cream cone.
 
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True we all know at this point and time a one state solution is a long way off, but as those settlements in the west bank get bigger and bigger a one state solution is going to become more and more the practical reality, at least for the west bank, Gaza and clearly be left to fend for it self.
 
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The point is you're presenting three men as if they represent Israeli mindset. Israel wants a one state solution; the Palestinians to move out. However, most Israelis would settle for a 2-state solution...the issue is who gets what. That in consideration...almost NO ONE wants a 1 state solution where it's not "Israel, the Jewish state". Listen to HaTikva...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjfFpFW9OdA

"As long as the heart within is a Jewish soul yearning...an eye towards tzion...the hope of 2 thousand years longing to be a free nation in our own land, the land of tzion and Jerusalem, to be a free nation in our own land"

And yet you're convinced by an amateur blogger that because a self-proclaimed anti-Israeli rabbi, a liberal hilonim, and a dati leumi met to discuss a one-state secular soltuon that it's somehow the opinion of even a moderate minority of Israel.

How about...YOU get on track, or at least with the program.
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so you finally admit the crux of it. the zionist/Israelis/JEwish nation doesn't want to share. they want to ethnicly cleanse palestinian of its rightful owners.
 
quadraphonics said:
One need only possess eyes and ears to observe the innate urge to Violent Domination that is at the Core of Jewishness. To suggest that this is anything but obvious is Mossad hasbara to demean the Palestinian Genocide and so advance the Rapacious Apartheid Entity. You'll burn in hell with Hitler and all the other Zionists for your callous embrace of Racist Infanticide.
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while that is bigotrd in the extreme their is some element of truth to it. how else can you reconcile the fact the the jews were native to palestine in antiquity but invented and invasion myth with themselves as conquerering heroes.
 
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the zionist/Israelis/JEwish nation doesn't want to share. they want to ethnicly cleanse palestinian of its rightful owners.
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Zionist Dogs will go to any length to downplay this obvious fact, at the behest of their Mossad/CIA masters. Their weak, lying "morality" is no impediment to The Righteous.

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while that ius bigotrd in the extreme their is some element of truth to it.
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There is no bigotry involved in observation of plane fact. It is incumbent upon The Just to reject the vile strictures of Political Correctness: they are simply another tool that the Imperialist Nazis employ to avoid The Truth and brainwash the sheeple into defending the indefensible Persecution of the Innocent. Anyone who dares speak the Truth about the Jews and their program of Satanic Racial Annihilation is relentlessly persecuted by the corrupt Nazi authorities, all while they lie through their blood-stained teeth about "free speech" and "human rights." The Righteous fear neither these snivelling bureaocrats nor the bullets and missiles of The Prime Aggressor.

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how else can you reconcile the fact the the jews were native to palestine in antiquity but invented and invasion myth with themselves as conquerering heroes.
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More disgusting hasbara. Palestine has always belonged to the Palestinians, and no others. The Jews have always coveted their lands and so find any excuse to invade and destroy the Innocent Children of Palestine. You must purify yourself of these Mossad delusions if you wish to be anything more than an unwitting tool of the Nazi Apartheid Forces.
 
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Zionist Dogs will go to any length to downplay this obvious fact, at the behest of their Mossad/CIA masters. Their weak, lying "morality" is no impediment to The Righteous.



There is no bigotry involved in observation of plane fact. It is incumbent upon The Just to reject the vile strictures of Political Correctness: they are simply another tool that the Imperialist Nazis employ to avoid The Truth and brainwash the sheeple into defending the indefensible Persecution of the Innocent. Anyone who dares speak the Truth about the Jews and their program of Satanic Racial Annihilation is relentlessly persecuted by the corrupt Nazi authorities, all while they lie through their blood-stained teeth about "free speech" and "human rights." The Righteous fear neither these snivelling bureaocrats nor the bullets and missiles of The Prime Aggressor.



More disgusting hasbara. Palestine has always belonged to the Palestinians, and no others. The Jews have always coveted their lands and so find any excuse to invade and destroy the Innocent Children of Palestine. You must purify yourself of these Mossad delusions if you wish to be anything more than an unwitting tool of the Nazi Apartheid Forces.
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Heh.
 
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