Is it Rape?

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by Orleander, Jun 6, 2009.

  1. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Pretend

    My husband tells a friend that we are into bondage and have been toying with acting out a rape fantasy. We've pretended ourselves, but it's just not 'real' enough. He asks him to help with the fantasy. The guy agrees.
    He breaks into the house (through a door my husband left open) and rapes me.
    The thing is, I knew nothing about it. It wasn't my fantasy, it was my husband's fantasy to see me hurt, humiliated, and raped.

    Should the friend be charged with rape?
     
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  3. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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  5. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    im not so sure. assuming the serario you describe is exactly what happened, he acted in good faith and there for shouldnt really be charged with it.

    what about the women who tricked her husband into shooting tha man she was cheating with by crying rape and he got off because he acted in good faith.

    the husband is another matter 20 years isnt enough for destroying 2 lives
     
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  7. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    yes, and your husband would probably go down with him.
     
  8. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I don't think he should be charged as well. The guy was a friend and had no reason not to trust the husband.
    Now what if the guy was a stranger?
     
  9. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    it depends, what if he was a prositute and was paid to do a rape fantasy which turned out to be a real rape?
     
  10. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    If the WOMAN presses charges then YES he should be charged as well as the husband for having him do such a thing without her consent. If she would have consented to it then that's a whole other story, but in this example she did not.
     
  11. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    if i suggest a way to break the law to you and you do it i can certainly be arrested for aiding and abetting.
    it doesn't matter whether friend or foe, the fact remains you never consented to sex with the man who screwed you. that's rape.
    it also doesn't matter what twisted games you want or desire to play.
     
  12. Bebelina kospla.com Valued Senior Member

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    What if you never had a husband who had a friend that didn't trust the "husband", that actually wasn't a friend at all, just someone he picked up on the street, but still decided to refer to as a "friend", before he raped you and watched at the same time?
     
  13. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    umm, I do not understand that question.
     
  14. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    take the other pill.
     
  15. wise acre Registered Senior Member

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    Depends how stupid he was. Note what is implicit: he was to some significant degree stupid. And stupid in a way that is clearly dangerous.

    I would charge him with rape. Grill him and the friend. And see mitigating circumstances where I could.

    I know I could not carry out this 'favor'.

    Hell, I'd be afraid to do it even if I checked in with the wife first. She can always say she changed her mind, which in fact she is allowed to do and the scenario leaves no room for.

    He did not do what some rapists do and the judge should cut him some slack, perhaps quite a bit. But he's 1) a poor judge of character and 2) reckless in the extreme
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  16. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Sex without consent is rape. In this hypothetical scenario, you did not consent to sex with the friend. Therefore...

    Simple.

    Legally, your husband could also be convicted of rape under laws relating to criminal conspiracies.
     
  17. jpappl Valued Senior Member

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    In a perfect world. No.

    The husband should be charged just like if he hired someone to kill her.

    The friend should get his ass kicked.
     
  18. jpappl Valued Senior Member

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    Then, same thing, husband goes down for the crime.

    This time stranger gets ass raped in jail because he had to do 6 months for being an IDIOT who trusted another stranger with a scheme that he should have known was just a set up.
     
  19. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    james i agree with you BUT criminal law also requires intent to comit a crime and in the senario there was no intent. The person was a duped into it and that isnt criminal
     
  20. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Asguard,

    That's no excuse. It would be up to the friend here to make sure the woman consented.
     
  21. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    there is another senario i saw along these same lines from the plot of an NCIS episiode. Guy breaks into women's house and starts to rape her and she shoots him, NCIS investigates and finds emails which suggest that she invited him over and that they shared "rape fantasy" on a sex site. Now the plot gets more complicated but if we stick to this alone its suggested that because she "asked him" to come over (turns out he faked the whole thing and blah but anyway) that its not rape.

    Now in this case the person has acted in good faith and the criminal responcability lies with the husband. Just the same as the criminal responcability in the case of the women who cried rape to get out of being caught with a lover in the car and whos husband there for shot the man lies with the women who cried rape and started the whole situation.
     
  22. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Its rape. You rape a woman because your friend tells you to without ascertaining the womans POV? That makes you a shmuck. If she did not consent to sex with you, its rape. Now the fantasy should be real enough with the rapist going to jail.
     
  23. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    SAM say i hand you a syring with what i say is adrenilin and you in good faith give it to someone having an anaphalatic reaction and it is infact almioderone (stops the heart). Who is guilty of murder?

    Me of course, you acted in good faith. Just because you might not LIKE it doesnt mean there are not women and men who DO like rape fantasys and if the person is tricked into paticipating in a real rape when he\she was lead to belive it was just a rape fantasy doesnt mean they are responcable. The responcable party is the person who knowingly tricked them. Lets say that they went into detail about it including making up a stop word (which is EXACTLY what people into S&M do) how is he surposed to know he is being tricked?
     

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