View Full Version : 30 years on how much has changed?


Asguard
03-01-08, 05:52 AM
(this will probably end up in ethics but it should start here anyway)

Today is the 30th anniversary of the gay and lesbian Mardi Gras so lets see whats changed

30 years ago the Mardi Gras was a protest march against the laws criminalizing gays and lesbians and there was a mass arrest at the end

Today the march is about pride rather than protest and is seen as a massive tourist venture for Sydney. Its one of the worlds biggest gay pride marches.

Also for the first time today members of the Australian defence force were allowed to openly march in a reversal of 30 years of policy.

Lastly for the first time today a group of clergy were marching as an apology for how the Christan churches had treated the gay and lesbian community

When combined with the apology for the aboriginal people it seems that the change of government has brought in a whole new era for Australia

:bravo::yay::cheers:



Mardi Gras founders lead parade

THE "78ers", the original marchers who staged Sydney's inaugural Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras 30 years ago, drew a rapturous cheer as they paused in central Oxford Street this evening.

Diane Minnis, who was among the group, said she never envisaged their original 1500-strong protest march could morph into the multicoloured spectacle and celebration that continues today.

"Absolutely not ... but we're very glad that it did because it makes being gay, lesbian, transsexual, etcetera, very visible and that's what we still need," she said this evening.

Ms Minnis, aged in her 50s and from Potts Point, said the now internationally renowned event had become an "important celebratory beacon" and "we're proud to have started it".

The 30th annual Mardi Gras parade drew 10,000 costumed and flesh-baring participants, spread across 4km and 150 themed floats including a gay "Popemobile".

Tens of thousands of people lined the central Sydney route to watch the parade, many waving rainbow-coloured flags in a symbol of diversity and inclusiveness.

The 78ers led the procession – 186 people including the original 1978 marchers and their partners – and Ms Minnis said it was an emotional experience.

Much had changed in the past 30 years, she said, but other things had not.

"It is still very difficult for young people in country towns to come out as lesbian or gay, and even in outer suburbs and regional centres," she said.

"We don't have the same rights as the majority of the population and there is always going to be discrimination and homophobia.

"The police are far less hostile but we've still got situations where gay men have recently been bashed on Oxford street."

Also in the procession, Chloe Hughes and Kate Whittle of Enmore, both aged 21, were dressed in a bridal dress and a suit.

"Marriage is an institution that is changing anyway from being religious to non-religious," Ms Hughes said.

"And it should also be accepted as being inclusive (of same sex couples) as well."

A shirtless and glitter-covered James Fletcher, 30, of Moore Park Gardens, said he considered himself an honorary 78er.

"I was born in 1978," Mr Fletcher said.

"I'm marching to state to the community that I want to be myself, I want to show the world who I am and that I'm proud of myself.

"I'm also marching for the people who marched 30 years ago – they got beaten up so that we could be ourselves."

Organisers have said this years' Mardi Gras was the largest yet staged, and the procession also included official contingents from the Australian Defence Force and New South Wales Police.

The procession also featured a group of Christian pastors and reverends, who said the church also owed the gay, lesbian, transsexual and bisexual (GLTB) community an "apology".

Viewed 01/03/08 at 22:19 (http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,23304249-5005962,00.html)

Orleander
03-01-08, 07:37 AM
can gay people get married in Australia?

Asguard
03-01-08, 07:42 AM
orealnder did you read the artical?

oviously not because it delt with that and no they cant unfortuantly. There are also 50 federal laws (realating to tax, superanuation and social securities) that still discriminate against homosexuals

However its a start (especially as Rudd has promised to deal with those laws)

Its funny one of those laws actually means that a homosexual couple gets MORE unemployment benifits because centerlink doesnt concider a homosexual relationship to be a defacto relationship so they pay 2 indervidual rates rather than 2 defacto rates:p

Orleander
03-01-08, 07:45 AM
I read it. I also read that part. I just didn't take it as it being illegal. Maybe churches won't marry them, but judges can. I was wondering if it was illegal still.

Asguard
03-01-08, 07:50 AM
no its not unfortantly. our former PM passed a defence of marrage act which prevents it and has blocked the ACT from passing legislation legalising it. Although Rudd wont have the courage to go this far he may alow civil unions from the ACT to pass now that he is PM. Its wrong but at least its a step in the right direction. I dont however know what effect this would have on family law (hopefull the courts will take them to be the same)

Norsefire
03-01-08, 10:19 AM
There should be 50 more federal laws, this is disgusting. Freedom is one thing, immorality is another.

For how long in history have gays been hated? Forever, and with good reason. There is no reason to let them "open up" right now, lest we encourage drug dealers and morons next. Besides, pride? :roflmao: what have they done to deserve "pride" wow! haha!

Whatever happened to respectability in society, conservation of our ideals? I guarantee you, you keep giving them these freedoms and they'll be all over.

I just don't understand that point of view. How is it exactly a good thing, Asguard, that such things happened unless you are gay yourself? I am not saying that you are, just relatively speaking.

pjdude1219
03-01-08, 02:15 PM
There should be 50 more federal laws, this is disgusting. Freedom is one thing, immorality is another.

For how long in history have gays been hated? Forever, and with good reason. There is no reason to let them "open up" right now, lest we encourage drug dealers and morons next. Besides, pride? :roflmao: what have they done to deserve "pride" wow! haha!

Whatever happened to respectability in society, conservation of our ideals? I guarantee you, you keep giving them these freedoms and they'll be all over.

I just don't understand that point of view. How is it exactly a good thing, Asguard, that such things happened unless you are gay yourself? I am not saying that you are, just relatively speaking.

we have moved beyond the stone age

Norsefire
03-01-08, 02:29 PM
we have moved beyond the stone age

Our bodies have not:rolleyes:

Asguard
03-01-08, 03:23 PM
that would be non of your buiness, they do however deserve the same rights YOU have. More so because where you are predugest against THEM, they dont give a fuck about YOU. So they need to be protected from your moronic bigiotry

cosmictraveler
03-01-08, 03:25 PM
we have moved beyond the stone age

And into the stoned age! :cool: :m: ;)

Norsefire
03-01-08, 04:34 PM
that would be non of your buiness, they do however deserve the same rights YOU have. More so because where you are predugest against THEM, they dont give a fuck about YOU. So they need to be protected from your moronic bigiotry

OK, then let's legalize prostitution! Oh, and drugs! And all that bullshit......


Morality needs to be maintained. They need to be protected against nobody but themselves. They go against classical conservative society and mentality, and are instead in favor of a morally bankrupt, stupid society.

ashura
03-01-08, 06:12 PM
OK, then let's legalize prostitution! Oh, and drugs!

Sounds like great ideas to me! :thumbsup:

Norsefire
03-01-08, 06:42 PM
Sounds like great ideas to me! :thumbsup:

To you, perhaps.

pjdude1219
03-01-08, 07:23 PM
OK, then let's legalize prostitution! Oh, and drugs! And all that bullshit......


Morality needs to be maintained. They need to be protected against nobody but themselves. They go against classical conservative society and mentality, and are instead in favor of a morally bankrupt, stupid society.

most gays are very moral and smart at least the ones i have met are

Orleander
03-01-08, 07:24 PM
....Morality needs to be maintained. ....

You're one to talk. Is racism moral?

Norsefire
03-01-08, 07:30 PM
You're one to talk. Is racism moral?

Absolutely not.

pjdude, you do bring up a good point. But look at the basic gay person: they are liberal hippies, morons, don't give a care in the world, act like women (and yes, I mean literally like women), and are simply disgusting in manner and disrespectful. Also, I believe gays have a higher AIDS ratio

Ever heard of Chris Chrocker? Perfect example.

Orleander
03-01-08, 07:34 PM
Absolutely not.....

why not?

Norsefire
03-01-08, 07:35 PM
why not?

We are all Humans. Besides, why did you bring it up? I don't recall being racist.

Orleander
03-01-08, 07:38 PM
really???

http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1771660&postcount=1

Norsefire
03-01-08, 07:41 PM
really???

http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1771660&postcount=1

Those are jokes, remember that. The thread is entitled "the most offensive jokes" and therefore, as you know, such material is acceptable. I'm sure somebody has ridiculed Arabs/Semites and yet you wont' see my crying "racism!"

Orleander
03-01-08, 07:47 PM
Then why aren't they black jokes instead of nigger jokes? Why use the word nigger over and over and over and over?

Norsefire
03-01-08, 07:56 PM
Same thing. And yes, it really is. Just one is derogatory. But considering they need to be offensive, it shouldn't matter.

CutsieMarie89
03-01-08, 09:57 PM
Any step in the right direction is worthy of excitment and praise. I was just wondering about all of the hatred that many people feel toward homosexual people and I thought why do people care? To me its like being mad at people who go to sleep at night before 11pm. I'm not one of those people, but I don't go out of my way telling them how to live their lives and they don't go out of their way telling me when to go to sleep. I just don't understand why its such a big deal. And what makes it any more immoral than couples who don't have sex in the missionary position.

pjdude1219
03-02-08, 08:07 AM
Absolutely not.

pjdude, you do bring up a good point. But look at the basic gay person: they are liberal hippies, morons, don't give a care in the world, act like women (and yes, I mean literally like women), and are simply disgusting in manner and disrespectful. Also, I believe gays have a higher AIDS ratio

Ever heard of Chris Chrocker? Perfect example.

i have had serveral gay friends and they don't act like woman. just think of it this way imagine if the ratio's of hetero people and homo people were reversed would you want the gays to do to you what you want to do to them