I'm sure almost everyone is familiar with the issue at this point.

If not, please read THIS (http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=34376) and THIS (http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=36270).

Make certain you also check out all links provided in those threads.


We'll see if sentiment has changed since the last motion failed.

Just a little warning:
Be advised that this is a public poll: other users can see the choice(s) you selected.

When you do this, people won't vote or won't vote what they feel is the correct choice.

I totally agree with that CC, but on the other hand you can see if there are any fake votes.

It is a dilemma.

True, spurious. But Porfiry can always check the votes. And sometimes he doesn't have time to do so... So it's a bit like a double edged sword, I guess.

I'll sit this one out because people shouldn't know what I vote for on this particular subject.

I don't care this time. He went to far with the Holohoax comment.

see this thread:
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=35587

Well, that is a little too far. And I mean very far. That's just damn offensive period! What the hell? I'll vote.

Fucking Americans this is an Australian forum and these wankers are turning this into their own propaganda forum .

I don't care this time. He went to far with the Holohoax comment.

see this thread:
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=35587
I agree with you fully on this one monkey. He went way too far with that statement. I'm voting yes because of that statement. :mad:

Fucking Americans this is an Australian forum and these wankers are turning this into their own propaganda forum .
Numbnuts, this is not an Australian forum.

Fucking Americans this is an Australian forum and these wankers are turning this into their own propaganda forum .

Fucking muslims. Why don't you go post more propaganda in WE&P? Oh, and it's a Canadian forum.

Yeah everyone vote yes this time, that was really cute and funny how we voted no last time, but lets be serious, he obviously has to go.
And once he's gone we can focus on banning Brian Foley.

Dr Lou has it about right. I believe in free speech. I'll support the KKK's right to speak, but when they start throwing stones and lynching black people... It's time to go.

I voted -yes- not because of holohoax, just dislike close minded fanatics and I had nothing better to do :cool:
edit: if my vote turns out to be the breaking one, Porfiry is free to discount it

"I don't care this time. He went to far with the Holohoax comment.

see this thread:
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=35587"

i agree, and im putting in my vote as yes

tho didnt he get banned b4 as proud syrian, cant he just come back as proud muslim1

Proud Syrian was a different member. All anti-semetic fanatics act the same.

Are you sure about that?


Is it a coincidence that their names are the same?

And that PM is from Syria?

And that their post style is exactly the same?

And that PM started when PS stopped posting?

It's a lot of coincidence, I know. But, and for the sake of having a fair vote, I will state that they're not the same person. At least their IP's do not match.

I've heard pm say he decided to change his name to pm from ps to make it a little clearer how adamantly m he is. I don't think he's ever been banned.

Then that would explain why the name Proud_Syrian doesn't show up in the database. I couldn't find PS' name, but I could check PM's and he didn't match anyone.

In any case, I still say ban.

>> Fucking muslims.

And this from a moderator. I say CC is not suitable to be a moderator... he is religiously biased... SHAMEFUL attitude.

aHe/she ought to be impartial.

Thumbs down.

Ban zarkov, after brian... is someone writing a list?

I am an Australian, and those who wish to fuck up MY world are MY enemies.

It is the BS that gets slagged around here re religion, as if each of you is pure and totally correct that makes this world stink..... grow up... extinction is forever.... and he who threatens MY children, will become extinct.

Mark these words and think very very deeply.

Dialogue is the only way to see both sides and gain the empathy for all living things that most of you obviously totally lack.

BAN EVERYONE! http://piparmetra.serveris.lv/forum/images/smiles/evilplan.gif

is that even possible avatar?

can the creator of the website get banned???

he can delete him self, DELETE EVERYONE

I am an Australian, and those who wish to fuck up MY world are MY enemies.

It is the BS that gets slagged around here re religion, as if each of you is pure and totally correct that makes this world stink..... grow up... extinction is forever.... and he who threatens MY children, will become extinct.

Mark these words and think very very deeply.

Dialogue is the only way to see both sides and gain the empathy for all living things that most of you obviously totally lack.
It would help if you made sense. And please don't bandy the 'I am an Australian' around so much. You're giving the rest of us who happen to be Australian on here a bad name.

Has anyone here threatened your world and your children? Having just glanced through this thread again, I fail to see where such a threat was made.

Is he not entitled to his opinion that the Holocaust was a hoax? I don't agree with him in the slightest, but we have people here expressing all sorts of conspiracy theories that may or may not be true. The fact remains that no one has solid numbers on the Holocaust, so it leaves it open to a lot of people for interpretation. He didn't say, "I hate Jews." he called the Holocaust, a Holohoax.

You have a racist, sexist, foul-mouthed moderator who you still think should be a moderator and yet you want to ban a member for stating his opinion on history? Do you realize how backwards that is, or is it just me? You can't support it in a moderator, and chastise a member for it. What forum rule did he break? What did he do specifically that deserves your moral outrage? How is that different from people debunking other points in history, or mocking the Vietnam war?

If you want to be offended about the portrayal of the Holocaust, try the PETA site; Holocaust on Your Plate. (http://www.masskilling.com/)

Maybe the people who want PM out, also have a problem with xev?

http://sciforums.spuriousmonkey.com/pm_spuriousmonkey.gif

Maybe the people who want PM out, also have a problem with xev?


I don't think either of them should be banned, but I do think Xev has no place as a moderator.

Why not merely vote ban (or not) and then don't have a discussion long inaccurate discussion about it.

BTW, down with freedom of speech !!! :)

>> Fucking muslims.

And this from a moderator. I say CC is not suitable to be a moderator... he is religiously biased... SHAMEFUL attitude.

aHe/she ought to be impartial.

Thumbs down.

So wait, Brian Foley can say "Fucking Americans" and call us wankers? So I'm not allowed to say "fucking Muslims"? Well, fucking Muslims. My fucking fault I offended some rag-head. I'm sorry that I offended your double standard.

Call me a fucking American, or a wanker, and you're going to hear the words “fucking Muslim” and rag-head used in a sentence.

And the racist comment. Damn, I am racist. I'm so racist that I've even defended PM in the past and voted against things like this.

And this from a moderator. I say CC is not suitable to be a moderator... he is religiously biased... SHAMEFUL attitude.

aHe/she ought to be impartial.

So, he can't say anything whilst you get to speak your shit?
So what if he has a different religion ...
It is people like you that forge this shity society. "Ohh, he is a muslim. Lets give him all the money in the world so that he does not call us a racist" and "Ohh, he is gay. Lets give him a house." and last but not least "i think i broke a nail"

Get your act together Zarkov. Special treatment? The only special treatment i can think of is to the worse and not for the better. The world should be ruled by the elite and not the other way around.
Call me a racist too if you want to. I for one would prefer a country like USA rather than a country where they live in clay houses.

It would help if you made sense. And please don't bandy the 'I am an Australian' around so much. You're giving the rest of us who happen to be Australian on here a bad name.
Has anyone here threatened your world and your children
Why is an ozzy worried about a threat to his children, apparently not enough children are being born in oz so they are gonna get paid 1000 dollars for every child they have, why worry?

On the subject of ban PM why does everyone keep bringing it up? Leave him here he's a laugh, we get to see all the rubbish he posts this way, i think its better to leave him be, he doesnt hurt anyone but himself with his posts.

He is not a "laugh" for everyone. He is highly offensive to many.

He is not a "laugh" for everyone. He is highly offensive to many.

Funny, you defended Xev for doing the exact same thing.

I don't see how Xev's beliefs, be they objectionable or not, relate to her current capacity.
She does her job.

PM's beliefs are irrelevant. His mode of expressing those beliefs is offensive.

PM is uncreative, a broken record. What's worse, almost all his threads are variations on the "my god's better than yours" theme, usually featuring nothing but a cut and pasted article and a link.


Xev is typically playful and taken too seriously by many.

PM is never playful and never taken seriously enough.


Besides, Xev does her job as moderator, as I stated.
This is a different case. PM is not a moderator and basically does nothing productive on this site.

While you see her as playful, many people see her as extremely offensive. Why is it okay for one person and not another? Xev is even an admitted racist.

Is he still not entitled to his own opinion? Is he hurting anyone? I'll even use the same idiotic argument others have used in the Xev thread. If you are so easily offended by words on an internet site, then you are too sensitive and need to grow up, and toughen up and get over it.

Racism? The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others (Dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=racist))?

So what?

She admitted it.


PM doesn't admit anything. He shoves whatever he believes down everybody's throat, frequently using a multicolored menagerie of propagandist links.



I guess this is a question of who is more offensive to whom.
Well, then it's up to the voters to decide.

So is this the way it's going to go around SFOG? Just beg and whine and moan over and over and over again until you win one?

I'm very proud of this topic and its supporters. You've managed to go lower than my expectations of human beings generally allows. I hadn't actually thought that possible, since online argumentation is one of the benchmarks of that boundary. But ... live and learn.

Proud Syrian was a different member.

I don't think so.

Numbnuts, this is not an Australian forum.
Funny this is a dead give away .
sciforums is managed by David Watanabe in Melbourne, Aus

Brian, this forum is run by a Canadian living in Australia. I've been a member for a while, and Porfiry (The owner of this board) used to live in Canada. Porf is in Melbourne for university, soon he will return to the beautiful city of Vancouver Canada.

Fucking Americans this is an Australian forum and these wankers are turning this into their own propaganda forum .
Thank god you don't try and do the same ;)

Ah...I see that you want to keep PM around for amusement value. Or is it because it shows the potential true face of islam?

I want to keep him around because he hasn't broken forum rules, and because he only offended some people with his words. (the same people in some cases that say that you shouldn't be hurt by words in the Xev thread) He still has a right to his opinion, and it's not an opinion that is radical in any way because there are lots of others that hold the same opinion. This ban thread is the same as the last, and obviously brought about by someone who just can't let it go. How many ban PM threads have there been?

Why is PM being held to a different standard than the rest of the posters? I think it's because he represents something you people don't like... a differing opinion and is unafraid of showing it.

uh no...don't flatter him so much please. A different opinion...he parrots other peoples opinions from muslim websites. That is all he does.



There are already plenty muslim propaganda forums and websites.

If you are so interested in that, just go there.

I never stated that I was interested in it, and I never stated that his opinion was original. I just stated that it was different than most people's on these forums.

In fact, I disagree with most of what he says, but that has no bearing on his right to say it. Why do others here have the right to state their opinions (right or wrong, original or copied) and PM does not?

Why do others here have the right to state their opinions (right or wrong, original or copied) and PM does not?

Nobody has the right to post here whatever they want.

No. But what rules has he broken?

And, I'd like to know from the moderators how many of his posts have to be deleted or edited. How much time is spent moderating PM. If it's a lot, then I'd support banning him.

PM does more to drag islam into the mud than any 10 anti islamists could ever do :D

I have an economical reason for porfiry to ban PM actually.


Because of the all these muslim propaganda threads all the google adverts are other muslim propaganda pages.

But who will click on those?

PM alreay has them bookmarked.

his ranting makes me laugh.i voted no.its only a forum,if you don`t like his posts don`t read them.mind you PM,i think you need to have a great big sh@t,maybe that will stop it coming out of your mouth so much!

No. Because my vote makes it a tie again.

flouting the rules is not necessary as a reason when it is hatred that motivates the proponents of this ban thread.

rappacini is probably the sickest individual i had the misfortune to come across on this board.

Is probably?

You're not certain, doctor?

i have but encountered a minute fraction of posters here. however if you are willing to vouch for yourself as the sickest, i will be happy to take your word for it.

you obvious hypocrisy which arditezza points out so clearly disgusts me. you are sick AND sad.

Once we have these anti-propaganda rules, then would PM be in violation of the rules enough to banish him?

however if you are willing to vouch for yourself as the sickest, i will be happy to take your word for it.

Of course... if...

Have I yet done so?

I have not yet given my word on this or anything at all, agree?


Do you want to hear about my childhood now? Maybe you can diagnose me.

you obvious hypocrisy which arditezza points out so clearly disgusts me.

Well, I've already given a response to that, and, as you did not addess it, I'll respectfully ignore your assertion.


EDIT:

Once we have these anti-propaganda rules, then would PM be in violation of the rules...

That would be ex post facto, though.

He'd have to continue doing it.

Of course... if...

Have I yet done so?

I have not yet given my word on this or anything at all, agree?

that is a rather pathetic attempt at assertiveness. you pretend conflict where there is none.
allow me to coerce you in kind. it will serve as an illustration on just how ridiculous that bit is.

1+1=2
CAN WE AGREE ON THAT?

do you get it, imbecile? i never asserted that you have done anything and neither have you asserted that the numbers do not add up to 2

it is a fantasy that exists only in your head.

Do you want to hear about my childhood now? Maybe you can diagnose me.

very impressive! a comeback that has me postively reeling.
however mr rappacini, there is a wealth of material in this thread i prefer to focus on (and really more relevant AND much more fun). you can hang on to your bedwetting and stinky diapers for the time being

Well, I've already given a response to that, and, as you did not addess it, I'll respectfully ignore your assertion.

you mean where you make bogus distinctions between the two? xev admits, pm does not? thus, a ban is in order? very well. i had not expected you to be a masochist. but if it is pain you seek, i shall address the unaddressed. soon.

I think that Proud Muslim is a genius! Long Live Allah!!

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that is a rather pathetic attempt at assertiveness. you pretend conflict where there is none.
allow me to coerce you in kind. it will serve as an illustration on just how ridiculous that bit is.

1+1=2
CAN WE AGREE ON THAT?

do you get it, imbecile? i never asserted that you have done anything and neither have you asserted that the numbers do not add up to 2

it is a fantasy that exists only in your head.

I was simply commenting. Might as well make small talk, see?

You read way to deeply into things. Maybe you should quit being so uptight.

It's kind of weird.

however mr rappacini, there is a wealth of material in this thread i prefer to focus on (and really more relevant AND much more fun).

Where?


you can hang on to your bedwetting and stinky diapers for the time being

Are you trying to irritate me or what?




I'll play doctor now:



Since your first post in this thread, I think, you've attacked me.


Overly aggressive, don't you suppose?


Tell me about your childhood.

Tell me, when you played carnival games, did you never get the prize?
How did that make you feel?
Sad? Angry?



Look.

http://www.restassured.com/images/inkblot.gif

What do you see here?

A dog?

Your mother?

Does it seem frightening or appealing to you?




Ah, time's up.
My receptionist will give you the bill.

i shall address the unaddressed. soon.

That's OK, buddyroo.


EDIT:

... and if you don't (if, mind you), it'll be OK too.

So wait, Brian Foley can say "Fucking Americans" and call us wankers? So I'm not allowed to say "fucking Muslims"? Well, fucking Muslims. My fucking fault I offended some rag-head. I'm sorry that I offended your double standard.

Call me a fucking American, or a wanker, and you're going to hear the words “fucking Muslim” and rag-head used in a sentence.

does this "wanker" even understand what it is to be a moderator? what is with the moderation in this site? here you have a moderator openly advocating flame wars and nobody blinks an eye?

utterly astounding!

if the tos is violated, do an edit, give a warning etc. do NOT make matters worse.
do NOT stoop to the level of the infractor. do NOT be divisive in your moderation.

i recommend this moderator be relieved from his duties. he is clearly unfit.

how does one go about creating a poll? is there a faq?

Oh Shit! I forgot...

I think that Proud Muslim is a genius! Long Live Allah!!

That`s better. :D

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Fucking hell, I'm so disappointed in everyone, i thought finally the dirtbag would be removed, didn't you read my 'its not funny to vote no' speach? Jesus fucking christ. I guess we'll just have to make another one.

Dr Lou, you changed my mind. I don't know if that counts or not.

It should be taken into consideration that the people who voted yes really really want him gone while many of the people who voted no are just like "let him stay :p I'm in a good mood today lol" :mad:
Surely their votes should be wrapped around a large stone and thrown back at their skulls, cracking them on impact, its just common sense.

I'm abstaining because I don't think it's right to start ban polls over and over again until you get the result you want. It's debatable about how one would work this. If a member wins out in a ban poll, but continues to break rules, it's conceivable to be able to start a new poll based on the new infractions (and the new infractions only). But, I don't have a strong feeling on this either way, so I'll just bow out.

I really wish that Proud Muslim would get his act together; but, realistically, he most likely won't.

does this "wanker" even understand what it is to be a moderator? what is with the moderation in this site? here you have a moderator openly advocating flame wars and nobody blinks an eye?

Yes, I understand what it is to be a moderator. Flame wars? No. A sarcastic comment? Yes.

utterly astounding!

Worse has been said (It's a holohoax!).

do NOT stoop to the level of the infractor. do NOT be divisive in your moderation.

I'm not.

i recommend this moderator be relieved from his duties. he is clearly unfit.

You've been here for three days and you've already got everything figured out, don't you? You don't know how I moderate my section. You don't even know how to post a poll. You probably don't even know what forums I moderate. And you want me gone?

Something is wrong with the picture when someone can say "Fucking Americans" and I can't say "Fucking Muslims" right back. Right now, in this forum; I am not a mod. But when I step into Scifi, World Events, or Politics, I throw that mod hat on and I do my job. I do it in a non-bias format too.

Your inability to see past your own double standard has me baffled. "He can't say that, but I can!"

"Fucking Americans this is an Australian forum"

theres a difference between Americans and Australians now???

im with you coffee. i got nothing agaisnt MOST muslims, (as in, theres one that i dont like), but if that guy can be racist then you can be religionist - or wateva its called

im with you coffee. i got nothing agaisnt MOST muslims, (as in, theres one that i dont like), but if that guy can be racist then you can be religionist - or wateva its called

I'm glad you understand, Alain. However, I'm not a racist (PM is an anti-semite, though). I don't really care that he's Muslim, or from Syria, or if Brian Foley is from bumfuck nowhere. If he can say "Fucking Americans" and call us "Wankers" then I can say "Fucking Muslims" and "Rag-head".

Thank you for understanding.

i do not have anything against any group, i have something against individuals. That is not racism. However, i do believe that induviduals from the arab world and eastern europe are a greater source of bad things in this world than induviduals from Etc USA or Sweden as me. That is atleast how it is in Sweden, can't speak for the rest of the world.

That is atleast how it is in Sweden, can't speak for the rest of the world.

I have never felt as safe before in my life as I feel in Finland.

>> Something is wrong with the picture when someone can say "Fucking Americans" and I can't say "Fucking Muslims" right back.

Wow sophist logic here....

(a) an American, Australian is a term for a group of people living in a country... no religion here... it is an objective statement
(b) Muslim is a religious term and IMO it is a subjective statement that can and is by LAW assumed to be an extremely offensive comment.

You wish to sell apples as oranges ? the law will haul you up.

Please CC as a moderator do not become and arms merchant and sell nukes as pea shooters......

Remember each poster has a style, let their style flow,,,, who is mature enough here to be tolerant and actually interact in a meaningful way.

Religion is an act of faith..... people just believe......and kill for their fantasy..... but can you or I stop that...

YES we can, science is reality education.... listen and present data, and slowly modify opinion, after all your opinion is within your power.....

>> I have never felt as safe before in my life as I feel in Finland.

LOL, the northern hemisphere is almost atomspherically isolated from the southern hemisphere...... if a fart occurs up there you will smell it.... whereas in Tasmania we maintain the cleanest air in the world. :)

>> Worse has been said (It's a holohoax!).

This is a testable statement, fact or fiction, there is nothing offensive about fact.

Einstein was a hoax,,, see the pattern?

holohoax? :rolleyes: big deal...

Einstein was a hoax,,, see the pattern?

Yes, but Einstein was smart.

I'm sick and tired of PM's antics. I go to school and some shithead purposely comes up to me because I'm Jewish and starts prattling on about Hitler being great (because his ethnic cleansing led to the creation of Israel). Some kid threw a piece of dirty cloth on my head and said "Wear it! You're Jewish!"

So when I come on these forums and see someone like PM saying the Holocaust was a hoax, it just sends me over the edge. My whole father's side of the family was wiped out, and I know this has nothing to do with PM as a poster, but I just wanted to express the distress this person causes me. I left for months because I didn't want to be in a forum where behaviour like PM's is encouraged.

Much like the shitheads I know personally, he isn't even provoked, he's not defending his own religion, he's simply attacking another. It's malicious and disgusting. Ban him for no other reason than he's the biggest fucking idiot I have ever seen.

What?! that is outrageous! I can't believe this kind of extreme racism and discrimination is happening in our modern society! I personally have never seen such rudeness and ignorance in my area before. I am sorry to hear that you have gone through this kind of experience, and I am sorry to hear about the history of your family. Personally, I strongly oppose any racist remarks and discrimination, and am against the belief that one religion is better than another. Don't worry about PM, he likes to defend his religion by offending others. that's just him, he's hypocritical. He asks for respect but gives none to others.
As for banning PM, I voted yes, but I dont really care now, he is indeed kind of an amusement for us because of his "unique" perspectives. He's a "star" in here.:p:D

If he can say "Fucking Americans" and call us "Wankers" then I can say "Fucking Muslims" and "Rag-head".

Anybody else recognise this line from preschool? LOL. You can do what you want; its more what you ought to do that is important. :bugeye:

Sheesh.

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p.s. Hello again Lou. Long time no see mate. Still spouting your kerazee shit? :D

Don't Ban the muslim, jeezuz. I mean do we talk about birds in here? Thats fucked up, The day i see this, is the day cows can fly.

b.s

from the rules:

2) Votes from members with less than 10 posts will be ignored with the intent of limiting cheating.

I counted at least one offender: Wasdakka. I didn't check the rest. How real is the poll at the moment or did it turn into a 'get a friend to register and vote for you' competition?

I noticed a few people (Slotty) who voted against banning PM, and slotty has under 10 votes. I believe that it should be raised to 250, or even 500 posts to vote. And filter has 16 posts. How can someone be objective about this whole thing if they've only been for a few days and barely participate in anything?

does this "wanker" even understand what it is to be a moderator? what is with the moderation in this site? here you have a moderator openly advocating flame wars and nobody blinks an eye?

utterly astounding!

if the tos is violated, do an edit, give a warning etc. do NOT make matters worse.
do NOT stoop to the level of the infractor. do NOT be divisive in your moderation.

This poll is only been done because of racism towards this particular posters Arab origins .

i recommend this moderator be relieved from his duties. he is clearly unfit.

Im with you .

I didn't know arabs were a race.

edit: oh and I remind again the moderators to not count my vote.
I was bored to death and had nothing better to do when I voted.
I think that PM should stay. He's harmless

The term Arab nations was coined by Saddam Hussein in order to unite all who would be consicered Arabs to support him. Just like Jews were again considered as a single nation because of Hitler (this part I'm not sure of, but they thought of themselves as parts of nations with which they lived up until this point).

It's an online forum.
PM may be an extremist with a distorted perception of reality but that's no excuse to shut him down.
Not planning on quitting till you get him banned?

coffee,i have been visiting this site for about a year,i am a registered user,and i belive this allows me to take part in all areas of this forum.how would you feel if the same was said to you ,that you are irrelevant just by the the number of posts you make.remember,you started here with zip posts once!i find sciforums one of the best sites on the net,so allow me to be myself here,if i wish to post i will.if i don`t i won`t .

just to make it to ten posts....!!

I havnt been here long enough so no voting for me but ....

i cant help but feel that a lot of you would be much more bored if PM wasnt around whether you get wound up or not.
Ive seen boards remove supposed trouble makers before and those boards end up becoming a bit boring to be honest. I think you would enjoy the discussion so much more if they did not degenerate into personal attacks.
I am sure PM would be happy to discuss all angles and opinions peacefully if they do not contain hatred and bigotry.
Just my observation.

what's funny is that some morons associate the desire to ban him with the fact that he is muslim. LOL. as if that has shit to do with that.

i don't see people rallying to ban the other muslims on the board. perhaps it's that he's obnoxious, annoying, stupid and entirely free of logical thought?

his only saving grace is that he's occasionally charming (a smidge at least).

i say it isn't worth it, but that's just my opinion.



seems to me though, that extremists in any part of life tend to do exactly what PM does, all the time. they latch onto their cause so much that if you insult them, it must be because of their cause, and not just that they're an asshat to begin with.

maybe even, and this is gonna sound crazy... maybe even it's that they latch onto their belief so hard because they're an asshat. there's no defense for being a piece of shit like that, so they use their adopted cause to weild off attacks, stating that the attacker (or defender, depending on how you look at it) is simply "a hater" of their cause, when in fact, their cause has shit to do with anything excepting of how they make that cause look bad.

goddamn i hate those people.

goddamn i hate those people

Anti-asshat-ist!

I voted that PM should be banned because I believe that he is contributing to the heat-death of sciforums.

"Yeah, that's entropy, man." - Flanders

goddamn wesmorris...


I like that post.

wesmorris

what's funny is that some morons associate the desire to ban him with the fact that he is muslim. LOL. as if that has shit to do with that.

do you claim to be aware of the pro ban individual's motivations and desires? if so, how? all i see is an individual propounding his point of view. the points could be refuted. case then would be closed. attempting to ban as a result of these views implies an agenda which could include as a reason, his religion and race.

i think it would be prudent not to divine another's motivation. of course perhaps you are psychic. perhaps again you could simply be a racist white pig dying to put the sandniggers in their place

i don't see people rallying to ban the other muslims on the board. perhaps it's that he's obnoxious, annoying, stupid and entirely free of logical thought?

do the other muslims make similar political statements? are they involved activists as proud muslim appears to be? if so, who?

seems to me though, that extremists in any part of life tend to do exactly what PM does, all the time. they latch onto their cause so much that if you insult them, it must be because of their cause, and not just that they're an asshat to begin with.

i understand and agree with this. it is know as the politics of victimhood and the adoption of this as a political strategy is ultimately self defeating. there are short term rewards though. what is exploited in this system are feelings of guilt, shame and political correctness.

when proud muslim expects a condemnation from the respondants to his "kill al muslims" thread, all he is doing is settling for empty rhetoric.

this is the same thing that was offered to him by his leaders when they use anti west slogans in order to placate and distract the masses from their injustices and abuses. it is how dictators stay in power.

this is what they are used to. arabs are complete and utter sheep. i recommend to proud muslim...enough of the rhetoric. bring me back the head of a white infidel pig. post the picture here. then i know you are worthy. kick off the revolution and please..slaughter en masse.

i think you are giving PM too much credit. He is just an asshole with a fondness of quoting muslim propaganda threads.

He is an empty shell.

the society as i want it is further away because of people like PM. That is my reason.
wesmorris, your post was very accurate actually but with one modification.

I do not mind muslims. I have many of them in my class and we get along just fine. laughing, working together, you name it.
But however they do not say that they are proud to be muslims and they do not claim politically incorrect things. I voted to ban him because he was proud to be a part of a particular group.
After all i could say that i was a "Proud Aryan" but i don't. See what i mean?

To me the arab world have inherited the third reich.

do you claim to be aware of the pro ban individual's motivations and desires? if so, how?

It appears to you that I'm speaking for someone other than myself?

all i see is an individual propounding his point of view.

Then maybe you're blind?

the points could be refuted. case then would be closed.

LOL. Yeah that works with someone like him. Did you not read my objection? Here it is again for you:

he's obnoxious, annoying, stupid and entirely free of logical thought?

You see, that is the sign of someone with whom debate, let alone a basic, human discussion is completely impossible.

That's what I see.

(EDIT: Note that I might suggest the possibility that regardless of the specifics of the objections of the inviduals suggesting his ban, the points above are likely the root of the objections. People have a tendency to put things in their own terms you know. IOW, people have layers on top of this root complaint. They may not state the root specifically, but it's there nonetheless)

attempting to ban as a result of these views implies an agenda which could include as a reason, his religion and race.

Oh? Perhaps you've "divined" this agenda? How so? Of course an honest "this guy is a useless jerk" can't be that simple eh? It's got to be about race or religion? Well, it will be if you insist it is... but only to you.

i think it would be prudent not to divine another's motivation.
But yet you apparenetly indulge anyway. how consistent.

perhaps again you could simply be a racist white pig dying to put the sandniggers in their place.
Do you have evidence to support that? Perhaps you shouldn't divine other peoples motivations? :rolleyes:

i don't see people rallying to ban the other muslims on the board. perhaps it's that he's obnoxious, annoying, stupid and entirely free of logical thought?

do the other muslims make similar political statements? are they involved activists as proud muslim appears to be? if so, who?

Flores comes to mind.

there are short term rewards though. what is exploited in this system are feelings of guilt, shame and political correctness.
Indeed, a completely dishonest, disgusting exploitation. I don't think people who habitually utilize those tactics should be tolerated on a discussion board.

when proud muslim expects a condemnation from the respondants to his "kill al muslims" thread, all he is doing is settling for empty rhetoric.

Do you think he'd be outraged if someone said "kill all jews"? Perhaps we should refrain from divining his answer?

kick off the revolution and please..slaughter en masse.

*shrug*

A little late don't you think?

I voted "yes" because I no longer can stand the behaviour of PM. As people said before, his post are somewhat annoying, consisting of various quotes from religious texts and a lot of propaganda.
I do not have a problem with his religion or his "cause" or whatever, but I got a problem with his behaviour.

I would also echo what wesmorris wrote.

WESMORRIS

It appears to you that I'm speaking for someone other than myself?

yes. when you write... "what's funny is that some morons associate the desire to ban him with the fact that he is muslim." you are asserting that this is not the case. you are asserting that the ban votes has nothing to do with religion.
i now ask you again, how do you know this? did the pro ban folks explicitly indicate to you that religion was not a consideration? if so, do you accept their explanations without question? you expect that thier prejudices will be aired out in the open?

what naivety

to further clarify; if you speak for yourself, you would write..."what's funny is that some morons associate MY desire to ban him with the fact that he is muslim."

however what we have is; "what's funny is that some morons associate THE desire to ban him with the fact that he is muslim."+

the desire to ban is present in the 20 individuals that cast the 20 votes to ban him. you presume to speak for them. you presume to know their intent. you DEVINE their motivations by stating that, for them, religion is NOT a possible source of discrimination. those that do so are "morons"

Then maybe you're blind?

in that case whose views is he propounding? if they were originally another's, what prevents the muslim from adopting them as his own? why should this be an issue in the first place?

LOL. Yeah that works with someone like him. Did you not read my objection? Here it is again for you:

allow me to introduce a word of advice


Your eyes can't skip over her posts, eh? Some mysterious force is compelling you to read every word?

one could further report posts and allow the moderator some latitude in handling the situation. overreacting and calling for bans make one very suspect imo. i would imagine emotional issues to be at the cause of these ban threads. hatred and variations therof thus fits as a possible (and probable) explanation.

he's obnoxious, annoying, stupid and entirely free of logical thought?

the solution in this case is at your end. to blame your mental instability on another individual's posting style and content is a copout. even if the muslim departs, rest assured there always will be others to take his place. thus i think it would be far more effective to simply disengage from that which disturbs your fragile sense of equanamity.

therapy is also an option

You see, that is the sign of someone with whom debate, let alone a basic, human discussion is completely impossible.

again, it is amazing that you seek to converse with one that you hold in such contempt. can you not see where the problem lies? chasing after a utopian like environment is unrealistic and is doomed to failure. you are practically guaranteed constant strife. in light of this, i suspect it is individuals like the muslim that justify your mode of existence on this board. perhaps even in real life too.

you NEED to hate.

That's what I see.

then maybe you are blind.

Oh? Perhaps you've "divined" this agenda? How so? Of course an honest "this guy is a useless jerk" can't be that simple eh?

it almost never is that simple. an individual's status, when compressed in the manner you demonstrate, always begs the question...WHY? a dynamic then has to be taken into account, not only do i have to consider the muslim, i have to also consider YOU! so ....from your "piece of shit" response to my "off with all their heads" remark that occured in another thread, i suspect you are a patriot (perhaps a wannabe soldier), a definite redneck.

i can now deduce the source of your discomfort with the muslim

look ma! no hands, no hands!
no divination required either

But yet you apparenetly indulge anyway. how consistent.

point out again what i have divined and i will attempt to explain simple logic

Do you have evidence to support that? Perhaps you shouldn't divine other peoples motivations

what part of a tentative,"you could be" do you not understand? can you distinguish between that and a definitive,"you are"?

Do you think he'd be outraged if someone said "kill all jews"? Perhaps we should refrain from divining his answer?

complete non sequiter. i dare you to integrate this with the quote utilized

A little late don't you think

i am not sure, i actually envision the eventual fall of monarchs and dictators. (and that definitely includes your kind, white pig!)

WESMORRIS

(EDIT: Note that I might suggest the possibility that regardless of the specifics of the objections of the inviduals suggesting his ban, the points above are likely the root of the objections. People have a tendency to put things in their own terms you know. IOW, people have layers on top of this root complaint. They may not state the root specifically, but it's there nonetheless)


so the imbecile once again engages in another self serving spin
so the imbecile acknowledges that religion may be a factor in a ban vote
so the imbecile once again states that his reasons, termed as the "root complaint" are also, thier reasons.

ommmmmm! om shivaaaaaa!
i divine that.."They may not state the root specifically, but it's there nonetheless"

ommm! 50 shekels for his omnipotence pleeze!

White pig eh?

And you say it's ME that needs to hate?

LOL.

You're a joke.

Hathor, do you have a problem with white people?

Spurious:

Obviously since I find PM to be a useless bastard, I want to force you to feel the same way and it's all because I NEED to hate because I'm a white pig who hates arabs and muslims.

Don't you know anything? Sheez.

Spurious:

Obviously since I find PM to be a useless bastard, I want to force you to feel the same way and it's all because I NEED to hate because I'm a white pig who hates arabs and muslims.

Don't you know anything? Sheez.

oh ok...so i actually like the guy?

oh ok...so i actually like the guy?

oh wait I forgot to divine that.

*curses*

But now it is all too late and I am a white racist because of you?

can't we just ban PM so that the discussion will stop.

don't say that there are more No votes than Yes votes cause i don't want to hear it, i just wan't him banned.

But now it is all too late and I am a white racist because of you?

I'm not sure. I think I'm the white racist (pig I mean) and you are just a pawn in my evil plan, a "sheep" if you will. Maybe it's the other way around.

My divination unit is malfunctioning.

As soon as this thread is closed I will start a poll on:

'should PM be more tightly moderated'


because I am a white racist sheep.

This poll is only been done because of racism towards this particular posters Arab origins.

Wrong, buddy.

This poll is because he's an unoriginal, spam-spewing "asshat," as Wes put it.

So, Wes, how's the kingdom coming along. Downtrodden any peasants lately? We white pigs sure have it nice, eh? A kingdom for every white pig...

Hathor, do you have a problem with white people?

just the burnin', lootin', rapin' torturing, murdering and invading kind
yep! those kinda white pigs and their supporters

i hope you do not hold that against me

Downtrodden any peasants lately?

keep with the times, kid. the question is..posed with any arab corpses today?

http://truthout.org/imgs.art_01/3.abu-g.052004a_sm.jpg

or perhaps...tortured any arabs today?

http://truthout.org/imgs.art_01/3.abu-g.051705_sm.jpg

ahh, these playful americans

...And filter has 16 posts.

17. And counting. :cool:

What's the matter coffee, finding it difficult to stomach disagreement? I couldn't give a flying shite whether my vote is counted or not, except that under sciforum's own rubric it states clearly that 10 posts is adequate to participate in a vote. Basically I called you out for behaving like a brattish infant...your reaction was interesting. Pulling authority by flashing your post numbers. How vulgar. :eek:

I read some of PillockMuslim's more 'out there' posts and still think that he should stay. Freedom of speech (IMO) includes freedom to say things that people do not like to hear. It includes saying things you all won't agree with. It includes spouting revolting invective and parading lies as truth (PM's speciality it seems). Get over it. Grow up. Yadda.

f

What's the matter coffee, finding it difficult to stomach disagreement?

I have a life. Oh, and I'm right. 20 other people believe that as well.

Spurious, he's already 'tightly moderated'. I have him on my watch list, same goes for other members.

So, Wes, how's the kingdom coming along. Downtrodden any peasants lately? We white pigs sure have it nice, eh? A kingdom for every white pig...

Well I kick every peasant I can, you know, because they're all arabs er I mean muslims (what's the difference eh?). It's the need to hate that fuels me. I mean people come up to me and they're all like "hey asshat, why did you kick that peasant". Then I kick them and remind them "hey man, gotta hate sumthin." Then I shrug and walk away to kick some more stuff.

Someday, if I get to really really hating good, I'll start calling them sand-niggers and maybe even brutally saw off their heads. Because that's what civilized haters do apparently.

*rolls tape*

*slides you some pigskin* (handjive I mean)

:rolleyes:

It's hard to believe that one's perspective on this issue could be so skewed as to draw from this that I hate muslims or arabs. As a matter of fact it kind of fits the bill of my post from earlier that spurious said he enjoyed. I wonder what my friend Nowaff would say to this proposition. Hmmm. I haven't seen him since he moved to Virginia so I guess I'll let it go. Oh hey maybe I'll ask Adaya at work (he's black) if I hate muslims (he's also muslim). I probably have both of them fooled into thinking I like them. It's all a ruse you know. I .... must ........ hate... argh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*HATES*

That's better.

Hathor however, is not stupid, so it looks like I'll need a new theory to explain his behavior. My initial assessment is fundamental clash of perspective but I dunno. I haven't dealt with him much so I have little evidence but his grotesque display here to go on.

Oh and Hathor, I really don't see a problem with the first pic besides poor taste.

Soldiers kill their enemy. When they do, it pleases them because they have fulfilled their function. I wish this weren't necessary, but culture clash is a hardcore bitch. I'm actually glad we have a president that is trying his damndest to make sure that bitch doesn't rag all over the continental US. It's gonna be ugly somewhere for sure. When it's down to the point that one of us has to go (and I don't mean muslims, or arabs, I mean alkaida types or their replacements or wannabes, I hope they all die before they get a chance to hurt anyone else - it sure is a bitch that people have to die in an attempt to ensure that more people don't die, but then again - life isn't fair and the dead have no complaints), it's better you than me unless you're my family.

I think the second pic though - if it isn't staged (who knows) - is kind of disgusting. I wonder if it's the distortion of war, a jacked up military culture from that distortion, or just some evil bitches or what. What a mess. The only thing I'm pretty sure of is that I'll never know the real truth.

how nice, mr morris. i see you are back
i was wondering how long you were going to act out with the theatrics and tantrums.

in anycase, perhaps you shall have more opportunities to do more of the same because it appears your political naivety coincides with that of joe blow.
i have always wondered if people are really that stupid or could it be a subtle defence mechanism employed by one's mind to preserve sanity. perhaps it is a bit of both.

rather than go into this in any detail, let me just say that president bush confessed there is no evidence to link 9/11 with iraq. however 70% of the public, even now, believes his earlier assertion, that there was a link, as accurate.

why the inability to acknowledge your president now? is it because you will have to come to the realization that you slaughtered these people for nothing?

osama is regrouping in afganistan due to bush's tactical error in shifting the war into iraq

sorry, mr patriot, but your president is NOT looking out for you

as for the pics... your "poor taste" translates to a man beaten to death by american investigators. open a newspaper and get informed.

The only thing I'm pretty sure of is that I'll never know the real truth.

that is only because you will refuse to acknowledge it. i doubt if you can do otherwise.

that is only because you will refuse to acknowledge it. i doubt if you can do otherwise

Wesmorris is way, way, way, way, way more subjective than you. He won't accept everything the Republican party throws at him, and he won't accept everything the liberals throw at him; he picks what he believes to be the most logical choice (And I often agree with him).

Don't believe everything you read. But better yet, don't believe everything your party spouts at you.

Spurious, he's already 'tightly moderated'. I have him on my watch list, same goes for other members.

I was wondering why he is is almost acceptable nowadays.

I was wondering why he is is almost acceptable nowadays.

because he is the chief entertainer and official clown here.

I take my statement back btw...I saw him again today unmoderated.

Can this thread be locked and such polls banned....

I am afraid the level of general metal poi-soning in the society is showing its ugly head, there is no rationality here, so goodnight!!!!!!!!

I think the second pic though - if it isn't staged (who knows) - is kind of disgusting. I wonder if it's the distortion of war, a jacked up military culture from that distortion, or just some evil bitches or what. What a mess. The only thing I'm pretty sure of is that I'll never know the real truth.

Could we please refrain from taking this thread tangential? This is purely about PM.

I can't stand the lunatic, or any of his aliases/cronies. I disagree with everything he's ever said.
However, I thought this site was a champion of free speech. If so, you can't allow him to be banned for expressing his opinions, no matter how fucked-up they are.

I for one say let the lunatic stay. He makes me laugh so hard I sometimes choke on my bacon sandwiches and drop my Muslim porn mags!

The Flemster.

I for one say let the lunatic stay. He makes me laugh so hard I sometimes choke on my bacon sandwiches and drop my Muslim porn mags!

Oh there's a nice, feral mental picture you've given us now Flem.:p


:eek:

Oh there's a nice, feral mental picture you've given us now Flem.:p


:eek:


Oddly enough, the picture I was looking at in this month's edition of 'Crouching Muslim, Shitty Bucket' was indeed feral and mental!

The Flemster.
:D

Thanks for sharing Flem. Nice to know that some (ie you:p ) people will read just about anything while sitting on the porcelain throne nowdays.;)

:eek:

Wesmorris is way, way, way, way, way more subjective than you. He won't accept everything the Republican party throws at him, and he won't accept everything the liberals throw at him; he picks what he believes to be the most logical choice (And I often agree with him).

Don't believe everything you read. But better yet, don't believe everything your party spouts at you.

i resent your attempt to instigate a flame war between mr morris and i.
however, oh moderetard, i will gladly accept your assessment on his subjectivity being superior to mine

with friends like these, who needs enemies? :rolleyes:

Oh, so instead of me complimenting Wesmorris (Which is what I was doing); you decide that it's me instigating a flame war? You're paranoid, just like PM.

thanks for your kind words CC.

what i don't get is why PM's apologists aren't outraged that some of the "don't ban him" votes... were touted as based in the fact that he's looked at as a clown. shouldn't you be pissed about that? shouldn't you demand that they take back their votes? i mean, isn't humiliation torture? eh?

perhaps if i may be bold enough to venture a guess as to why the outrage is not present? yes?

it is because we embrace the notion of free speech and the 1st amendment
it is because we are not control freaks
it is because we are not the thought police
it is because facist practices and ideology are the very antithesis of what we stand for

finally, it is also because we are not JACKBOOTED NAZI PIGS!

is that satisfactory, mr wes "subjective" morris?

as long as you're not divining stuff right?

yeah I suppose your answer is satisfactory, thank you. i smell some kind of hypocracy in there but I can't figure it out at the moment so maybe I'm wrong.

yours truly,

white pig.

i mean, isn't humiliation torture? eh?

If humiliation were torture, you'd be long dead by now.

CC: And I agree with your statement about wesmorris being subjective, if you follow the word subjective with the word ignorant. Have you read some of his posts recently? He's full of strawmen and irrelevant arguements. Not to mention he's been baiting lots of people as of late.

If we can ban people for being insolent and against the norm, but not breaking the rules... can we ban people for painful stupidity?

WESMORRIS

...some of the "don't ban him" votes... were touted as based in the fact that he's looked at as a clown.

which posters are these? list them please (thanks). while i respect their right to air their feelings and viewpoints, i have no doubt it would be easy to ridicule them in turn

lets take a look at a "dont ban" voter - THE FLEMSTER

he likes the muslim's entertainment value. however the reason for the "dont ban vote" was...

However, I thought this site was a champion of free speech. If so, you can't allow him to be banned for expressing his opinions, no matter how fucked-up they are.

Proud Flemster.

astounding bit of respect for the 1st amendment considering the guy also wants to......

Islam is pure evil.
And all those morons with silly beards and underwear on their heads that follow it are the scum of the Earth. (In my opinion).

Kill 'em all!

Proud Flemster.

obviously he wants to do more than just laugh at the muslim. even though i would like to stab and saw the flemster, he is a far better american that you are. a real patriot. he is not one to whore the bill of rights at the first sign of trouble like some would do.

i mean, isn't humiliation torture? eh?

your efforts at sarcasm are rather unsophisticated. perhaps a little more time spent would yield that which could be classified as "biting!"

WESMORRIS
as long as you're not divining stuff right?

i asked you previously to indicate specifically what it is i divined. you still have not done so.

point out again what i have divined and i will attempt to explain simple logic

it is you that makes the assumptions in here, mr wes morris. not i.

They may not state the root specifically, but it's there nonetheless)

do not be dishonest please. you will not be afforded the relatively pleasant reception again if you persist.

i smell some kind of hypocracy in there but I can't figure it out at the moment so maybe I'm wrong.

hopefully you will refrain from outright fabrications. however, sniff away mr wes "bloodhound" morris.

which posters are these? list them please (thanks).
You're welcome:

lemming3k
everneo
eddymrsci
path
flemster

Path didn't say it explicitely so maybe he shouldn't be on the list for sure. It seemed it was his direct implication.

while i respect their right to air their feelings and viewpoints, i have no doubt it would be easy to ridicule them in turn
as you wish eh?

lets take a look at a "dont ban" voter - THE FLEMSTER
why?

he likes the muslim's entertainment value. however the reason for the "dont ban vote" was...

"However, I thought this site was a champion of free speech. If so, you can't allow him to be banned for expressing his opinions, no matter how fucked-up they are.

I for one say let the lunatic stay. He makes me laugh so hard I sometimes choke on my bacon sandwiches and drop my Muslim porn mags!"

Looks to me like he provided at least two reasons.

astounding bit of respect for the 1st amendment considering the guy also wants to......
I'm not here to defend his words. When I made my statement regarding the lack of outrage, it seemed to me that there is inconsistency or hypocracy associate with it. I still suspect something but haven't figured out what made me consider that yet and as I said, I might have been wrong.

obviously he wants to do more than just laugh at the muslim.
*shrug*

even though i would like to stab and saw the flemster,
Ick.

he is a far better american that you are. a real patriot.
Hey you acted a while ago like you had no taste for non-sequiters.

he is not one to whore the bill of rights at the first sign of trouble like some would do.
Ah, like who? What does that have to do with anything? Make sense damn you.

your efforts at sarcasm are rather unsophisticated.

Actually, that isn't sarcasm. Is a snide reminder of someone being a hypocrite sarcasm? I thought humiliation was supposed to be torture. Isn't that what everyone is bitching about? I'm not necessarily saying it isn't either. I'm somewhat undecided on the issue. Sometimes yes, sometimes no depending on whose perspective you're taking. Thanks for playing though! Hey do you think it's even less sophisticated to mistake a real comment for sarcasm?

Ah, that's where I thought I saw hypocracy, that some should bitch about the prisoners suffering humiliation yet take it from people who look at PM as a joke... because they supported his continued tenure here. A little inconsistent? There's certainly a difference between the types of humiliation, yet it's still humiliation... so where's the outrage? Oh, I see... as long as you get what you want a little humiliation is okay eh? Right.

perhaps a little more time spent would yield that which could be classified as "biting!"
*shrug* Thanks for nothing?

Have a fun time with all that stabbing and such.

*sigh*

WESMORRIS
as long as you're not divining stuff right?

i asked you previously to indicate specifically what it is i divined. you still have not done so.
You said:

"it is because we embrace the notion of free speech and the 1st amendment
it is because we are not control freaks
it is because we are not the thought police
it is because facist practices and ideology are the very antithesis of what we stand for"
You did present it as a hypothesis, so you weren't "divining stuff" right (noting the term "we" in your words)? You were just suggesting that you might be able to divine stuff while trying to pretend that's not what you're doing right? :rolleyes:

it is you that makes the assumptions in here, mr wes morris. not i.
You make no assumptions? Are you so sure? You're quick to point the finger it seems.

do not be dishonest please.
do not accuse me of dishonesty please.

you will not be afforded the relatively pleasant reception again if you persist.
likewise.

hopefully you will refrain from outright fabrications.
Yes, I will.

however, sniff away mr wes "bloodhound" morris.

LOL. So you accuse me of lame sarcasm when it wasn't sarcasm and then use lame sarcasm. Yes you're making no assumptions at all I can tell (you see, THAT is lame sarcasm, I recognize it clearly, I don't feel like the investment really to make it BITE. Perhaps I don't desire the taste that might follow that bite).

i had no idea you could see who voted for what. anyway i'll tell you i voted no. i generally vote no on banning people because i think it will sort itself out. they should be able to say what they want but the rest of us either don't have to listen or the members can regulate each other. banning should be reserved for spammers.

WESMORRIS

Ah, that's where I thought I saw hypocracy, that some should bitch about the prisoners suffering humiliation yet take it from people who look at PM as a joke... because they supported his continued tenure here. A little inconsistent? There's certainly a difference between the types of humiliation, yet it's still humiliation... so where's the outrage? Oh, I see... as long as you get what you want a little humiliation is okay eh? Right.

you compare these instances of the muslim's alleged "humiliation" at the hands of a bunch of disembodied internet users to the actual events that took place in abu ghraib?

i bet proudmuslim is writhing in pain! (as far as i can tell, he appears to hold up his end fairly well)

here is a caption for the 2nd picture where a nazi sits on an arab

the technique employed here is called 'chest compression". it is extremely painful and the victim is brought to a point where breathing practically comes to a halt. witness the obvious pain on the man's face

what really is the kicker is that...

poster x comments: proudmuslim is a joke
average poster reaction: umm, ok.
wesmorris's reaction: this is outrageous. how can you let stand, this humiliation of the muslim? do something! why the hypocrisy?

thus i think you bait.

so if i call you a fucknut, i am actually humiliating you? do you feel humiliated?

anyway.....

i think the concept of sarcasm eludes you.
i can tell further rebuttals will result in a never ending series of compressed and rather bogus retorts on your part, so...until next time, mr morris.

you compare these instances of the muslim's alleged "humiliation" at the hands of a bunch of disembodied internet users to the actual events that took place in abu ghraib?

Is it humiliation? If so, the comparison is valid. If not, then it isn't.

i bet proudmuslim is writhing in pain! (as far as i can tell, he appears to hold up his end fairly well)
He seems to be actually. The pain of a completely stunted mind.

here is a caption for the 2nd picture where a nazi sits on an arab
the technique employed here is called 'chest compression". it is extremely painful and the victim is brought to a point where breathing practically comes to a halt. witness the obvious pain on the man's face

*shrug*

It would probably be better if people weren't treated that way. I'm a moron though, and I don't take those pictures at face value. Obviously, that might be wholly mistaken... but I was in the military for four years and it simply doesn't fit. Maybe it's a new army now, but don't you think that in the context of the people in those picture, they must make sense? I need to know the context before making a judgement - and all information coming to me regarding said context has been through the ringers of a number of competing agendas, so I basically feel that I have zero to go on. I think some of them might have been deliberately staged for use in psyops. That simply makes sense, because it provides a context that explains the behavior. It's also quite possible that command and control totally broke down and people were running amok, all wigged from being in Iraq for so long and feeling powerful because they had all these prisoners - who to them were killing their friends - at their whim. I dunno, and doubt if I ever will. Maybe I guess.

I'm sure you can just write it off as denial or what did you say?... "compressed and rather bogus". Then you'll take comfort in being able to ignore such inane tripe in the future.
what really is the kicker is that...

poster x comments: proudmuslim is a joke
average poster reaction: umm, ok.
wesmorris's reaction: this is outrageous. how can you let stand, this humiliation of the muslim? do something! why the hypocrisy?

So you miss the point. I'll clarify.

If they are both humiliation, then there is inconsistency. Why? Because if you think it's not okay to humiliate someone to get what you need from them, then how can you allow that here? Are you arguing that the difference is that the guy in that picture is in pain and as such the comparison is completely invalid? It's okay if PM's buffoonery is accepted because he's a completely joke - as long as you vote to let him stay? Is that not endorsing humliation as long as you get what you want?

thus i think you bait.
*shrug* as you wish.

so if i call you a fucknut, i am actually humiliating you? do you feel humiliated?
no, but I might if it was in the context of banning me for being a useless asshat.

anyway.....

i think the concept of sarcasm eludes you.
lol? oh? based on what evidence?

i can tell further rebuttals will result in a never ending series of compressed and rather bogus retorts on your part, so...until next time, mr morris.

yeah i noticed you glossed over every point i made except the one you though you could exploit. is that honest? does that show good faith on your part? i suppose that is exectping to much. it must have been because my retorts were rather compressed and/or bogus? thank goodness you're an advocate of free speech, or were you just hypothesizing that you are?

If humiliation were torture, you'd be long dead by now.

Were you going for cleverness there?

I think you messed up... torture doesn't necessarily kill people.
I suppose it wouldn't, normally.


your efforts at sarcasm are rather unsophisticated.

Your efforts at writing are "rather unsophisticated".

Besides, since when does sarcasm have to be sophisticated in order to be "'biting,'" since you were awarded Syntactical Grand Pombah status?

hopefully you will refrain from outright fabrications. however, sniff away mr wes "bloodhound" morris.

Bloodhound... as in a wilful, paranoid, and plaintive nitpicker, a fault-finder?

You've the balls to desribe another that way just after mentioning "JACKBOOTED NAZI PIGS"?





We white pigs had better cross the creek before old Mister "'bloodhound'" Hathor scents our plan for sciforums censure and domination!

I hear he's got some nose for fascists, and that means trouble!


This is a testable statement, fact or fiction, there is nothing offensive about fact.

Want to bet?

Why don't you consider BigD's 100 Facts?

What is the real issue here?

I don't like Proud Muslim much myself, but I don't think he should be banned.

I think we now have the opportunity to teach him something, to make him aware of his mistakes -- this of course only if we
a) really wish to change him and think that we ought to change him,
and
b) see ourselves as competent to do that.

I can't help but to find both a and b questionable.


But, from my experience with him, there is a simple and valid issue one can propose to him, and this is where PM seems to freeze: I asked him "What have *you* *done* to convince me that your religion is the right one, as you claim that it is?" He didn't reply.

There obvioulsy is a way to get to him, there is something where his propaganda doesn't work anymore.

Regardless of his methods of communication: we can take a Gandhi-like approach to him, and then see what happens.
But in order to do that we have to keep him, not ban him.

hehe, "moderetard" i get it

just think, if we all put our intelligence into helping people, instead of thinking up amusing insults, maybe the world would be better

The fact is that he pisses people off. I know of several people feel that the 'sciforum experience' is lessened by his presence.

He pushes other sciforumers away, and we are not talking about people we gladly see going.

That is reason enough for me to see him go, or else he should be under strict moderation. In fact he should set a shining example of good behaviour for the next three months or so in a row before he should be permitted to cross the line again. Because let's face it. He crossed the line more times than anyone else on this forum.

RAPPACINI

your responses indicate a lack of reading skills. they are disjointed and irrelevant to the points you chose to address.

however..

We white pigs had better cross the creek before old Mister "'bloodhound'" Hathor scents our plan for sciforums censure and domination!


SkinWalker was the recipient of numerous fradulent votes from Rappaccini, hence the winner of this election is Stryderunknown.

the plan has already been "scented" out. you discredit the "our". i am however more than willing to treat ALL of you as dishonest and hate filled trolls.


- Any attempt to circumvent the rules (eg. by opening multiple accounts) will result in all votes by the user being invalidated and the user will be considered for banning.

pack your bags, lil' bitch

WESMORRIS

yeah i noticed you glossed over every point i made except the one you though you could exploit. is that honest? does that show good faith on your part? i suppose that is exectping to much. it must have been because my retorts were rather compressed and/or bogus? thank goodness you're an advocate of free speech, or were you just hypothesizing that you are?

if you need clarification, ask. insist, be specific. i will respond. and yes, you did make quite a few points that cannot be refuted. i am however not convinced of either relevence or applicabiIlty

neither are you by the looks of the quotes below



* I still suspect something but haven't figured out what made me consider that yet and as I said, I might have been wrong.

*I'm not necessarily saying it isn't either. I'm somewhat undecided on the issue. Sometimes yes, sometimes no depending on whose perspective you're taking.


unfortunately for you, you tire of being accomadating and decide to take a stand

Ah, that's where I thought I saw hypocracy, that some should bitch about the prisoners suffering humiliation yet take it from people who look at PM as a joke... because they supported his continued tenure here. A little inconsistent? There's certainly a difference between the types of humiliation, yet it's still humiliation... so where's the outrage?

now everything is in black and white and thats too bad. absolutism is a very big stick and there are very few of us that cannot be hurt by it.

in anycase, i already offered up some guesses as to why the condemnation is not there. here are a few more

*effective utilization of time and resources. ie: maximum bang for the buck.
*nitpicking is distasteful
*the muslim is really a freak (an outlook that i am flirting with)
*hypocrisy

addressing the last point....it is a possibility but until you are willing to make the investment to actually investigate the alleged hypocrite's posting history and dig out the inconsistencies, it is rather small minded and seemingly vengeful to merely accuse on the basis that it is possible.

this hypocrisy is a non issue.
you also sound like the muslim when you demand condemnation. i believe we discussed the politics of victimhood, yes?

I believe CCs comment was rhetorical...reread the quote he responded to.

Anyway, I think PM exists here just to incite and inflame. I remember higher ups saying that people who have nothing positive to contribute to the community were not welcome on sciforums.

PM doesn't contribute. Debate is contribution, true...bludgeoning is not. PM does the latter.

unfortunately for you, you tire of being accomadating and decide to take a stand

That wasn't "taking a stand". That was 'oh yeah, i remember now'. I had to get back down the same train of thought to remember what the hell I'd been thinking, and the preceding sentences reminded me well enough to regurgitate the basis of reasoning.

now everything is in black and white and thats too bad. absolutism is a very big stick and there are very few of us that cannot be hurt by it.
I don't think establishing accurate conceptual relationships is "absolutism". I don't agree that I've painted the issue in black and white at all, but merely pointed out inconsistent thinking based on the subjectivity of your perspective. I do believe the fact is that regarless of one's affiliation, they will likely, almost surely skew their input to justify it.

in anycase, i already offered up some guesses as to why the condemnation is not there. here are a few more

*effective utilization of time and resources. ie: maximum bang for the buck.
*nitpicking is distasteful
*the muslim is really a freak (an outlook that i am flirting with)
*hypocrisy

addressing the last point....it is a possibility but until you are willing to make the investment to actually investigate the alleged hypocrite's posting history and dig out the inconsistencies, it is rather small minded and seemingly vengeful to merely accuse on the basis that it is possible.
Actually I think it serves as a decent example of the human tendency I explained above with the simple exposure of the inconsistency... however I have to say, it was just a passing thought which at the time I deemed worthy of comment. While "small minded and vengeful" seem to actually strengthen the point, I don't care to make a huge issue of it. I do appreciate what appears to be an honest effort to dissect it from your perspective.

this hypocrisy is a non issue.
I think it's a valid example as I mentioned, but not so much to argue further on that point, I'll agree.

you also sound like the muslim when you demand condemnation.
I didn't demand it, I simply expect it if the ideology is consistent.

i believe we discussed the politics of victimhood, yes?
Indeed. If you read something I wrote and think I'm playing the victim, you read it wrong or I failed to get across my point. I am no victim. I despise the thought. In fact, I take responsibility for everything I'm involved with. That would be overwhelming if I weren't somewhat irresponsible and emotionally capable of accepting a certain amount of irresponsibility.

If you cut the people who have nothing positive to contribute to the community, you'd lose half your posters. There are a lot of people in this foum, and in this thread especially that do nothing at this point but incite and inflame. There are moderators at this point that rarely have anything positive to add, but love to incite and inflame. You see, there comes a time in a forums life where you either have to do a huge amount of mass bannings to clean it up or just keep letting it get out of hand until you can't control anything anymore. This forum has been riding the thin red line for a long time. When someone really starts caring a great deal again things could get better.

surely if he causes enough heat to make people moan about him for like a zillion threads then ban the guy.
of course, if the forums ever have a dull moment then you can have him to piss a load of people off.

If you cut the people who have nothing positive to contribute to the community, you'd lose half your posters. There are a lot of people in this foum, and in this thread especially that do nothing at this point but incite and inflame. There are moderators at this point that rarely have anything positive to add, but love to incite and inflame. You see, there comes a time in a forums life where you either have to do a huge amount of mass bannings to clean it up or just keep letting it get out of hand until you can't control anything anymore. This forum has been riding the thin red line for a long time. When someone really starts caring a great deal again things could get better.

Well said m8.

RAPPACINI
your responses indicate a lack of reading skills. they are disjointed and irrelevant to the points you chose to address.

Demonstrate it.

I could, if you wished me to, run through your posts and highlight every writing-related error committed.
Can you do the same in the case of my reading?

the plan has already been "scented" out.

Yikes... you actually believe there's a secret plan to censor and dominate SF?



This forum has been riding the thin red line for a long time.

Do you know how often posters have stated that?

The we're on the verge of oblivion, guys number is quite old.

Why should it be any truer now than it was whenever some surly halfwit like crazymikey wrote it?

If you cut the people who have nothing positive to contribute to the community, you'd lose half your posters.

Is there really a problem with that?

And we are not talking about all, we are talking about the person who excells the most on sciforums in not contributing anything positive to sciforums.

In fact we are probably (in my humble opinion) talking about a person who contributes in the most negative manner to sciforums of all members. People got banned for less.

hey, whoever has the power to do it, could you change my vote from yes to no please

i suddenly remembered all that crap about free speach

reminder for alain:

There is no free speech on sciforums.

edit - see for instance:

13. Freedom of speech You are free to post or not to post on sciforums. However, posting here is a privilege, not a right. As such, by posting you agree to abide by the forum rules. Yes, this restricts your freedom of speech to a certain extent. If you cannot accept the restrictions which are in place, our advice is to find an alternative forum which suits you better, or start your own site.

He does not abide the rules too often.

Spuriousmonkey,


13. Freedom of speech You are free to post or not to post on sciforums. However, posting here is a privilege, not a right. As such, by posting you agree to abide by the forum rules. Yes, this restricts your freedom of speech to a certain extent. If you cannot accept the restrictions which are in place, our advice is to find an alternative forum which suits you better, or start your own site.

Thanks for bringing this up! This is a good point for clarifying the argument.

Well, then it is rule #13 that Proud Muslim should be confronted with. I highlighted the part I find most important.

As patient and understanding as I am trying to be, with his actions, PM has shown that he doesn't consider posting here a privilege.

So I suggest an open letter to him, and giving him an ultimatum.

If he doesn't abide, then ban him.

i was more saying that i couldnt morally take away his free speach, and still expect to keep my own, even if the rules are against him, if porfiry wants him out then porfiry will block him, and i wont think bad of him for doing it- its his website, but im not going to actively try to take away someones free speech

Actually, as most recent events show, the man has his own forum -- I have received this private message from him


Dear friend:

I am writing to you to tell you about my another forum, you can join us there as well:

http://forum.jamaat.net

The above forum is desigend for Muslim - Christian debate and there is also a space for atheists and those of other religions.

You are very welcome to join.


And I have read some of the recent things he has written -- saying that he intends to stay here, "to expose the liars".

And, from past posts, I know that I am one of these "hypocrites" and "liars" -- and now he has the nerve to invite me to his forum site! This is a condescence that I am not willing to put up with.

I say ban him, I voted "yes."

Dear All:

It is all amusing and funny to see how weak some people are, how powerless and logicless some people are:

Starting a thread denying the existence of Jesus (pbuh ) is OK, no problem with that !!

Starting a thread mocking and denying prophet Muhammad (pbuh ) is ok, no problem with that !!

Starting many threads denying and mocking the existence of GOD HIMSELF is ok, no problem with that !!

However, starting a thread questioning ( not even denying ) the holocaust becomes unforgivable sin and an invitation for hate !!! one need to ask what kind of HYPOCRISY is this ??

When I complained to the owner of this forum about the anti muslim hate and bigotry, he replied by stating that this is FREE SPEECH, so, why cant I enjoy the same FREE SPEECH in questioning the holocaust ????

Your attitude toward Muslims here on sciforums is sadly the general attitude prevailing in the west nowadays:

Bias Against Muslims Up 70%

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61488-2004May2.html

Boston Radio Host says Kill All Muslims

http://www.cair-net.org/asp/article.asp?id=166&page=AA

slandering and ranting islamophobic remarks is ok, it is free speech, but when muslims try to hit back, it becomes hate and fanaticism !!! :mad:

If you dont like my posts, dont bother reading them, dont even respond to them, the fact that you are reading them and responding to them means you dont like what you read and resent the fact that I am PROUD MUSLIM ! this only shows your hidden bigotry and islamophobia.

How many times you will try to ban me ?? dont you realize that I have my own joint forum now ( thanks to those who tried to ban me the first time, I realized it is important to have my own jointforum with the help of another muslim who suffers the same hate and abuse from non muslims like yourselves) !

Dont you realize I am going to build a special website about the '' holohoax '' debating and exposing this lie about the 6 million jew died there ?? you see, dont ever try to suffocate my rights to express my views freely, this will only make me more determined and more eager to spread my views.

Why you all got so mad when I questioned the ( holohoax ) ? I did not even deny it, I was questioning the figures, dont I have the right to do that ? dont I have the right to call it the HOLOHOAX ??? why it is ok for you to question the existence of Jesus or Muhammad and even deny the existene of God but not ok for me to even question the holohoax ???? this is sickning hypocrisy.

''All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.''
Arthur Schopenhauer (1788 - 1860)

It is all amusing and funny to mock the owner of this forum
I am PROUD MUSLIM !

I have my joint
I realized it is important to suffocate you all

ahem ^
Everyone who voted no I want you to have a good hard look at that post and then have a good hard look in the mirror, and then come back to this post, and bring a little hand mirror with you so you can alternate between looking at pm's post and yourself back and forwards.
When you stop weeping, private message porfiry and ask if you can change your vote to 'yes' in a last ditch effort to save your soul.

what a liar !! you quoted what I said and then changed some words in my sentences to suit your bigotry !!!

I hope people will check exactly what I said and look carefuly for what others quote out of my posts.

"dont I have the right to call it the HOLOHOAX ???"

only if everyone on the website is fine with it, which they arent

(and if you had the right to call it the holohoax, others would have the right to call you whateva they wanted)

analysis:

Unless you are a complete illiterate you should know that calling the holocaust a hoax means that you deny its existence or importance. Hoax is not a neutral word. The holocaust is an historical fact.

It is possible to deny the existence of god. See the vast literature on the subject.


www.dictionary.com
hoax P Pronunciation Key (hks)
n.
1. An act intended to deceive or trick.
2. Something that has been established or accepted by fraudulent means

OK! We all know that PM has issues with Jews. And that's his issue. But what PM has failed to realise is that by calling it a 'holohoax' he is not merely denying/questioning the number of Jews slaughtered there and insulting their sad fate. He is also insulting the memories of the millions of non-Jews who were also exterminated. This is obscene. Actually no. He is obscene. He has fails to realise that there may be members here who's families were in the concentration camps. So he expects everyone to sit by and say nothing when he sullies the memory of the millions who died in those camps, by referring to it as a 'holohoax'?

So denying GOD himself is ok, but refering to a LIE as holohoax is not ok, what a bunch of hypocrites ? :rolleyes:

My reference to the holohoax is only limited to the Jewish holohoax, not other holocausts, I do acknowledge the sufferings of millions of non jews at the hands of the nazis, I feel sorry for them and I honour them in my prayers, but I dont see MEMORIAL MUSUEMS FOR THEM !! WHY?? why only memorials for the jews ???? hypocrites.

so again, the 6 million jewish figure is HOAX, LIE and will take some years before peolpe start to find out about this lie, but we are determind to pursue the truth.

Ermm I have a quick question to the mods.

I didn't know that the person in question of the ban (in this case PM) was allowed to vote for himself and to vote to keep himself in (so to speak)? I thought these polls were meant to be for other members to vote in?

LMAO! I'm sorry but even if he is allowed to vote for himself in the poll, I can't believe he actually voted for himself... PMSL! This is the first time I've ever seen the debated about member vote for himself in a ban poll.... wipes tears of laughter from eyes... Ah that's a classic... :D

ahem ^
Everyone who voted no I want you to have a good hard look at that post and then have a good hard look in the mirror, and then come back to this post, and bring a little hand mirror with you so you can alternate between looking at pm's post and yourself back and forwards.
When you stop weeping, private message porfiry and ask if you can change your vote to 'yes' in a last ditch effort to save your soul.

i will consider it if you provide the link to the quote. can you deliver?

So denying GOD himself is ok, but refering to a LIE as holohoax is not ok, what a bunch of hypocrites ? :rolleyes:

Just because YOU and your little neo nazi friends have referred to it as a lie does not make it a lie.

My reference to the holohoax is only limited to the Jewish holohoax, not other holocausts, I do acknowledge the sufferings of millions of non jews at the hands of the nazis, I feel sorry for them and I honour them in my prayers, but I dont see MEMORIAL MUSUEMS FOR THEM !! WHY?? why only memorials for the jews ???? hypocrites.
You've never been to a holocaust memorial have you? I've been to several and every single one of them pay their respects to both the Jewish and Non-Jewish victims. I even been to Jewish holocaust museums and half of their displays and stories were from and about the victims who weren't Jewish. You are the only one here who is denying every single victim of the Nazis the respect they deserve for their suffering. I'm going to ask you a question PM, what if it were 6 million Muslims who'd been killed at the hands of the Nazis. How would you feel to hear anyone say that it was a hoax? You'd feel insulted wouldn't you? And rightly so. What we ask is that you offer the Jewish and Non-Jewish victims of the holocaust the same deferrence you'd expect everyone else to rightly give any Muslim victims of such atrocities. Instead of calling it a hoax, have some respect for their pain and suffering. Have some compassion, for God's sake. And you call yourself a Muslim? Your behaviour on this matter has only shown me how un-Muslim you can be.

so again, the 6 million jewish figure is HOAX, LIE and will take some years before peolpe start to find out about this lie, but we are determind to pursue the truth.
So you're joining hands with your little neo-nazi buddies huh? Should we be expecting you to start burning some crosses on people's lawns soon? Maybe start bashing some poor Jewish woman walking down the street on her way to temple? You are angry at the hate that people have shown towards your religion. But look at the hate you show, and to the memories of millions of people who have been killed by others who believe just as you do. You are aware that the nazis deemed the deaths to be a lie too don't you? Hate to think how you will be judged when your time comes PM.

Demonstrate it.

I could, if you wished me to, run through your posts and highlight every writing-related error committed.
Can you do the same in the case of my reading?

Yikes... you actually believe there's a secret plan to censor and dominate SF?


sure. please pay attention.
it has already been established that you stuffed the ballot box with fictitious votes.


SkinWalker was the recipient of numerous fradulent votes from Rappaccini, hence the winner of this election is Stryderunknown.

when a certain amount of policy is enacted through proposals introduced and voted upon in this forum, we all expect and insist that each individual gets only one v