How can a single subatomic particle exist without God?

Any thoughts?

 

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Nobody can prove God. So stop with that.

 

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explain to me how a subatomic particle can exist

 

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Then you explain to me first how come you make such a request in the first place.

 

It's easy. Imagine that the universe (including this little subatomic particle of yours) is a product of some sort of fundamental quantum mechanical vacuum state. Or whatever you like really. The bottom line is that if something can necessarily exist then something can necessarily exist.

 

"Subatomic particles" are what? Dimensionless points? That have their own properties of creational ability, causal ability, and 'thinking' ability? Do "subatomic particles" have the ability to create algorithms? Like some super-intelligent Borg that existed before intelligent life? The ability to provide impetus for complex and intelligent life? Oh, and all of this by chance? (Or, perhaps I should say, by design?) By "mutation?" An infinity of mutations times an infinity of complexification?

I think my explanation is much simpler and much more elegant.

 

As per that famous quote attributed to Einstein:
Problems cannot be solved on the same level of consciousness they were created on; but on a higher one.

 

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It appears that this quote of yours is also a liberal paraphrasing of the one above. Context is everything.

 

Once, I saw it attributed to Jung.

 

This is coming from some kind of George Berkeley angle, possibly?

Their existing - as in not dependent upon being experienced or exhibited as any kind of phenomenon to the entity itself or to a conscious observer outside it (even as a track on a detection instrument or an abstract description) would just be the power to affect and be affected by other particles or agencies in physics. Potency is at least still left when the empirical content of perception, reflective thought and symbolic frameworks for understanding something, have been removed for representing such influence. Particles that rarely interact, for instance, would not be part of the natural order if they never responded to the presence of anything else at all and vice versa, or were at least susceptible to gravity. They'd never be known about in the first place or verified if they were total ghost particles that defied detection.

Unlike bosons, particles belonging to the fermion category can't occupy the same quantum space, so that would be an additional reason for some of their responsive behaviors. Also, even a supposedly fundamental particle like an electron can actually be split into a spinon and orbiton (recently accomplished), which would just be separated instantiations of an electron's properties (spin and orbital). So even when a particle isn't affecting or being affected by something else in its environment, there are properties constituting it that could be said to be abiding or influencing each other internally (bare existence as potency again).

 

How can God exist without an ubergod who created Him?

Any thoughts?

By your own logic, obviously there must be an ubergod, because that explanation so neatly answers my question. And if you answer is "God always existed and doesn't need a creator," then why wouldn't a similar answer suffice for subatomic particles?

The truth is "God did it" is only a simpler answer if you believe that "God" is a simple being, whose existence, designs and mysteries are easily understood and explained. If you don't think that, then "God did it," is a short sentence that hides vastly complex philosophical and practical issues, far more than the materialist view if a vacuum fluctuation that brings spacetime and energy into being (and it's the natural result of the existence of spacetime and energy that leads to the formation of all the subatomic particles as we know them).

 

Ok... then Jesus is God, and God is UBERGOD.

 

But then you need an Uber-Ubergod.

 

Why?

 

So your explanation is "because of magic"? Yeah, that's real helpful...

 

It only appears simpler, in fact you are placing all the complexity in a mind without explaining how that mind could exist with no foundation or source.

 

He's also implicitly assuming that things like "causal ability" are real things that actually exist whose origin must be explained, rather than just abstract philosophical concepts that exist only in the minds of philosophers.

 

For the same reason you need a god, or an Ubergod. If every particle needs a creator, and a creator needs a creator of its own in turn, then there's no end to how many creators are needed. Point is, you can't argue that the subatomic particle needs a god and then say a god doesn't need a god,