A Pledge to America

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  1. kmguru Staff Member

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    A GOP Pledge to America...a small excerpt...

    Does not everybody?

    It is not the government which you are a part of, is stifling your ability to compete in the global marketplace, you Morons; it is your businesses oursourcing on their free will to make tons of money. Are you going to repeal the job-killing free trade policies?

    Good paying manufacturing jobs are all gone overseas. Cutting taxes will only remove the social safety net that you depend on. These GOP Morons have no clue about the state of our nation.

    That will not create jobs, that money goes to their savings, since the economy will not be any better under the GOP. Besides, it is cheaper to import the product than manufacture in this country, thanks to our trade policies that will not change under GOP.

    Good luck, since no party has been able to do that in the last 200 years.
     
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  3. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe they do have a clue.

    The world's top manufacturing country is the United States.

    In 2007, the United States' manufacturing output was $1.831 trillion US Dollars (USD).

    This represents about 12% of the USA's entire Gross Domestic Product.

    Manufactured and exported from the United States:
    production machinery and equipment, 31.4%
    industrial supplies, 27.5%
    non-auto consumer goods, 12.7%
    motor vehicles and parts, 10.5%
    aircraft and parts, 7.6%
    food, feed and beverages, and 7.3%
    other, 3.0%.

    In 2007, the top manufacturing countries besides the United States were China ($1,106 billion USD)
    Japan ($926 billion USD)
    Germany ($670 billion USD)
    Russian Federation ($362 billion USD)
    Italy ($345 billion USD)
    United Kingdom ($342 billion USD)
    France ($296 billion USD)
    South Korea ($241 billion USD)
    Canada ($218 billion USD)
    Spain ($208 billion USD)
    Brazil ($206 billion USD)

    Arthur
     
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  5. smokinglizard Registered Senior Member

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    Let's have some good old fashioned protectionism! And then our trading partners can strike back with protectionist policies of their own!

    Nothing like a hefty slice of fear-mongering or urban legend spreading. As Arthur pointed out, the US is still the world's powerhouse in manufacturing. See here:

    http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/CompanyFocus/the-myth-of-us-industrys-demise.aspx

    So you really think that business owners would rather put that extra money in a savings account rather than to expand their businesses? Hmmm...

    Actually, the real reason why Wal-mart products are so cheap is because people in China are willing to work for pennies on the dollar.

    So why even try! Just throw your hands up and call it a day.
     
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  7. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    I guess Contract with America sounded too legally binding.
     
  8. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    They, the republicans, balanced the budget in the late 1990's after 50 years opf the democratics not being able to do so.
     
  9. kmguru Staff Member

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    It is difficult to describe vision to blind people. Consider this:

    China = 46.8%
    Germany = 26.8%
    Japan = 21.9%
    S. Korea = 39.4%

    If you can not get that, it is waste of my time. Anything below 20% is a danger zone.
     
  10. kmguru Staff Member

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    Exactly. Why save the people who are jumping off the cliff...out of their free will...
     
  11. kmguru Staff Member

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    Balanced budget on Feb 2nd, 1998 by Pres Clinton in 30 years

    http://clinton4.nara.gov/WH/New/html/19980202-14467.html

    But the quote was:

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  12. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Actually the republicans were in control of Congress and ONLY THEY could have balanced the budget, all Clinton did was put his signature on what the republicans did and if he wouldn't have they would have overridden his veto.

    I read it but I was answering what you stated which was...
    So I provided you proof that someone did.
     
  13. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    It's not clear what that actually means, but all businesses already get a 100% tax deduction for the money they use to hire, train, equip, and pay employees.

    So giving them a tax deduction anyway, even if they don't use the money to hire etc, would seem to discourage job creation somewhat.

    It's spelled "Democrats".

    And the assertion is false. Clinton's executive administration put the budget policies and overall structures together, and the most important piece of legislation involved in - over the next few years - bringing the budget under better regulation was this bill

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibus_Budget_Reconciliation_Act_of_1993

    which passed the House without a single Republican vote.

    What the Republicans deserve credit for, along with Clinton, was the bills gutting the US manufacturing base by opening up the US market to unregulated foreign manufactures - giving access to goods from places that broke unions by force, had no pollution or labor regulations, used coerced labor, and so forth - thereby favoring foreign investment and expansion by US corporations looking to reduce costs as well as foreign industry of all kinds.
     
  14. kmguru Staff Member

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    Someone did...

    rein in the red tape factory in Washington, DC?

    Who that may be? Do you know that Washington bureaucracy has been growing for the last 200 years as evidenced from number of laws passed each year, size of government employees, size of our military, bases overseas...which all adds to the so called "Red Tape"?

    "Red tape" is a derisive term for excessive regulation or rigid conformity to formal rules that is considered redundant or bureaucratic and hinders or prevents action or decision-making. It is usually applied to governments, corporations and other large organizations.
     
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  16. smokinglizard Registered Senior Member

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    Ahhh...now I understand where all this anti-free trade vitriol stems from -- you're a union man!
     
  17. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    It's pro free trade "vitriol". I'm a big supporter of market mechanisms and free trade in general.

    I just don't think that this: http://survey07.ituc-csi.org/stats.php?IDLang=EN is free trade.
     
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  18. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    During the 1990's when republicans were in charge of Congress much "red tape" was reduced but never eliminated if you recall. The democrats ran Congress and made all of the red tape as they saw fit for 50 years. When the republicans were thrown out of controlling Congress things went back to usual and the red tape came back with a vengence under the democats, if you'll recall. During the past 3 years the democrats have been in control of Congress and look at what red tape they have compiled, as you have already stated.
     
  19. jmpet Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry... I was in the bathroom wiping my ass with the "Pledge To America".
     
  20. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    That's false.

    That's part of the same fictional rewriting that produced the assertion of Republican Congressional credit for balancing the budget under Clinton.

    The Republican Congress did nothing to reduce bureaucratic hassles and inefficiencies, aside from making it somewhat easier for the rich to cheat on their taxes and ignore inconvenient regulations (the real advances even there were by Reagan's administration).

    For clues as to the effects of the '94 - '06 Gingrich/Delay Congressional Decade on federal bureaucratic hassles, read between the lines of contemporary documents such as these: http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/inforeg_prareprt/
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/assets/omb/inforeg/transition_ppwk_reduc..pdf
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/assets/omb/inforeg/compliance_pra_memo092704.pdf
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/assets/omb/bulletins/fy04/b04-01.pdf
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/def...mb/inforeg/icb/fy2006_icb_revised_hhs_ltr.pdf
    http://www.rense.com/general81/irss.htm
    Never happened. Baloney. The Reps only lost Partisan (de jure) control of the house in '06, and still have effective veto on the Senate even after becoming a voting minority in '08. The Dems, split with many conservative Party members, can't even get Obama's judicial appointments through the Senate, or a defense appropriations bill passed, due to Republicans' continued employment of "red tape" stuff.
     
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  21. countezero Registered Senior Member

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    Obama enjoys a majority beyond what most presidents have to work with, so the Republican obstructionism claim rings as the sort moving-goalpost whining that it really is. The fact is the Dems have done little with their power, and what they have done is pretty unpopular.

    I actually agree with this, though given the current state, you might want to add the horrendous de-regulation of the financial market.
     
  22. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Did you know that you need 60 votes to pass anything in the Senate?
     
  23. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Comphrensive heatlhcare reform (consumer protection); stimulus package; a nine point positive swing in GDP; stopping the bleeding of almost a million jobs a month; passage of financial reform package is that what you call little or nothing with their power?

    No other president has been able to get healthcare reform passed and signed into law...not even the great Bill Clinton and his wife were able to do same.

    The President and the Democrats have lost the PR battle in the the press to the likes of hannitiy, beck, levin and Fox News. And the result is a large group of folks out there who are very confused. But that does not mean that Obama and the Democrats have not done anything.

    http://mediamatters.org/research/201007270022

    http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/...hington-201009?printable=true&currentPage=all
     
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