Just as my screen name implies, I've been just pretty much reading all the threads (except for topics that don't interest me) for a little over three months now.

Egad! What a strange, sometimes entertaining, sometimes depressing place these forums are!:) :( For a place that's supposedly dedicated to science, judging by it's name, it probably contains less science (and more BAD science) than the majority of places I've visited on the web.

Another very unusual feature here is that it seems to consist of an exceptionally high number of purely uneducated people. Probably the highest number per square centimeter of screen space in all of cyberspace. Thankfully, there are also a few highly intelligent posters and a moderate number of plain, average people. But to see so many simple dolts in just one place is what's so depressing.

I'm talking about several individuals and I've also read enough to see that it's not considered good form to name names. But I'm sure you already know who they are anyway, right?

It would appear that besides the know-nothings that think that somehow they've managed to figure out just how WRONG professional scientists are (like the one who proclaimed that black holes cannot exist, another that insisted the surface of Earth is warmed by heat leaking upward from the core rather than the Sun, another - who claimed to be privately tutored by a high-ranking military officer - that the core of the Earth is practically at absolute zero(!), there's one that stands out as being the absolute worst, and dumbest, of all. And he interjects himself into practically every real scientific discussion with his innate stupidity.

Who is he? Well, I've seen him all over the place. At one point he readily admits to having been bullied in school. And he wasn't even smart enough to realize that it was he himself, and his attitude, that attracted the bullies. Even the kids that would never dream of picking on someone cannot resist having a go at someone who tries to claim he's intelligent when he really isn't and makes himself stick out like a sore thumb by constantly whining just as he does here.

In one thread, he tried to claim that heat pumps could not work because they violated the second law of thermodynamics. (Never mind that there are millions of them working just fine the world over.) And two rather patient people tried at great lengths to explain to him the principles involved. One became rather disgusted with the idiot because once something was made clear he would then try to claim that he knew it all along! Wow, just how dumb can you make yourself look? And all the time still trying to claim that they STILL simply could not work. Amazing.

He also regularly accuses the moderators of deleting his threads, of moving valid (actually garbage) threads to the Cesspool, claiming they are on the payroll of 'someone?' and the like.

His latest big adventure was claiming that AIDS is not caused by HIV. He also says it's a myth created by the major drug makers so that they can continue to sell their "poison" and make tremendous profits from AIDS. Of course, he chooses to ignore the literal mountains of data and research that clearly proves him wrong. And besides that, the poor fool doesn't even seem to realize that practically all of that research and data collection was done by groups and agencies with absolutely no connection to the drug companies. Truly sad individual, this guy. I'm afraid that if he lived next door to me his paranoia would be true. Because I'd be trying to find a safe (meaning not getting caught) way to end his miserable existence.

Don't be concerned that I might become a regular poster here, because I won't. There's only a few - maybe eight or ten, at the most - people I'd be interested in interacting with. And the experience would be ruined because the woo-woos (a term I learned here) would insist on getting involved. I'd spend more time updating my ignore list than I would in actual conversations. No thanks, very little. So, back to just reading again and finding the 3% of real science presented here.

unusual and depressing...... yes

From my observations people who are stuck-up are more often bullied than those who simply express thoughts that others may not agree with.

Don't be concerned that I might become a regular poster here, because I won't. I'm not entirely sure why having someone as a member who can string sentences together in a comprehensible fashion should be a concern. Indeed, the fact that you think it may be a concern is itself quite concerning. :eek:
There's only a few - maybe eight or ten, at the most - people I'd be interested in interacting with. A simple experiment will reveal if I am one of the eight or ten. The experiment is now in motion.
So, back to just reading again and finding the 3% of real science presented here.I have never perceived the forums as a place to find real science. A forum is, after all, a place where discussion takes place. In constructing a reply, as part of a discussion, I am forced to consider my position, perhaps carry out some library research, and generally improve my state of knowledge, or clarity of beliefs. These are the positive elements of sciforums, from my perspective. By restricting yourself to a read-only position I think you are missing the greater part of their value.

I'm not entirely sure why having someone as a member who can string sentences together in a comprehensible fashion should be a concern. Indeed, the fact that you think it may be a concern is itself quite concerning.

Thank you, I take that as a rather nice compliment.:) Don't be concerned, I simply prefer to avoid the abuse that genuine scientists attract here. (Yes, I am one and have a very solid background of 30 years but I'd rather not even mention my specialty due to likely garnering said responses.)

A simple experiment will reveal if I am one of the eight or ten. The experiment is now in motion.

This is actually the part that motivated me to respond.;) You might (or might not):D be surprised to know that in fact you ARE not only on that short list but at the very top. It's not difficult at all to tell the genuine personalities and professionalism here. Separating the wheat from the chaff, as it were.

I have never perceived the forums as a place to find real science. A forum is, after all, a place where discussion takes place. In constructing a reply, as part of a discussion, I am forced to consider my position, perhaps carry out some library research, and generally improve my state of knowledge, or clarity of beliefs. These are the positive elements of sciforums, from my perspective. By restricting yourself to a read-only position I think you are missing the greater part of their value.

And I agree completely! In fact, I'm not only a regular contributor on another forum, I was also a moderator there for years before becoming one of the two administrators about a year ago. Unlike this site, the people there are very knowledgeable in what they discuss and the "woo-woos", as they are called here, never stay around for more than a day or two. So I have a place that's filled with respectable people where we can discuss any topic in a relaxed atmosphere without being bothered by those with scrambled eggs for brains. It's just when things slow down there that I come here and walk through the threads.

I won't mention the name of the site or the URL because that would probably be considered spamming - and I don't want to draw fire for that, either.

I'm not entirely sure why having someone as a member who can string sentences together in a comprehensible fashion should be a concern. Indeed, the fact that you think it may be a concern is itself quite concerning.

Thank you, I take that as a rather nice compliment.:) Don't be concerned, I simply prefer to avoid the abuse that genuine scientists attract here. (Yes, I am one and have a very solid background of 30 years but I'd rather not even mention my specialty due to likely garnering said responses.)

A simple experiment will reveal if I am one of the eight or ten. The experiment is now in motion.

This is actually the part that motivated me to respond.;) You might (or might not):D be surprised to know that in fact you ARE not only on that short list but at the very top. It's not difficult at all to tell the genuine personalities and professionalism here. Separating the wheat from the chaff, as it were.

I have never perceived the forums as a place to find real science. A forum is, after all, a place where discussion takes place. In constructing a reply, as part of a discussion, I am forced to consider my position, perhaps carry out some library research, and generally improve my state of knowledge, or clarity of beliefs. These are the positive elements of sciforums, from my perspective. By restricting yourself to a read-only position I think you are missing the greater part of their value.

And I agree completely! In fact, I'm not only a regular contributor on another forum, I was also a moderator there for years before becoming one of the two administrators about a year ago. Unlike this site, the people there are very knowledgeable in what they discuss and the "woo-woos", as they are called here, never stay around for more than a day or two. So I have a place that's filled with respectable people where we can discuss any topic in a relaxed atmosphere without being bothered by those with scrambled eggs for brains. It's just when things slow down there that I come here and walk through the threads.

I won't mention the name of the site or the URL because that would probably be considered spamming - and I don't want to draw fire for that, either.

Welcome to sciforums!:)

Glad to hear that something here keeps you coming back, Read-Only. :)

another one of those ctrl c and ctrl v the big stories thing.

This is actually the part that motivated me to respond. You might (or might not) be surprised to know that in fact you ARE not only on that short list but at the very top. It's not difficult at all to tell the genuine personalities and professionalism here. Separating the wheat from the chaff, as it were.

Am I one of 'em:p , you made a good thread.

You came all this way just for little old me? I am so fucking flattered. Grow up, noid.

Read-Only, I need to know...

Am I one of the dumbasses? I feel that I might be.

I think the fact that I'm not sure just confirms it for me.

Please let me know as soon as possible. Thanks.

Read-only,

Take a look at the numder of ads on this forum and that should tell you why us dimwits are allowed to stick around. I for one am glad to have a place to discuss a variety of topics without someome being condesending and arrogant. If I were a "scientist", I would go to the forums where my superiors were in hopes of furthering my knowledge. But then It sounds like you already know it all, so you prefer to come here and put down most of the people. Or do you just like to pick arguments. Some people seem to find fun in that. Don't worry about puting me on an ignore list because I won't waste anymore time reading your posts.

Once you have a higher number of posts, the ads disappear.

Once you can see the logic of life, the Gods disappear.

Once you have a higher number of posts, the ads disappear.

Thanks for the info James. I try not to post unless I have something to ad to the discussion. Read only came across as arrogant and that just rubs me the wrong way.

Thanks for the info James. I try not to post unless I have something to ad to the discussion. Read only came across as arrogant and that just rubs me the wrong way.

ad or add?

Bc...generally ads are not likened here.

Once you can see the logic of life, the Gods disappear.

Dragon,

If your assuming that I am of the religous type you are dead wrong. I've never accepted any fairytales as real as long as I can remember. You should not assume that because I dislike some people who call themselves scientist, that I don't have a deep respect for science. I've followed man's quest to understand the universe for more than 40 years. While I'm begining to doubt if man can develope a theory of everything, that doesn't stop me from cheering him on.

Dragon,

If your assuming that I am of the religous type you are dead wrong. I've never accepted any fairytales as real as long as I can remember. You should not assume that because I dislike some people who call themselves scientist, that I don't have a deep respect for science. I've followed man's quest to understand the universe for more than 40 years. While I'm begining to doubt if man can develope a theory of everything, that doesn't stop me from cheering him on.

funny...I though I replied to James R. Of course this world exists for everyone to believe what they want so that all is as it is supposed to be.

funny...I though I replied to James R. Of course this world exists for everyone to believe what they want so that all is as it is supposed to be.

You "though" you replied to James R. Sorry Dragon but turnabout is fair play.

unusual and depressing...... yes

Billions of dollars are made by corporate interests in AIDS. That is why someone felt that I was important enough to come to this forum to try to destroy my credibility, in a forum where my credibility was already shaky, no less. Their methods are not very intelligent.

Now two new people have come in with this "diss Metakron" think going. What the hell? They're not a conspiracy, they just want it to look like a conspiracy so that Metakron will start shouting about conspiracies... People who fall for this cannot sort out simple cognitive dissonance, like running across two plus two equals five. A lot of people here can't or won't see the elephant in the room. What does it do for them except to perpetuate a cycle of abuse?

I hear that ReadOnly is an expert in autofellatio.

Just as my screen name implies, I've been just pretty much reading all the threads (except for topics that don't interest me) for a little over three months now.Yet after all that lurking you didn't figure out that a thread like this belongs in Free Thoughts and not Science? :)Another very unusual feature here is that it seems to consist of an exceptionally high number of purely uneducated people. Probably the highest number per square centimeter of screen space in all of cyberspace. Thankfully, there are also a few highly intelligent posters and a moderate number of plain, average people. But to see so many simple dolts in just one place is what's so depressing.Interesting that you don't see it as a healthy sign of tolerance.I'm talking about several individuals and I've also read enough to see that it's not considered good form to name names. But I'm sure you already know who they are anyway, right?Interestingly we don't seem to agree on who the dolts are. There are a couple of people who are routinely scoffed at whom I see as the loyal opposition.It would appear that besides the know-nothings that think that somehow they've managed to figure out just how WRONG professional scientists are (like the one who proclaimed that black holes cannot exist, another that insisted the surface of Earth is warmed by heat leaking upward from the core rather than the Sun, another - who claimed to be privately tutored by a high-ranking military officer - that the core of the Earth is practically at absolute zero(!), there's one that stands out as being the absolute worst, and dumbest, of all. And he interjects himself into practically every real scientific discussion with his innate stupidity.Another thing you seem not to have learned during your lurking is that the average age here is something like 16. A lot of these people you're talking about are children. I think it's impressive that they can formulate these positions and argue them with at least a modicum of rationality. Give them a few more years of education and see how they think.Don't be concerned that I might become a regular poster here, because I won't.You write well so you'll be missed. There's only a few - maybe eight or ten, at the most - people I'd be interested in interacting with.You might consider using your knowledge, reason, and communication skill to help these kids grow up into real scientists. Be an "elder" as it were.And the experience would be ruined because the woo-woos (a term I learned here) would insist on getting involved. I'd spend more time updating my ignore list than I would in actual conversations.Come to my forum (Linguistics). I try to keep them in line. That's a strange use of the term "woo-woo." I've always heard it to mean a belief in the paranormal, not a person. Those guys have their own forum although some days it feels like they have their own planet and I crash landed on it.

Read-only,
Take a look at the numder of ads on this forum and that should tell you why us dimwits are allowed to stick around. I for one am glad to have a place to discuss a variety of topics without someome being condesending and arrogant. If I were a "scientist", I would go to the forums where my superiors were in hopes of furthering my knowledge. But then It sounds like you already know it all, so you prefer to come here and put down most of the people. Or do you just like to pick arguments. Some people seem to find fun in that. Don't worry about puting me on an ignore list because I won't waste anymore time reading your posts.Wilgory, I found your post puzzling. You appear to be a literate and thoughful person, yet are unable to perceive these same attributes in Read-Only. His criticsims of many of the participants in these forums are spot on. Nowhere does he state, nor in my opinion imply, that he 'knows it all'. What he does do is declare that several people on the forum do act as if they know it all when they very obviously don't. Surely this is a positive thing to say.

Some people do indeed like to pick arguments and do enjoy that activity. On the face of it you appear to fit this mould more closely than Read-Only. I hope I am wrong.

For a place that's supposedly dedicated to science, judging by it's name, it probably contains less science (and more BAD science) than the majority of places I've visited on the web.

Yes. The problem is that people who don't know science may actually pick something up here! Then they vote and raise childeren. Ugh.

Yes, I am one and have a very solid background of 30 years but I'd rather not even mention my specialty due to likely garnering said responses.

I wish I had your restraint:) This is a lesson I have yet to learn. Instead of learning about conformal field theories or something useful, I get myself into explaining the Lorentz Group to people who think they know more than Einstein:)

Against stupidity the very gods themselves contend in vain.

Wilgory, I found your post puzzling. You appear to be a literate and thoughful person, yet are unable to perceive these same attributes in Read-Only. His criticsims of many of the participants in these forums are spot on. Nowhere does he state, nor in my opinion imply, that he 'knows it all'. What he does do is declare that several people on the forum do act as if they know it all when they very obviously don't. Surely this is a positive thing to say.

Some people do indeed like to pick arguments and do enjoy that activity. On the face of it you appear to fit this mould more closely than Read-Only. I hope I am wrong.

I haven't the knowledge to pick arguments with those who have a higher education. I said that I would not read anymore of Read-only's posts so I don't see how I could argue with him. It just seems to me,with the amount of his post that he refered to himself, that he was full of himself.

Comments like "plain average people" and there's only a few people that he would be interested in interacting with, I take as looking down on us "plain average people".

After,on other forums, having been ignored and considered a "crackpot" when only asking questions and stating that's all I was doing. I was pleased to find a place that is tolerant of "plain average people".

Something tells me that Read-only's attitude has something to do with, those of lesser knowledge, not sticking around on the forum that he was a moderator for.

After having posted my previous reply, I felt that it was not necessary and regretted having done so.

Yes. The problem is that people who don't know science may actually pick something up here! Then they vote and raise childeren. Ugh.


All the more reason for the voice of reason to speak up.

Yawn. Either he'll stick around or he won't. If he does: that's lovely. And if he doesn't: that's equally lovely.

Who cares?

Our Leader who Has Fled From Us has spoken on this delicate Topic and Hence we Share his Opinion as has Been Written Down in the REDARMY DIKTAT MANIFEST!

Wilgory, thank you for taking the time to reply. i understand your position a little better now. I still think you are mistaken, but I respect your reasoning.

Yet after all that lurking you didn't figure out that a thread like this belongs in Free Thoughts and not Science?

Hello, Fraggle,

Actually, I debated that very thing for a moment.:) But since it was primarily concerned with those who spread ANTI-science, I finally decided on this category.

Interesting that you don't see it as a healthy sign of tolerance.

I'm not intolerant at all toward ignorance, we all began knowing nothing. It's sheer stupidity that I'm not the least tolerant of. Perhaps that will become more clear in just another line or two.

Interestingly we don't seem to agree on who the dolts are. There are a couple of people who are routinely scoffed at whom I see as the loyal opposition.

No problem there, it's simply a matter of our tastes in individuals. But as far as 'loyal opposition' goes, opposition to what? Good science? Sorry, while I think that questioning things is a very good thing, sneering at anything supported by mountains of hard data is like lighting a candle in a hurricane. Only fools would expect it to work.

Another thing you seem not to have learned during your lurking is that the average age here is something like 16. A lot of these people you're talking about are children. I think it's impressive that they can formulate these positions and argue them with at least a modicum of rationality.

It's rather interesting that you should mention this. I've spent a fair amount of time as a teacher and both the students and I enjoyed it. And I have no problems with children, especially after having raised several of my own and now having a handful of grandchildren. I truly enjoy watching (and helping) them learn and grow.

But here's where I do have a problem with them - or anyone of any age, for that matter: when they begin making statements rather than asking questions. Pardon me for being just bit blunt here but I would happily assist anyone who actually wants to learn. However, more than 85% of what I see here is people arguing just for the sake of arguing. Excuse me - go down the South main hallway and in the 8th door on the left. That's the debating classroom.;)

Give them a few more years of education and see how they think.

I'll give them all the time they want/need. While indeed that will produce results in the HUGE majority of them, just be aware of a famous (infamous?) poster that reads, "Ignorance can be fixed, stupid is forever." The guy on the anti-HIV/AIDS campaign fits that prediction all too nicely, I'm afraid. (And as a side note, he's already appeared in this thread and made a couple of attempts to goad me. The poor, weak-minded individual doesn't seem to realize that there's nothing he can possibly do to entice me to engage him. See just how hopeless his case is?)

You write well so you'll be missed.You might consider using your knowledge, reason, and communication skill to help these kids grow up into real scientists. Be an "elder" as it were.

Thank you, it's very kind of you to say that.:) Indeed, I may well accept that gentle offer sometime in the future when I (hopefully) have more time to devote to it. Information flows best that flows frequently rather than having long periods of interruptions.

Come to my forum (Linguistics). I try to keep them in line.

Another very kind offer - I shall consider it.

That's a strange use of the term "woo-woo." I've always heard it to mean a belief in the paranormal, not a person. Those guys have their own forum although some days it feels like they have their own planet and I crash landed on it.

Sorry if I've misapplied the term. I do understand the usage as you state it but I also think I've seen it applied to those who reject scientific principles in favor of some other 'alternate' viewpoint. Point being, also those who firmly believe in pseudo-science. Is that not correct?

Just as my screen name implies, I've been just pretty much reading all the threads (except for topics that don't interest me) for a little over three months now.

Egad! What a strange, sometimes entertaining, sometimes depressing place these forums are!:) :( For a place that's supposedly dedicated to science, judging by it's name, it probably contains less science (and more BAD science) than the majority of places I've visited on the web.

Another very unusual feature here is that it seems to consist of an exceptionally high number of purely uneducated people. Probably the highest number per square centimeter of screen space in all of cyberspace. Thankfully, there are also a few highly intelligent posters and a moderate number of plain, average people. But to see so many simple dolts in just one place is what's so depressing.

I'm talking about several individuals and I've also read enough to see that it's not considered good form to name names. But I'm sure you already know who they are anyway, right?

It would appear that besides the know-nothings that think that somehow they've managed to figure out just how WRONG professional scientists are (like the one who proclaimed that black holes cannot exist, another that insisted the surface of Earth is warmed by heat leaking upward from the core rather than the Sun, another - who claimed to be privately tutored by a high-ranking military officer - that the core of the Earth is practically at absolute zero(!), there's one that stands out as being the absolute worst, and dumbest, of all. And he interjects himself into practically every real scientific discussion with his innate stupidity.

Who is he? Well, I've seen him all over the place. At one point he readily admits to having been bullied in school. And he wasn't even smart enough to realize that it was he himself, and his attitude, that attracted the bullies. Even the kids that would never dream of picking on someone cannot resist having a go at someone who tries to claim he's intelligent when he really isn't and makes himself stick out like a sore thumb by constantly whining just as he does here.

In one thread, he tried to claim that heat pumps could not work because they violated the second law of thermodynamics. (Never mind that there are millions of them working just fine the world over.) And two rather patient people tried at great lengths to explain to him the principles involved. One became rather disgusted with the idiot because once something was made clear he would then try to claim that he knew it all along! Wow, just how dumb can you make yourself look? And all the time still trying to claim that they STILL simply could not work. Amazing.

He also regularly accuses the moderators of deleting his threads, of moving valid (actually garbage) threads to the Cesspool, claiming they are on the payroll of 'someone?' and the like.

His latest big adventure was claiming that AIDS is not caused by HIV. He also says it's a myth created by the major drug makers so that they can continue to sell their "poison" and make tremendous profits from AIDS. Of course, he chooses to ignore the literal mountains of data and research that clearly proves him wrong. And besides that, the poor fool doesn't even seem to realize that practically all of that research and data collection was done by groups and agencies with absolutely no connection to the drug companies. Truly sad individual, this guy. I'm afraid that if he lived next door to me his paranoia would be true. Because I'd be trying to find a safe (meaning not getting caught) way to end his miserable existence.

Don't be concerned that I might become a regular poster here, because I won't. There's only a few - maybe eight or ten, at the most - people I'd be interested in interacting with. And the experience would be ruined because the woo-woos (a term I learned here) would insist on getting involved. I'd spend more time updating my ignore list than I would in actual conversations. No thanks, very little. So, back to just reading again and finding the 3% of real science presented here.

Quoting this largely so that you can't edit it out.

Sometimes stupid rhetoric like this just goes right past me or I would have been on you like an acid bath. You complete and utter son of a bitch. You have made this an unambiguous threat against my life. You should be named and publicly shamed. Then you have the gall to talk about me "whining" about being bullied.

It is true that AIDS dissidents are often victimized in forums like this. More often the bullies such as yourself manage to stay within bounds more or less and this gets written off as heated rhetoric. And of course you play games with identities and screw around and manage not to get caught, but I have to tell you, that if people would pull their heads out of their asses and just realize what you have been doing to them, you would so be toast. You have got to be one of the most miserable pieces of garbage on the planet, which fits because it takes a miserable piece of garbage to go around helping do horrible things to people like getting them to take poisons to try to cure an infection that you know doesn't exist.

I haven't the knowledge to pick arguments with those who have a higher education. I said that I would not read anymore of Read-only's posts so I don't see how I could argue with him. It just seems to me,with the amount of his post that he refered to himself, that he was full of himself.

Comments like "plain average people" and there's only a few people that he would be interested in interacting with, I take as looking down on us "plain average people".

After,on other forums, having been ignored and considered a "crackpot" when only asking questions and stating that's all I was doing. I was pleased to find a place that is tolerant of "plain average people".

Something tells me that Read-only's attitude has something to do with, those of lesser knowledge, not sticking around on the forum that he was a moderator for.

After having posted my previous reply, I felt that it was not necessary and regretted having done so.

Hello, Wilgory,

I sincerly apologize if I gave you that impression. In fact, I consider myself to be a VERY average person. Perhaps with a bit more experience due to my extended years, but that's about it.

Please allow me to explain what I meant when I said I had a short-list of those I'd like to interact with. I'm here simply to learn. Sorry, but right now I honestly don't have the time or opportunity to do any teaching. I wouldn't learn much from speaking with the 'average' person because both he/she and I are All average and know pretty much the same things already.;)

As to being a know-it-all? Absolutely not! There are millions of things that I don't know and would like to learn!!

And that's another good thing about this place - it stores posts from long, long ago. And rather than making someone repeat themselves, I've often found the answers to my questions clearly spelled out two, three or even four years back.

I really hope that will give you a better opinion of me. Serious, I'm under tight constraints for time currently but that (hopefully!) will improve in a few months.

There is nothing that can improve my opinion of you, ReadOnly, except a confession. You complete bastard. Whatever it is that you do for a living now, you should quit and go to work for fast food.

This has absolutely, postively NOTHING to do with GENERAL SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY. The Thread will now be closed for the following reasons:

1.) It has nothing to do with Gen. Science and Tech. (as previously mentioned)
2.) It is a personal attack on an individual(s)

If there are any problems with this, then you can send me a PM.

Bye.

Just as my screen name implies, I've been just pretty much reading all the threads (except for topics that don't interest me) for a little over three months now.

Egad! What a strange, sometimes entertaining, sometimes depressing place these forums are!:) :( For a place that's supposedly dedicated to science, judging by it's name, it probably contains less science (and more BAD science) than the majority of places I've visited on the web.

Another very unusual feature here is that it seems to consist of an exceptionally high number of purely uneducated people. Probably the highest number per square centimeter of screen space in all of cyberspace. Thankfully, there are also a few highly intelligent posters and a moderate number of plain, average people. But to see so many simple dolts in just one place is what's so depressing.

I'm talking about several individuals and I've also read enough to see that it's not considered good form to name names. But I'm sure you already know who they are anyway, right?

It would appear that besides the know-nothings that think that somehow they've managed to figure out just how WRONG professional scientists are (like the one who proclaimed that black holes cannot exist, another that insisted the surface of Earth is warmed by heat leaking upward from the core rather than the Sun, another - who claimed to be privately tutored by a high-ranking military officer - that the core of the Earth is practically at absolute zero(!), there's one that stands out as being the absolute worst, and dumbest, of all. And he interjects himself into practically every real scientific discussion with his innate stupidity.

Who is he? Well, I've seen him all over the place. At one point he readily admits to having been bullied in school. And he wasn't even smart enough to realize that it was he himself, and his attitude, that attracted the bullies. Even the kids that would never dream of picking on someone cannot resist having a go at someone who tries to claim he's intelligent when he really isn't and makes himself stick out like a sore thumb by constantly whining just as he does here.

In one thread, he tried to claim that heat pumps could not work because they violated the second law of thermodynamics. (Never mind that there are millions of them working just fine the world over.) And two rather patient people tried at great lengths to explain to him the principles involved. One became rather disgusted with the idiot because once something was made clear he would then try to claim that he knew it all along! Wow, just how dumb can you make yourself look? And all the time still trying to claim that they STILL simply could not work. Amazing.

He also regularly accuses the moderators of deleting his threads, of moving valid (actually garbage) threads to the Cesspool, claiming they are on the payroll of 'someone?' and the like.

His latest big adventure was claiming that AIDS is not caused by HIV. He also says it's a myth created by the major drug makers so that they can continue to sell their "poison" and make tremendous profits from AIDS. Of course, he chooses to ignore the literal mountains of data and research that clearly proves him wrong. And besides that, the poor fool doesn't even seem to realize that practically all of that research and data collection was done by groups and agencies with absolutely no connection to the drug companies. Truly sad individual, this guy. I'm afraid that if he lived next door to me his paranoia would be true. Because I'd be trying to find a safe (meaning not getting caught) way to end his miserable existence.

Don't be concerned that I might become a regular poster here, because I won't. There's only a few - maybe eight or ten, at the most - people I'd be interested in interacting with. And the experience would be ruined because the woo-woos (a term I learned here) would insist on getting involved. I'd spend more time updating my ignore list than I would in actual conversations. No thanks, very little. So, back to just reading again and finding the 3% of real science presented here.
I moved this thread to the Site Feedback and re-opened it, because someone maybe would like to continue the discussion.

Anyway, Read-only didn't make a good start here. I had to ban him for three days. Reason is bold sentence in the quotation. It's obvious death threat to other SciForums member and that won't be tolerated here.

Yes, indeed. If you threaten to kill Metakron at least offer him out on at Battlefield2 or some other multiplayer game. That way the Killing/Death isn't permanent, it will make you feel better should you bump him off and will give him a sporting chance. Another great bonus to the Virtual over the real is "You actually get to relive the moment", just like any buddying serial killer wants to* (Subject to Metakron wanting a rematch).

(I know I'm going to regret posting this, so feel free to delete it should it be too bad taste or ill-humoured.)

Met him at 'Sandstorm' and show your quality! :)

I killed The Devil Inside's spirit with MTW

I killed The Devil Inside's spirit with MTW

you properly told him cavalry was da shiiit and came all pike men yourself

you properly told him cavalry was da shiiit and came all pike men yourself

No, I did that with nickelodeon.

Welcome to Sciforums "read-only" ..........!! :)
Here on Sciforums, we even have room for you ....


Another very unusual feature here is that it seems to consist of an exceptionally high number of purely uneducated people. Probably the highest number per square centimeter of screen space in all of cyberspace.
to see so many simple dolts in just one place is what's so depressing.

But I'm sure you already know who they are anyway, right?

there's one that stands out as being the absolute worst, and dumbest, of all. And he interjects himself into practically every real scientific discussion with his INNATE stupidity.

Who is he?
he .... makes himself stick out like a sore thumb by constantly whining just as he does here.

One became rather disgusted with the idiot ....... Wow, just how dumb can you make yourself look?

the poor fool ......

truly sad individual, this guy. I´M AFRAID THAT IF HE LIVED NEXT DOOR TO ME HIS PARANOIA WOULD BE TRUE. Because I'd be trying to find a safe (meaning not getting caught) way to end his miserable existence.

Don't be concerned that I might become a regular poster here, because I won't. And the experience would be ruined because the woo-woos (a term I learned here) would insist on getting involved. No thanks..........

You seem to be quite eloquent , but clearly divides humans into superior beings and inferior beings - above you describe your favourite inferior person here ........
You seem to believe in euthanasia as well , being prepared to kill a a known schizophrenic member of sciforums - even describing him correct as having paranoia .......
Apart from that ,you seem to be extremely condescending concerning our forum and most of the members ........but NOT all of the members ...


You might (or might not) be surprised to know that in fact you ARE not only on that short list but at the very top. It's not difficult at all to tell the genuine personalities and professionalism here. Separating the wheat from the chaff, as it were.

In fact, I'm not only a regular contributor on another forum, I was also a moderator there for years before becoming one of the two administrators about a year ago.
Unlike this site, the people there are very knowledgeable in what they discuss.........
the "woo-woos", as they are called here, never stay around
So I have a place that's filled with respectable people without being bothered by those with scrambled eggs for brains.


Here you try to become soulmate with a superior human being as you see him , and describes yourself as another superior being ......
Still condescending about our forum ........


I'm not intolerant at all toward ignorance, we all began knowing nothing. It's sheer stupidity that I'm not the least tolerant of.

It's rather interesting that you should mention this. I've spent a fair amount of time as a teacher and both the students and I enjoyed it.
Excuse me - go down the South main hallway and in the 8th door on the left. That's the debating classroom.

"Ignorance can be fixed, stupid is forever." The guy on the anti-HIV/AIDS campaign fits that prediction all too nicely, I'm afraid.
The poor, weak-minded individual doesn't seem to realize that there's nothing he can possibly do to entice me to engage him. See just how hopeless his case is?)

Thank you, it's very kind of you to say that.:) Indeed, I may well accept that gentle offer sometime in the future when I (hopefully) have more time to devote to it. Information flows best that flows frequently rather than having long periods of interruptions.

Another very kind offer - I shall consider it.



Actually, you do seem to be rather intolerant about other people ......
Then describing yourself as a superior person again (excellent tactic )....
then again you are condescending about our debates and arguing here on Sciforums .....
And you are again bonding with someone - now even being polite , almost servile ......(excellent strategy again .......)



I sincerly apologize if I gave you that impression. In fact, I consider myself to be a VERY average person.

I really hope that will give you a better opinion of me.

No sorry , I don´t think, that I will get a better opinion of you for a while ........

Resume : you believe in ubermenschen and untermenschen , are willing to kill untermenschen ( I have an eerie feeling that you actually are dangerous ), you see yourself as an ubermensch, are intolerant and condescending , except towards other ubermenschen , to whom you are polite and servile ....

Does anyone here know, what you would have been called during WWII ??

And no - I don´t really like MetaKron myself - I have been rebuking and debunking him myself - in one post he even wrote to me : "why don´t you stand where I can reach you - we can put the result on you-tube "........
But at least I can understand why a psychiatric out-patient, who is not on medication reacts like that .........
However you "read-only " .......well I am dissapointed - your intelligence should have protected you from this behaviour ............

In my eyes , you are far worse than Metakron - shame on you !!! ;)

Anyway , welcome here on Sciforums ........

I killed The Devil Inside's spirit with MTW

not even close.
ive been practicing, actually.

as to the thread....put me on your blacklist, readonly.

anyone who thinks they are better than someone else is not worth the skin they are wrapped in, in my opinion.

Nothing I can do to entice him to engage me? As if. The guy who makes a death threat is definitely engaged.

People, this is the typical behavior of the AIDS rah-rah crowd. It should be enough to teach people to take a better look at the pills that they are taking before they swallow them.

Nothing I can do to entice him to engage me? As if. The guy who makes a death threat is definitely engaged.

People, this is the typical behavior of the AIDS rah-rah crowd. It should be enough to teach people to take a better look at the pills that they are taking before they swallow them.

drop it, he is banned.

Read-Only, I think you would be an excellent addition to SciForums if you decided to stick around. You seem to have already made enemies, but I guess that's just what SciForums is like sometimes. Don't let your having been banned scare you off, or the woo-woos. We need more people to help improve the quality of discussions here, after all. :) I hope I'm one of the few people who you'd waste your time on, or at the very least one of the people you don't consider idiots. I do like to learn, even if I appear opinionated.

And MetaKron, jeez, would you just drop it? Thanks to you, people are starting to notice I'm suddenly and inexplicably filthy rich and buying lots of bling, and I don't need you blowing my cover. :mad:

And no - I don´t really like MetaKron myself - I have been rebuking and debunking him myself - in one post he even wrote to me : "why don´t you stand where I can reach you - we can put the result on you-tube "........

How in the world is this not as severe a death threat as the one supposedly issued by Read-Only?

Read-Only You seem to have already made enemies
Don't let your having been banned scare you off, or the woo-woos.

It might come as a surprise to you Athelwulf , but I don´t actually see myself as an enemy of Read-Only .........of course if he wants to hate me for ever or put me on ignore , that will be his choice .......
The stunt he did , by starting off in his first post to make a death threat , has to be dealt with swift and efficient ....
and please remember he wrote it in his first post here , NOT in an overheated flamewar , where some people looses their
(hot)head...........
He says he is here to learn , and what I hope to teach him, is some manners ,
better late than never .....I know he is a grown up .....
And yes , I am probably exaggerating ........ read-only is probably not a NAZI ....
But if I don´t spell it out for him , then how is he going to change ....??

Read-Only , if you DO change , then I truly will welcome you warmheartedly here on Scifo .....

How in the world is this not as severe a death threat as the one supposedly issued by Read-Only?

Read-Only is supposed to be sane and well-educated ....he does not have any excuses for making such a death-threat ....
MetaKron certainly does not hold a university degree , furthermore he is a schizophrenic and not on medication , which means , he is living in his own world of delusions..........
Yes, Metakron is sometimes a nuisance , but there are reasons for it .....as long as he is not on medication , then NOTHING people here say will be able to change his mind about science, HIV and conspiracy .......however that is due to a mental disease - NOT ordinary stupidity .........
And yes , perhaps I did provoke him sligthly in his delusions before he wrote the above statement to me .......still inexcusable , but with a reason ( mental disease/delusions/provoked) ....... everything has to be seen in a context .......

Read-Only is supposed to be sane and well-educated ....he does not have any excuses for making such a death-threat ....
MetaKron certainly does not hold a university degree , furthermore he is a schizophrenic and not on medication , which means , he is living in his own world of delusions..........

So MetaKron is clearly retarded, and deserves protection from himself?

And yes , perhaps I did provoke him sligthly in his delusions before he wrote the above statement to me .......still inexcusable , but with a reason ( mental disease/delusions/provoked) ....... everything has to be seen in a context .......

I don't understand how you can argue on one hand that Read-Only needs to be bannished, while MetaKron needs to be protected. There is absolutely no basis for your arguments. It's like saying "Well, MetaKron is just the village idiot. It's ok if he threatens me, because it's cute when he gets angry."

The difference is, of course, MetaKron is running around whining like a little bitch. I hope if you had done the same that the site administrators would have given MetaKron some sort of punishment.

The message in contention:

"I´M AFRAID THAT IF HE LIVED NEXT DOOR TO ME HIS PARANOIA WOULD BE TRUE. Because I'd be trying to find a safe (meaning not getting caught) way to end his miserable existence."

The above statement was misconstrued as a death threat. Let's look at the definition of 'threat' and the content to see if it actually was such. Let's also bear in mind that no names were ever mentioned.

Threat: Declaration of an intention or a determination to inflict harm on another. (my bold)

By definition, Read Only's statement is not a declaration, he does not declare his intention to do any harm to anyone, but merely states that he would "find a safe way to end his miserable existence."

One could simply access a computer personnel database and erase it's contents, thus 'ending his miserable existence.'

One could simple visit a psychiatrist, find out whatever problem ails the individual thus 'ending his miserable existence.'

One could simply put another member on ignore, thus 'ending his miserable existence.'

There are dozens of connotations to Read Only's statement that have nothing to do with death or threats.

If anyone here can show evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt that Read Only declared the intent to kill Metakron, I'd be very interested to hear your argument. So far, there is none.

The message in contention:

HIS PARANOIA WOULD BE TRUE..

That says it all, I think.

That says it all, I think.

What does it say, exactly? Who exactly is it being said about? Explain.

The stunt he did , by starting off in his first post to make a death threat , has to be dealt with swift and efficient ....
and please remember he wrote it in his first post here , NOT in an overheated flamewar , where some people looses their
(hot)head........... What utter bilge.
No, truly monumentally screwed up thinking.
Read-Only expressed frustration at the ignorance of Metakron - something I have done on numerous occassions. He implied that if he were his next door neighbour his thoughts might turn homicidal.
If.
He almost certainly is not his next door neighbour (though how ironic if it turne dou to be the case). Read-Only is working on the basis that he is not his next door neighbour . Therefore his comments in no way can constitute a death threat. Only a moderator who has had a logicdectomy could think so. Thus the ban imposed on Read-Only was ill founded, irrelvant, mindless and wrong.

[And do not insult me by suggesting this defence is because Read-Only made positive noises about me. I am not open to bribery at that level. (My price starts at £2,000,000.)]

And pray tell how I am meant to know Metakron is a bona fide schizophrenic? :shrug:

Bilge.

So MetaKron is clearly retarded, and deserves protection from himself?

I don't understand how you can argue on one hand that Read-Only needs to be bannished, while MetaKron needs to be protected. There is absolutely no basis for your arguments. It's like saying "Well, MetaKron is just the village idiot. It's ok if he threatens me, because it's cute when he gets angry."

You still don´t get it , Ben ....... the problem is Metakron is not retarded , he is schizophrenic , which is something else !!!!!!!

I never said , Meta should be protected ....I even used the word "inexcusable" ..... this threat was read by mods later on ( I think even James R tried to put oil on the water ) ......
What I am trying to say , is : Read-only is still within reach of being able to behave normally in the future , if only somebody gives him a loving kick in his ass .........
Meta will only be able to moderate himself if he gets on medication .........

THAT is the difference ........

(Q)---

It doesn't matter---it's over. The thing is, the administrator has, for some reason, selectively chooses to punish some people over others.

This is absolutely reidiculous. I received an infraction about two months back for calling Zanket a Jackass. Nevermind that he IS a jackass.

Inasmuch as Read-Only threatened MetaKron, so too did MetaKron treaten Sputnik. And in this sense, the administrator (who presumably metes out these judgements from on high) has shown himself to be the worst type of hypocrite.

MetaKron finally got someone to drop a phrase into a post that could be interepretted as a death threat, and then runs around squealing like a little bitch untill someone does something to quite his crying.

please suck on my balls, racist.
ill post what i want, where i want.

This is from the thread "Why Black People Remain Backward". Will this person ever be reprimanded? Of course not.

What does it say, exactly? Who exactly is it being said about? Explain.

His latest big adventure was claiming that AIDS is not caused by HIV. He also says it's a myth created by the major drug makers so that they can continue to sell their "poison" and make tremendous profits from AIDS. Of course, he chooses to ignore the literal mountains of data and research that clearly proves him wrong. And besides that, the poor fool doesn't even seem to realize that practically all of that research and data collection was done by groups and agencies with absolutely no connection to the drug companies. Truly sad individual, this guy. I'm afraid that if he lived next door to me his paranoia would be true. Because I'd be trying to find a safe (meaning not getting caught) way to end his miserable existence.

It says if he lived next door to the guy in this forum who claims AIDS is not caused by HIV, he would find a way to end that guys miserable existence without getting caught.

1. guy on this forum.
2. end his miserable existence
3. without getting caught.

i.e. that guys paranoia would be true.


names are unnecessary, that guy would know it is being aimed at him, since other positions taken by that guy on other issues are clearly mentioned.

Now if someone were to tell me, if I see you, it will be the end of your miserable existence, would I be justified in considering that as a threat?

What I am trying to say , is : Read-only is still within reach of being able to behave normally in the future , if only somebody gives him a loving kick in his ass .........

I get it quite well. I get that you want to apply two separate standards. This is the definition of hypocracy. Read-Only will never be back. This much is evident. So in this sense, banning him for three days is pretty meaningless, and just a concession to shut MetaKron up, I am sure.

The moderators should be PAYING people for intelligent conversation on this site.

Now if someone were to tell me, if I see you, it will be the end of your miserable existence, would I be justified in considering that as a threat?

Sam---this is exactly what MetaKron told Sputnik:

in one post he even wrote to me : "why don´t you stand where I can reach you - we can put the result on you-tube "........

How does MetaKron NOT deserve the same puinishment?

Sam---this is exactly what MetaKron told Sputnik:



How does MetaKron NOT deserve the same puinishment?

Since he said we can put the result on youtube, he might be talking about dirty pictures or sex. Do you know?

I think the context should be pretty clear.

I think the context should be pretty clear.

Yup, like end his miserable existence.

It says if he lived next door to the guy in this forum who claims AIDS is not caused by HIV, he would find a way to end that guys miserable existence without getting caught.

1. guy on this forum.
2. end his miserable existence
3. without getting caught.

i.e. that guys paranoia would be true.

names are unnecessary, that guy would know it is being aimed at him, since other positions taken by that guy on other issues are clearly mentioned.

Yes, names ARE necessary, and any number of members here might have thought it was aimed at them. What you, and the moderator in question have mistakenly asserted is that Metakron is that individual. You therefore claim that you've read every post by every member of Sciforums, to date, and have unequivocally come to the conclusion on ONE member here has that position.

Without specifying a name, there is no declaration of intention.

Now if someone were to tell me, if I see you, it will be the end of your miserable existence, would I be justified in considering that as a threat?

Yes, that is a declaration of intention to do harm. Read Only NEVER made such a declaration. Please get your facts straight.

Yup, like end his miserable existence.

Sam, I've already provided examples for which there are dozens more where that statement could be taken in context that has nothing to do with killing someone.

Yes, names ARE necessary, and any number of members here might have thought it was aimed at them. What you, and the moderator in question have mistakenly asserted is that Metakron is that individual. You therefore claim that you've read every post by every member of Sciforums, to date, and have unequivocally come to the conclusion on ONE member here has that position.

Without specifying a name, there is no declaration of intention.



Yes, that is a declaration of intention to do harm. Read Only NEVER made such a declaration. Please get your facts straight.


All members who thought Read-only was targeting them, please say Aye!

Sam, I've already provided examples for which there are dozens more where that statement could be taken in context that has nothing to do with killing someone.

How many of them involve paranoia and not getting caught?

"why don´t you stand where I can reach you - we can put the result on you-tube "........

Clearly, that IS a declaration of intention, from one individual to another, whether the intent is to kill or not can only be speculated. Regardless, that IS a threat.

In most countries (at least in Europe) , schizophrenics who makes threats are treated with medication ( and then they stop) - not fined or jailed ......
Sane people get fines ( and then also often stops )...... so there are are different standards for different people in society !!!!!

Meta has stated in some of his early posts (many,many years ago) that he is a schizophrenic .......... and now he claims conspiracy (with paid mods here on scifo - 200000 $ a year paid by the medicine industry ), HIV does not exist - and in another thread he actually thought read-only had connections to people who would silence him ............all delusions .......

"why don´t you stand where I can reach you - we can put the result on you-tube "........

Clearly, that IS a declaration of intention, from one individual to another, whether the intent is to kill or not can only be speculated. Regardless, that IS a threat.

Sounds like something my partner would say to me on a dance floor.

So an ambiguous statement is a threat and an unambiguous one is not?

All members who thought Read-only was targeting them, please say Aye!

Sorry, but argument ad populum is a fallacy. And you'd have to contact every individual who's ever been a member here. :p

Sorry, but argument ad populum is a fallacy. And you'd have to contact every individual who's ever been a member here. :p

But they are a member of this forum, then? And deserve the same courtesy as Meta?

How many of them involve paranoia and not getting caught?

First of all, paranoia was stated as an opinion, not verified. I could state that your delusions about religion are valid, but that is merely my opinion.

If I were to access a personnel database to erase all evidence of your existence, would I want to get caught?

First of all, paranoia was stated as an opinion, not verified. I could state that your delusions about religion are valid, but that is merely my opinion.

If I were to access a personnel database to erase all evidence of your existence, would I want to get caught?

Would you be required to live next to me to do so?

Meta has stated in some of his early posts (many,many years ago) that he is a schizophrenic ..........

Do I care? Does that mean we need to let him say what he wants to say, and do what he wants to do? Do we need to put him in a fucking yellow rain coat with his mittens pinned to his collar?

By joining this forum he willfully agreed to follow a set of rules. If he cannot follow these rules, whether he be schizophrenic, retarted, or Chinese, he should be banned. And he should be subject to the same rules as everyone else, no matter his handicap.

What if Read-Only came back and said that he was schizophrenic? Would that change anything?

But they are a member of this forum, then? And deserve the same courtesy as Meta?

What courtesy? There was no threat made.

Would you be required to live next to me to do so?

Why would that matter?

Why would that matter?

Exactly.:rolleyes:

Exactly.:rolleyes:

No, why would it matter as part of the argument?

No, why would it matter as part of the argument?

Why don't you ask Read only, it was he who mentioned it.

Why don't you ask Read only, it was he who mentioned it.

I can see his words in the opening post. And from those words, no threat was ever made. And you've not made an argument for such. Nor, have you made the connection to Metakron, specifically. No one has.

I can see his words in the opening post. And from those words, no threat was ever made. And you've not made an argument for such. Nor, have you made the connection to Metakron, specifically. No one has.

Its not required. The threat was obvious, whether meant as such or not, not the kind of thing we want to encourage on this forum. Having a difference of opinion does not give me the freedom to claim I'd like to see a person disappear.

Whinge whinge, moan moan, gripe gripe. What a total and utter bunch of arse.

Grow up. The lot of you.

Whinge whinge, moan moan, gripe gripe. What a total and utter bunch of arse.

Grow up. The lot of you.

Wait..... no I don't care.

The threat was obvious, whether meant as such or not, not the kind of thing we want to encourage on this forum. Having a difference of opinion does not give me the freedom to claim I'd like to see a person disappear.

Bullshit. It's only obvious to the logically challenged. You've made posts in which you'd love to see a person disappear. You made no threats, no declaration of intention, of course, but you've made the claim.

Bullshit. It's only obvious to the logically challenged. You've made posts in which you'd love to see a person disappear. You made no threats, no declaration of intention, of course, but you've made the claim.

I have? :p

Who?

PS you do realise you just intimated our admin is logically challenged?

But if, as BenTheMan just said, you're only doing it because you like a flaming good row with strangers on the internet, working up a head of steam over your choccy biccies and cocoa... carry on, troops. Let's not pretend that any of it actually matters, though.

Whinge whinge, moan moan, gripe gripe. What a total and utter bunch of arse.

Grow up. The lot of you.

http://www.sciforums.com/avatars/avatar23456_93.gif

I have? :p

Who?

Me, for one. :D

And yes, Nickelodeon: that smilie still makes me laugh. God damn you and all you stand for.

Me, for one. :D

Well, I never, peaches!

Why, you're one of the most entertaining fellas on this forum!:p

And yes, Nickelodeon: that smilie still makes me laugh. God damn you and all you stand for.

You didn't like the sheep?http://www.dkamagazine.com/Forum/images/smiles/p_sheep.gif

But if, as BenTheMan just said, you're only doing it because you like a flaming good row with strangers on the internet, working up a head of steam over your choccy biccies and cocoa... carry on, troops. Let's not pretend that any of it actually matters, though.

Is that how you spell row? I always thought you brits would spell it with some gratuitous letters that can only be pronounced if you have fucked up teeth.

Actualy, Sciforums is a very average place as message boards go, specially counting the number of death threats... :)

If you ever read other politics or religion boards, the animosity and stupidity are way higher there.
There is a simple solution to the problem Read-only: Write-only. Seriously.I keep putting idiots on my Ignore list and simply just pass on their posts. That easy...

Yes I like the sheep, but it inspires rather more disturbing responses than laughter; dark feelings that I'd rather not confront.

Is that how you spell row? I always thought you brits would spell it with some gratuitous letters that can only be pronounced if you have fucked up teeth.
L, O and, indeed, L.

See, this is jolly now, isn't it!???

I keep putting idiots on my Ignore list and simply just pass on their posts. That easy...
You must have a long list.

PS you do realise you just intimated our admin is logically challenged?

No, I did not. The admins never created the fallacious argument based on the faulty logic, it was the moderator in question.

Yes I like the sheep, but it inspires rather more disturbing responses than laughter; dark feelings that I'd rather not confront.

Far be it for me to put temptation your way.

http://www.dkamagazine.com/Forum/images/smiles/p_skipping_sheep.gif

Oops!:o

No, I did not. The admins never created the fallacious argument based on the faulty logic, it was the moderator in question.

Hmm this has the stench of a personal vendetta.

I shall now grace fully retreat into the shadows.


http://www.dkamagazine.com/Forum/images/smiles/happy1.gif

Popcorn anyone?

Q would be the cop that would allow Read Only to get away with murder because he 'out smarted' the law.

I know. Let's do a poll.
Coming up.


First.
As to the admin thing.
I noted the obvious death threat, made a thread about it in the mod forum, and the admin agreed.
I banned no one. I merely brought it to Plazma's attention.
Q is the only mod on the forum who has spoke up with the opinion that there was no death threat. Yet, he is always right, isn't he?

Sound off:
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=64554

As to the admin thing.
I noted the obvious death threat, made a thread about it in the mod forum, and the admin agreed.
I banned no one. I merely brought it to Plazma's attention.
Q is the only mod on the forum who has spoke up with the opinion that there was no death threat. Yet, he is always right, isn't he?

So, it looks like you are guilty of providing doctored intelligence to the President?

Q would be the cop that would allow Read Only to get away with murder because he 'out smarted' the law.

Murder? Could you please point out exactly where Read Only claimed to wanting to murder anyone? Please do. And please remember, YOU used the word murder.

I noted the obvious death threat, made a thread about it in the mod forum, and the admin agreed.

No, you incorrectly asserted a threat was made, yet no threat was ever made, there was no declaration of intention, unless of course, you can point that out? You also asserted the threat was made to a particular individual on this forum, with no evidence whatsoever to back up your assertion.

Clearly, you were mistaken and knee-jerked a reaction.

Q is the only mod on the forum who has spoke up with the opinion that there was no death threat.

That statement would indicate you haven't a leg to stand and are appealing to fallacy.

blah blah blah blah.
blahy blahb blah blah.
blah blah blah blah blah.

Just shut up.
We all know that Read Only would fit right into your little doggy pack.
Don't worry, Q, his ban will expire and you can implore him to return to your loving arms.
Patience.

Actualy, Sciforums is a very average place as message boards go, specially counting the number of death threats... :).I'll kill you for that.

Q is the only mod on the forum who has spoke up with the opinion that there was no death threat. Yet, he is always right, isn't he?In this case he is (though it pains me to say, but the truth must triumph.) Refer to a previous post three pages back where I demonstrate this with flawless logic and simultaneously accuse the mod/admin who banned Read-Only of having had a logicdectomy.

Nor, have you made the connection to Metakron, specifically. No one has.

After Meta started to write in the thread , Read-only wrote this .......

"Ignorance can be fixed, stupid is forever." The guy on the anti-HIV/AIDS campaign fits that prediction all too nicely, I'm afraid. (And as a side note, he's already appeared in this thread and made a couple of attempts to goad me. The poor, weak-minded individual doesn't seem to realize that there's nothing he can possibly do to entice me to engage him. See just how hopeless his case is?)

blah blah blah blah.
blahy blahb blah blah.
blah blah blah blah blah.

Just shut up.

And that is your argument? That is how you defend your actions?

Yes, Ophiolite.
The 'if'.
That much is obvious.
It was an attempt to remain safe.
Yet, that is the oldest trick in the book.
To add "I think" in front of an insult to avoid the charge of slander.
It'll still get your ass beat though.

It's ironic that the death threat was issued with the sideline of being safe. A bit of recursion was taking place.

So, technically speaking, it was 'safe'. But, it was a death threat nonetheless and the punishment was more than justified.
Hell, the idiot only got a three day ban. Ordinarily threats of violence bring far more than that upon the heads of the perpetrators.

Earth to Q,

There is no argument.
There are no actions to defend.

Welcome to reality.

After Meta started to write in the thread , Read-only wrote this .......

Originally Posted by Read-Only
"Ignorance can be fixed, stupid is forever." The guy on the anti-HIV/AIDS campaign fits that prediction all too nicely, I'm afraid. (And as a side note, he's already appeared in this thread and made a couple of attempts to goad me. The poor, weak-minded individual doesn't seem to realize that there's nothing he can possibly do to entice me to engage him. See just how hopeless his case is?)

So, where is Metakron's name? Where does it say that Read Only declared he would kill Metakron?

Unfounded assertions abound.

You must have a long list.

Not really. There is the generally ignorant, where there is a chance of education. I only put on Ignore the malicious ones, or those who are proved to be unable to improve themself.
In either cases, there is no point in continuing the discussion with them.

Originally Posted by Read-Only
"Ignorance can be fixed, stupid is forever." The guy on the anti-HIV/AIDS campaign fits that prediction all too nicely, I'm afraid. (And as a side note, he's already appeared in this thread and made a couple of attempts to goad me. The poor, weak-minded individual doesn't seem to realize that there's nothing he can possibly do to entice me to engage him. See just how hopeless his case is?)

So, where is Metakron's name? Where does it say that Read Only declared he would kill Metakron?

Unfounded assertions abound.

You're not that stupid, Q.

Read-Only expected me to believe it, and he expected me to know it was me. He deliberately made it convincing. That's at least as much as it takes. He also set the condition that he would do it if he could find me.

In other words, whether he intended to do the deed or not, he intended for the threat to be believed, and by me. He also intended to be able to go back and say that he didn't really threaten me.

This is a lot of the AIDS scene, too, where they say things then deny saying them and deny the alligator, and just a bunch of stuff that's too ludicrous to be true but they keep saying and doing it and they make this babble that somehow keeps them out of the kind of trouble that they deserve.

Drop the AIDS thing, Meta.

I am not going to read six pages of this... but quick question: have you all figured out who Read-Only is? I'm just curious. To be blatantly a poseur, hypocrite, and a liar so as to attack another's credibility, was, I thought, interesting -- vintage Sciforums.com, circa 2007.

His ip doesn't match anyone else.
It's most likely that he was invited here by a friend or some such.
It's always possible that he is what he says, but the doggy pack was quick to gather around.

quick question: have you all figured out who Read-Only is? I'm just curious.

I would guess the simple answer is "No". There's been a lot of debate over Read-Only's posts however which should hopefully bring something productive out of it.

For instance defining "What is a death threat?" and "What to do if someone threatens another sciforums user?".

Technically, Read-Only didn't threaten.

i.e.
A Death threat could be seen as:
"<insert name> I'm going to gut you like a fish, since your such a loser and make others regret they were born by knowing of you."

Where as the following is technically not actually a threat, more of a sadistic statement on the part of the poster that uses it:
"<insert name> you must lead a miserable existence, do you want me to end your misery?"

Obviously an outright death threat would be by standard a Temporary ban with a post from a moderator or administrator explaining why the ban occured, this should be enough to decide on the fate of that individual as if they don't take too kindly to the temporary ban (and are rude for being banned) then obviously an outright ban is necessary.

The sadistic statement on the other hand should really be treated with an open public warning (rather than PM/private one) with the hope that the user apologises or mend's their own viewpoint on how to deal with people they despise.

A straight forward permaban should be applied to people that sensationalise a persons true identity (No matter if that information can be found on the internet, if it's not sensationalised then it's not brought to the attention of others) especially if they apply the posting of real information and real death threats.

With that mentioned above it should also be brought to light that perhaps people should realise that "Cyberstalking" should also be looked at.

I have to admit people have been hasty in dealing with Read-Only, since there have been many other instances of "Sadistic statements" across sciforum's and none of them were greeted with the same stringent upholding of P.C. Moderation.

I know my Blurb is going to come across as "Sciforums - The policestate" but at the end of the day we want sciforums represented by being sciforums, not sciforums being represented by press articles like:


Mad Axeman rampages against flamers
At the weekend a Madman ran rampant armed with a small axe used for chopping kindling. in his rampage he killed two and wounded five others, all of those attacked were posters at an internet forum called www.sciforums.com.

The mad man had apparently selected his victims through the use of discussion by flaming, apparently some of the victims he felt were too stupid to post and others he felt belittled by. With this his frenzy of chopping and slashing began, pictures of his first victims as he visited them were found to be posted on a number of internet community networking sites, where administrators were informed within hours of them being posted.

What gave away the apparent position of the next few victims was the fact that private information (although available on the internet) had been selectively posted on the forums in regards to their methods of conduct on the forums.

The Sciforums moderation team was apparently distraught at the sudden change in the members state, from "Senior registered member" to "Senile Unregulated Dismemberer". The sciforums administration team was approach for a comment, Plazma Inferno! gave no comment.

One moderator came forwards to show the thread that had caused the outbreak of "dismembering". The Mad axeman had state "None of you deserve to be members of sciforums!" with which various members had retorted into arguement, flaming and even posting things that had nothing to do with the topic. Apparently this is what triggered the mad axeman to remove members from sciforums by "Dismembering".


Well you get the idea.

Let's try this experiment then: with no ifs, buts, or maybes every one of you should be taken out and shot (even if you aren't my nextdoor neighbour).

I hope you all die eventually.

I hope you all die eventually.
Technically you will all die eventually and there is nothing you can do to stop it! :bugeye:

Thats why you cant ban me :P

Thats why you cant ban me :P
I can, I hope you suffer from a long life and old age!

I hope you never die.

Think how awfull t must be to see all your loved ones die, and once you have seen and done eveything 10 times, how boring eternity will be.

I hope you end up laying in a field full of beautiful wild flowers and cute fluffy bunnies. (Okay that is really scraping the barrel and maybe even classed a sadistic statement)
I'm going to stop here Nickelodeon and let you win, I don't think you could make a fluffier comeback.

I hope you all die eventually.

I know you will all die eventually.

I hope this thread dies a horrible death.

I hope this thread dies a horrible death.
... with fluffy bunnies? or at the hands(paws) of fluffy bunnies?
(Okay thats a loaded question choice)

I know that this thread will die a horrible death.

So, I make a death threat against everyone and (because in the context it is clear it is not a serious threat) no action is taken.
Read-only also made a context sensitive remark that place the remark in the category 'not a death threat'.
His banning was diabolical, unwarranted, mindless and biased.

So, I make a death threat against everyone and (because in the context it is clear it is not a serious threat) no action is taken.
Read-only also made a context sensitive remark that place the remark in the category 'not a death threat'.
His banning was diabolical, unwarranted, mindless and biased.

Drop dead.

We should have a weekly random banning event.

But I would've thought that Metakron's opponents fill up a short list. Who went after him with a vengeance? Besides Spurious and ToR, who else was there? Also, I'm sure masking one's IP is not so difficult -- or taking the opportunity to login whilst traveling.

Hey asshat. Metakron and I are good buddies.

The only reason we had a disagreement was because I used to a moderator and needed to have standards. I am passed that now.

We should have a weekly random banning event.

I'll make the list of users and you get me a random number generator.

By random I mean of course IAC.

By random I mean of course IAC.

1. IAC

BanUser(ceiling(rand(1)));

Next week: spuriousmonkey

Random death threats are more fun.

Hey asshat. Metakron and I are good buddies.

See, it's an attitude like yours that leads to rear wars, or was it rear flames, or whatever: I took it as granted that no one would think little meek monkey with big fat mouth could possibly carry out such a dumb act as Read Only. After all, little meek monkey with big fat mouth carries around a pretty PhD.

why is everybody so obsessed with people that have a PhD? There must be millions of them around.

You are the flamer asshat. You try to grow a rift between me and my buddy Metakron.

Don't listen to him metabuddy. We are pals.

Random death threats are more fun.

thats it, im gonna kill all of you!

I keel u all.

I keel u all.
Die scum.

May all your vital cells suddenly undergo apoptosis.

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keel: to turn or upset so as to bring the wrong side or part uppermost.

redarmy11 will turn us all around on our heads. redarmy11 will change this world all around.

May all your vital cells suddenly undergo apoptosis.

May intracellular Ca2+ channel be blocked to prevent this.

why is everybody so obsessed with people that have a PhD?Other way around: how else do you think we know. Lol.

Drop the AIDS thing, Meta.

Drop the blow me thing, Wulf.

Other way around: how else do you think we know. Lol.

Other way around, why do you and other trolls keep bringing it up.

Excuse me? Now, I'm a troll? Seems I must have stepped on one of your four feet along the way.

God, you're a bore.

Yawn.

I double yawn you.

define
keel: to turn or upset so as to bring the wrong side or part uppermost.

Perhaps he's plottin' to Keelhaul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keelhauling) the landlubber (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/landlubber).

Perhaps online pirates would call you a 1337Über (http://www.sciforums.com/encyclopedia/1337%C3%9Cber).

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