I'm not a supporter of John McCain because of the many idiotic things he's been in favor of (like the McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance "Reform, the Immigration bill, among other things). But there's a lot to like about the guy. Like this quote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNEHMjZ6Pqs
Really?! I'm not grasping the appeal or I missed the joke:shrug: Was it the part where he says "it was a cultural and pharmaceutical event" or he was "tied up at the time" (an inside joke perhaps?)? The fact that he got a semi standing ovation for that confuses me even more. Could you explain it to me, I must have missed something. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Thanks.
He was referring to the drugs that were being given away at Woodstock while the music was being played. He was held prisoner in Vietnam during the Woodstock concert. That was when the Vietnam war was happening too.
Sure, it was clever. But 1) he's not running agianst Clinton 2) it was a slimy way to get his service and POWship in. 3) there was nothing wrong with woodstock. Conservatives have always gotten off on blaming hippies, etc., for all sorts of problems, never noticing that if the late sixties and early 70s are to blame for societal problems, well, the 50s are then to blame for the late sixties and 70s. Being in a POW camp and having served in the Vietnam war might mean good things about someone's character, might mean nothing. Actions (voting, supporting, advocating, etc.) speak louder than events in one's past.
The one thing I give old John credit for is his Service, and the Fact that he was a POW for 5 and 1/2 years, that he refused release when offered by the North Vietnamese; He never broke faith, like the 90 day wonder, John Kerry, he stayed with his fellow soldiers, and supported them just as they supported him.
90 day wonder? The Winter Soldiers weren't soldiers ? Oh well. I wish the righties would make up their mind whether the "hippies" failed because they grew up and became stockbrokers and never followed through, or failed because they corrupted the whole country with their demographic ability to impose their will on what had been a decent country. John McCain would have done more good for his country had he refused to fly in Vietnam and gone to jail in protest of an illegal and very immoral, un-American war. But that is a lot to ask of a military person, and I don't think any less of him for instead serving with great honor and distinction.
If we didn't waste all those American lives in Vietnam, those guys would have enjoyed Woodstock, too.
Ahhh, ok. Makes sense now, thanks! It is kind of funny, but a great quote? I was going to put a bunch of great quotes from former presidents and then the one from Mc Cain but I think most of you can see the irony just by my mentioning itPlease Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Notice how Ron Paul was the only one not clapping....RP is the man!!!! Served 5 years in the service!!!
I would have to agree that's the greatest thing McCain ever said.Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
He's just pointing out the irony in the situation. Back in the sixties some young Americans went to a concert, got stoned, and partied. Meanwhile, John McCain and his compatriots were suffering and dying for their country. Now, all these years later, she seeks to spend millions of dollars to celebrate the guys at the party?
What's the irony? Woodstock is far more worth celebrating than the Vietnam War, and the guys at the party did far more (however little) for the good of their country than the guys who went to Vietnam. Loyatly and integrity and courage and sacrifice should always be honored, but so should doing the right thing.
And as a result, he is one of the few Republicans who have been vocally against the torture and "rendition" of prisoners by the United States. Certainly, he deserves praise for that.
Great. You give him credit for it. My point was it was kind of slimy the way he used it as a sound bite. He sold his experience cheap there. He has a long record as a politician and he is an intelligent man and a good speaker. Why not show he is a good leader rather than telling or rather slimily implying he must be one. Imagine if Kerry had hidden out in the National Guard and George Bush had served in exactly the same way Kerry had. Conservatives would have gone nuclear and laughed their heads off at the same time if any Dems tried to work that angle. Conservatives and Bush should be hiding under a rock from shame on that one.
Well since they were raised in the late forties and 50s it must have been those conservative, stale values that corrupted them.
(My emphasis.) This is apples and oranges. Some powerful selfish and ultimately stupid people sent generally poor americans to die and kill and be maimed FOR THEIR OWN INTERESTS. Other people who did not do this had an amazing experience that did not contribute to the suffering of those who served.
That's clear. And it good you word it that way, though I suspect it is sarcastic. They had different values and a different sense of honor. As did many of the veterans who came back from the war, having gotten it over there that the war was not what it was supposed to be, was not about honor, was not serving the country and was often, even systematically immoral in ways some other wars have not been.
