Gas Passes $4.50/gallon

Agreed. The US education system is jacked up. It's one of the FEW areas I believe in centralized planning of something on the Federal level. Local control has given us: merde. The French, Germans, Dutch, and Japanese all centrally plan their education systems, have standardized testing, and all the schools have the exact same books, and curriculum across the entire country. Currently, they score better than American students across the board. Works for them... works for me.

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Most libs will tell you we "went to Iraq for the oil." I heard it ad nauseum on Stuart Smalley's show, Mikey Moron's hype, and from all your other hero traitors.
I read it on every lib forum I visit. I hear it from every lib I know. I see it on CNN.
It's really old and stupid. Because it's not true. It never was.

Wrong, when Neocons went to War to control the oil supply. Chevorn, Shell, etc, have all enjoyed record setting quartely profits. If you ever want to know who's responsible for any war or murder, just look at who benefits the most;)
 
I never thought I would complain but this is getting ridiculous. $4.55/gallon in SanFran.
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I thought the libs said gas would be cheaper because "we went to Iraq for the oil" :confused: :rolleyes:

p.s. I searched for an existing thread and couldn't find one. If there is one please move this.:)

What's the contradiction?

They did go for the oil, which is conveniently reduced in production, thus raising the price, thus raising the profits for Exxon mobile, Chevron, etc...

Once production sharing agreements are in place, they can control the flow of oil at will. If they manipulate the price carefully, they can ensure profits far into the future, or as long as the reserves last.

Oh, I almost forgot to add, the Republicans get all those political donations from the oil companies, and the cycle continues, isn't it beautiful?
 
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because the oil lobby hasnt cornered that market yet.
just wait, you will see an exxon electric car, mark my words.

The alternate theory is that the oil companies already have that market cornered, and are sitting on the inventions. They'll start selling them once there's no oil left.
 
North Slope - Alaska
Gulf Coast - Texas/Louisianna

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Despite very heavy lobbying from Alaskans, and republican control of both houses for 12 years, ANWR stays ANWR because the gas companies aren't that interested in developing. They honestly don't think it's worth the investment.
 
Nope its not; its the single most important reason the US will not start a war with any neighbors close enough to jump fences.

The US went to war with Spain, who had colonies next door, and with Mexico, because we wanted the rest of Texas. We also fought Canada in the war of 1812.
 
The US went to war with Spain, who had colonies next door, and with Mexico, because we wanted the rest of Texas. We also fought Canada in the war of 1812.

Lots of refugee problems in 1812?
 
Despite very heavy lobbying from Alaskans, and republican control of both houses for 12 years, ANWR stays ANWR because the gas companies aren't that interested in developing. They honestly don't think it's worth the investment.

You're not serious, are you? The entire state of Alaska numerous national and international corporations have been petitioning Congress since the seventies to open up the reserves... but, alas, they've been stopped every time by the Democrats.
 
Lots of refugee problems in 1812?

Huh?

You're not serious, are you? The entire state of Alaska numerous national and international corporations have been petitioning Congress since the seventies to open up the reserves... but, alas, they've been stopped every time by the Democrats.

Yeah, I am. For the past 6 years there has been nothing in the way of Bush opening ANWR. Nothing. If the oil companies really wanted it open, it would have been opened.
 
Yeah, I am. For the past 6 years there has been nothing in the way of Bush opening ANWR. Nothing. If the oil companies really wanted it open, it would have been opened.

There has been nothing in the way of opening it up?

John Kerry et al have threatened to filibuster any attempt to pass legislation that could open it up. The president can't do so with out congressional approval. Republicans have been beating the ANWR drum for 20+ years and Democrats have consistently opposed any measure to do so.

When the Bush administration (yeah, big oil controlled) said that it wanted to open up ANWR, numerous oil companies started investing millions in preperation, but when the momentum failed under Democratic pressure, they started pulling out.

Your claims that they pulled out because it wouldn't be worth it are specious at best. "BIG [bad] OIL" has been drooling for years at getting its hands on ANWR... I suggest going a little reasearch on the issue. How about... start with the sites owned and run by said oil companies, for example. I'm not saying you should buy into the whole thing because THEY want it... but starting with them is a good idea before claiming you know what they want. And the millions they've spend lobying Congress says, clearly, they want to start drilling in ANWR.

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From the Heritage Foundation:
Objections to drilling in ANWR, mostly from environmentalists, have stymied efforts to open up the refuge ever since a 1980 change in federal law allowed for oil and gas exploration there. At the time, Alaskans were under the impression that production would start soon. Sen. Ted Stevens (R-AK), who recently toured the remote North Alaska site, said that for “24 years I’ve argued to get Congress to keep its word to us.”

Over the last four years, the only holdup has been in the Senate. The most recent version of the Senate energy bill, which fell two votes shy of breaking a Democratic filibuster, did not even contain ANWR provisions. The Senate had voted 52-48 to keep ANWR out of the bill entirely.

ANWR’s prospects in the Senate now look considerably brighter. Though still unlikely to survive a filibuster, ANWR could probably pass a simple majority vote. The Senate’s budget resolution may accomplish this. It includes expected federal revenues from oil leases in ANWR, estimated to bring in about $2.7 billion dollars, and a provision to lift the current restrictions on drilling. ANWR’s opponents tried to strip these provisions from the budget but failed in at 51-49 vote on Wednesday. Because the budget cannot be filibustered, that was their final chance. A vote on the whole budget could come later in the week.

From ANWR.org:
Anchorage, Alaska - Sen. Ted Stevens has a new strategy for opening up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil exploration.

At a news conference this afternoon here in Anchorage, Stevens said he wants to make ANWR part of the nation's Strategic Petroleum Reserve.

Democrats have blocked oil drilling in ANWR for years, but Stevens says it only makes sense to tap the area's vast reserves for the nation's emergency energy supply.

"I think it is in the national interest to be able to produce from ANWR, and certainly, by the time we could get it ready to produce it would be a ready reserve," said Stevens, R-Alaska.

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52-48, that's really close. The oil companies couldn't afford two more votes? Yeah, right. It's just that, after 20 years of battles, and losing after having republican control of almost every branch of government, the oil companies are going to cut their losses. Why bother lobbying at the Capitol, when it's working so much better at the pump?

I've grown up with Alaskan politics. It's controlled on virtually every level beyond the municipal election. You won't go far without a pro-oil stance, especially since every Alaskan resident is entitled to a check of ~$800-1000 every year, cut from the oil revenues.
 
The point is, I'm not trying to state that we should drill in ANWR (which I believe we should), the point I was making is that Bush can't just "order" the drilling as you implied. It's a congressional issue. And, don't fool yourself into believing that all votes are bought. The Dems have long stood shoulder to shoulder against ANWR drilling, NO MATTER how much oil contained therein.

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Most libs will tell you we "went to Iraq for the oil." I heard it ad nauseum on Stuart Smalley's show, Mikey Moron's hype, and from all your other hero traitors.
I read it on every lib forum I visit. I hear it from every lib I know. I see it on CNN.
It's really old and stupid. Because it's not true. It never was.
You are making an illogical argument, which is, oil is now expensive ergo we didn't go to war for oil. As soon as you agree the war is being lost, now the logic returns.

We went to war against Iraq to secure Iraqi oil
We are losing the War.
Oil is now expensive.


Very simple really, I am sure now you can see your mistake.



Not that it matters as Cheney's Halliburton (now sitting over in UAE) is rich and getting very very much richer. Could it have been any better for them? They get sweet no-bid Neo-crony military contracts (we continue to lose the war so these contracts continue to get renewed) and to top it off the price of their other product, oil, goes sky-high. They are rolling in it.


Neo-con Chickhawks like Bush and Cheney remind me of those stuffy Englishmen that went to war against the Americans - all powdered up and prancing about in their little red bow ties. They really have no idea what war is because of the lot of them, no one has ever been in a war. Even chicken shit Junior got out of going to Vietnam and instead sat around and dropped acid while simultaneously running each company his daddy gave him into the ground. Why would anyone suspect these guys could conduct a proper war?


Now that we've satisfied your question, I have a question:
If profits are the bottom line, and the only bottom line, then which is a better situation for Cheney's Halliburton: Oil prices go up or go down?

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Wrong, when Neocons went to War to control the oil supply. Chevorn, Shell, etc, have all enjoyed record setting quartely profits. If you ever want to know who's responsible for any war or murder, just look at who benefits the most;)


Its unbelievable that people are so calm and cool about the issue :shrug:

Its their tax money that were used to make those illuminatis richer, but look at them.

They never ask themselves , why is oil expensive, and since there is shortage, where in the world are cars standstill due to lack of oil.
 
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