Pinball1970
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You spent a long time pasting MT on a different thread which came to an end. I am not discussing it here.
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Write4U
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OK by me. It was just an observation as in-depth research progresses.
exchemist
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But that's just it. He got recognition almost immediately - asst prof within 4 years is pretty good going. The article you linked to does not seem to me to show any lack of recognition. Yes, it shows that his idea of light quanta was resisted for a while, by Bohr among others, but that's normal for revolutionary ideas in science. People took him seriously, even if they disagreed at first.
What political reasons are you thinking of and how did they slow down Einstein's recognition?
Pinball1970
Valued Senior Member
A reputation as a bit of a maverick went against him when he was applying for academic positions.
Even his dad wrote to his professors from memory!
His maths teacher called him lazy, Minkowski (who ended developing relativity)
The anti Semitic portion of the academy tired to block his Nobel nomination, possibly more than once but please let me fact check that.
When the positron was discovered in 1932 as a comparison, Dirac was awarded the Nobel the next year.
Pinball1970
Valued Senior Member
What I need to do is dig out that book that quotes directly from his letters. Go from when he submitted those papers in 1905 and take it from there, I know that some scientists did start writing to him after that.
No. Equations aren't embedded in physical objects.
You can split a physical object into as many tiny pieces as you want and you'll never discover that an equation is one of the pieces.
This is the same map/territory error you've been making for years. Why can't you learn anything?
Word salad.
No physical object contains a hidden differential equation.
I don't know what it was that misled you into believing that you "know" there are hidden differential equations in physical objects. Whatever it was is bullshit. You should ignore it.
That sounds like actual magic to me.
Hidden differential equations that can magically "become expressed in reality"? Give me a break!
I don't think you even care if what you're saying makes any sense, these days.
I mean, literally all of what you just wrote is just words for the sake of saying something. Those words literally don't mean anything when you string them together in that order. You're not communicating a thought or an idea.
I don't know what the hell you imagine you're doing when you say things like that.
I think that even Hammeroff would be running a mile to avoid being accused of guilt by association with your nonsense. Surely even Hammeroff has some self-respect.
Are you talking about music? There are lots of reasons. None of them involve embedded differential equations or implicate orders or magic "bings".
Write4U
Valued Senior Member
Explain gravity to me. Explain quantum fields to me. Its easy to accuse without needing to defend your own POV. Saying "you don't know what you are talking about" doesn't enlighten me at all.
And I am NOT going to attend University for 6 years to prove you wrong. If you are going to judge my insight, you will have to prove me where it fails.
The Universe is a Logical object and as such it must follow mathematical rigor where the Universal dynamics allow . Order emerges from Chaos.
That has been observed, measured, codified, and symbolized with descriptive language.
You cannot dismiss mathematical functions as an essential ability of Universal pattern mechanics. It's the ONLY thing we have that makes any sense at all!
If you want to get more mysterious, then it is you who is dabbling in woo.
exchemist
Valued Senior Member
Ah yes, “Prove me wrong!”, the cry of the crank down the ages.
Write4U
Valued Senior Member
No, "being wrong" is the charge levied unto me.
But, "enlighten me to being right", is the cry of this interested layman. I don't hear the wisdom being revealed, in James' own words.
From my POV, this is a clear case of intellectual hypocrisy.
Pinball1970
Valued Senior Member
Stop pasting stuff then. We are citing scientific papers and you are pasting wiki or copilot.
We can do that ourselves if we need to.
Write4U
Valued Senior Member
Isn't that the same thing? Your cited published papers are more important than my cited published papers? Don't you see what you are doing here in my thread. Unless you are discussing your published papers you are doing exactly the same thing as I am.
The one difference is that I copy and post verbatim, for which I can make an argument that it avoids any misunderstanding.
Here is a citation that interests me in my only remaining outlet' and it is IMPORTANT as it confirms my entire posting history on this forum, in spite of persistent opposition and ridicule, but should interest you
Chapter 9 Quantum Mechanics of the Cell: An Emerging Field
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The basis of quantum transfer and communication of p-electrons in DHA has been explained in ref. (Crawford et al. 2013). The van der Waals equation (see Crawford et al. 2013) hints that DHA has both stereochemical and electromagnetic properties.
Quantum mechanics can predict the existence of energy levels inside lattices, whereby any electron in that level can be effectively spread across the whole structure, thus becoming a quasiparticle or a wave. Albert Szent-Gyorgyi postulated that common energy levels could exist in protein structures, as they contained ‘a great number of atoms, closely packed with great regularity.’ He considered the communication of energy between molecules in biological systems could be achieved through coherence of electrons raised to a higher energy state.
The formation of a triplet state of the p-electrons around double bonds in aromatic amino acids was the basis for this mechanism (Steele and Szent-Gyorgyi 1957; Avery et al. 1961). Since Szent-Gyorgyi, the electron transfer of the energy production system in mitochondria has become well known. Bendall (1996) considered the conformal dynamics of proteins to be reliant on the long-range transfer of electrons. The method of quantum transport is quantum mechanical tunneling, a feature of proteins demonstrated by Hopfield (1974). Hackermuller et al. (2003) obtained evidence that tetraphenylporphyrin exhibits wavelike behavior, indicating quantum coherence in nature.
Hammeroff and Penrose (1998) proposed a model based on quantum mechanics that can explain consciousness and is testable. In the ‘Orchestrated Objective Reduction’ model of consciousness, quantum coherence exists in the microtubules found in neurons. It is hypothesized that microtubules are capable of quantum computing, and quantum computations are translated to classical outputs—hence consciousness.
Hammeroff (2010) then proposed the connections between neurons were linked to consciousness. Gap junctions are small enough for quantum objects to cross by quantum tunneling, allowing cohesion across regions of the brain and creating consciousness. The brain can contain numerous proteins but is absolutely dysfunctional without DHA and arachidonic acid (20:4n-6, AA).
Crawford et al. (2013) hypothesize that the p-electrons in DHA could behave in similar quantum manner, explaining the unique and irreplaceable role of DHA in neuronal signaling. According to Crawford et al., we must also consider that beyond consciousness, cohesion across regions of the brain drove the evolution of symbolic thinking and behavior, which is the hallmark of humanity. There is a planarity to the DHA molecule and a d (+)ve to d (−)ve polarization to the electron cloud (see Fig. 9.4). The same polarization applies to the sigma electrons around the methylene groups.
In photoreceptor membrane, the polar headgroup on the outer face is dominated by a phosphate and a strong quaternary amine (choline). On the inner side of the membrane, there is the same phosphate but a weak primary amine (ethanolamine). The resting state bilayer will be charged, with the probability of finding an electron greater in the direction of choline. Two conditions which could pull an electron out of DHA are as follows (details in Crawford et al. 2013):
(i) A sufficient electrical charge as in hyperpolarization,
(ii) The Einstein photoelectric effect-type mechanism.
Electrons from a material are dislodged by the impingement of photons when those photons reach or exceed a threshold frequency. Below the threshold Fig. 9.4 Molecular dynamic representation of DHA illustrating the alternative d −ve and d +ve distribution through the molecule. With the electrons in the methylene groups participating, a probability exists of electron cohesion across the whole molecule. The methylene participation is confirmed in the NOE analysis described later. For details, see Crawford et al. (2013)
9. Quantum Mechanics of the Cell: An Emerging Field frequency, no electrons are emitted from the metal regardless of the light intensity or the length of time of exposure to the light. Einstein’s photoelectric effect explains the fact that light can eject electrons from metal even if its intensity is low, where Albert Einstein proposed that a beam of light is not a wave propagating through space, but rather a collection of discrete wave packets (photons), each with a quantum of energy. Simply, we can summarize it by saying that the photoelectric effect is caused by absorption of quanta of light. This effect is found applicable to explain the mechanism of the light-induced electron transfer in condensed phase, e.g., as found in the case of DHA in neural cell signaling (for details, see Crawford et al. 2013).
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Write4U
Valued Senior Member
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Here, an important question regarding the photon energy efficiency in condensed phase has been addressed. As it is known that the energy of a photon in visible wavelengths is more than sufficient to eject an electron from retinal, could the same photoexcitation take place in the p-electrons of DHA? The isomerization of the 11-cis-retinal is achieved by a photon energy exciting a p-electron into an escape mode. DHA double bonds consist of a r bond and a p bond. The calculations found the following: the 80 kcal/mole (the r bond energy) and 65 kcal/mole (the p bond energy) of total 145 kcal/mole (the C = C double bond energy). The p bond energy is much less than that of r bond. Therefore, p bonds are more reactive than r bonds which means that all things being equal, the p bonds of DHA are more likely to undergo activation by light.
Further into the insights, based on the molecular dynamic calculations, the ground state energy of DHA is found to be 50 kJ/mol which is in the region of photoreception. Visual responses still can be detected in the electroretinograms of mice lacking critical components of all known retinal phototransduction cascades (Allen et al. 2010). Excitation of a p-electron in the DHA phosphoglycerides followed by electron tunneling, in response to hyperpolarization, could offer a theoretical solution which fits with that of Gawrisch et al. (2003) who describe low barriers to torsional rotation about the C–C bonds that link the cis-locked double bonds with the methylene carbons between them.
Electron tunneling has been explained here. If one electron is delocalized and pulled out by hyperpolarization, an immediately distal electron will take its empty place and this electron tunneling would lead to a current to flow. The Pauli Exclusion Principle suggests that no two electrons can occupy the same energy state. If one electron is pulled out, the loss leaves a hole which can only be filled by an incoming electron of the same quantum status of spin and energy. This is explained in Fig. 9.5. This process could depolarize the membrane and do so only at a quantized energy level, as is understood here, theoretically.
Crawford et al. demonstrated some remarkable conservation and irreplaceable nature of DHA in neuronal signaling and its high concentration in the photoreceptor. For details, readers should consider reading the whole paper from Crawford et al. (2013), due to lack of space we just briefed here. Here, explanations were provided through consideration of electron tunneling providing quantized signals. Membrane depolarization in phototransduction was explained using quantum
9.3 Quantum Mechanical Understanding of the Neural Cell Signaling 363 mechanical treatment. This precision is essential to visual acuity and synaptic signaling. The energy-minimized structures, molecular polarization, and moment of inertia of DHA allow for its theoretical possibility of operating in the realm of supramolecular chemistry with electron quantum coherence. This is certainly a preliminary study which requires more in-depth investigations.
There are many studies in various cell-based fields already performed. Due to lack of spaces, we shall avoid going to other fields than what have been discussed for ion channels. The quantum mechanical understanding of the cell is now a Fig. 9.5 Dual particle/wave properties of an electron tunneling. Neural signaling is assumed to be 600 million years (my) old as the nervous tissue first arose in wormlike organisms about 550–600
my ago.
Seen as particle, it is like a ball hitting a brick wall—impossible to penetrate. However, there is no such thing as a ball or brick wall; the electron’s ‘position’ is only the sum of the molecular electromagnetic forces defining a probability function for its location. As a wave, there
are probability distributions in which the electron penetrates barriers and can communicate with neighboring molecules or end up in other regions of the molecule.
Removal of an electron in a neighboring orbit will reduce repulsive forces and invite the electron into a new, higher energy orbit. An electropositive charge will increase the probability of occupation. The p-electrons have opposite intrinsic angular momentums or spin. The occupation of the orbit by two electrons with the same quantum energy state is forbidden. The Pauli Exclusion Principle ensures that the energy level at which tunneling occurs is precise. For details, see Crawford et al. (2013)
364 9 Quantum Mechanics of the Cell: An Emerging Field reality. Before the beginning of this century, it was thought that quantum mechanics application in cell is not quite possible though predictions were made. More developments are expected to happen fast over next decades.
Here, an important question regarding the photon energy efficiency in condensed phase has been addressed. As it is known that the energy of a photon in visible wavelengths is more than sufficient to eject an electron from retinal, could the same photoexcitation take place in the p-electrons of DHA? The isomerization of the 11-cis-retinal is achieved by a photon energy exciting a p-electron into an escape mode. DHA double bonds consist of a r bond and a p bond. The calculations found the following: the 80 kcal/mole (the r bond energy) and 65 kcal/mole (the p bond energy) of total 145 kcal/mole (the C = C double bond energy). The p bond energy is much less than that of r bond. Therefore, p bonds are more reactive than r bonds which means that all things being equal, the p bonds of DHA are more likely to undergo activation by light.
Further into the insights, based on the molecular dynamic calculations, the ground state energy of DHA is found to be 50 kJ/mol which is in the region of photoreception. Visual responses still can be detected in the electroretinograms of mice lacking critical components of all known retinal phototransduction cascades (Allen et al. 2010). Excitation of a p-electron in the DHA phosphoglycerides followed by electron tunneling, in response to hyperpolarization, could offer a theoretical solution which fits with that of Gawrisch et al. (2003) who describe low barriers to torsional rotation about the C–C bonds that link the cis-locked double bonds with the methylene carbons between them.
Electron tunneling has been explained here. If one electron is delocalized and pulled out by hyperpolarization, an immediately distal electron will take its empty place and this electron tunneling would lead to a current to flow. The Pauli Exclusion Principle suggests that no two electrons can occupy the same energy state. If one electron is pulled out, the loss leaves a hole which can only be filled by an incoming electron of the same quantum status of spin and energy. This is explained in Fig. 9.5. This process could depolarize the membrane and do so only at a quantized energy level, as is understood here, theoretically.
Crawford et al. demonstrated some remarkable conservation and irreplaceable nature of DHA in neuronal signaling and its high concentration in the photoreceptor. For details, readers should consider reading the whole paper from Crawford et al. (2013), due to lack of space we just briefed here. Here, explanations were provided through consideration of electron tunneling providing quantized signals. Membrane depolarization in phototransduction was explained using quantum
9.3 Quantum Mechanical Understanding of the Neural Cell Signaling 363 mechanical treatment. This precision is essential to visual acuity and synaptic signaling. The energy-minimized structures, molecular polarization, and moment of inertia of DHA allow for its theoretical possibility of operating in the realm of supramolecular chemistry with electron quantum coherence. This is certainly a preliminary study which requires more in-depth investigations.
There are many studies in various cell-based fields already performed. Due to lack of spaces, we shall avoid going to other fields than what have been discussed for ion channels. The quantum mechanical understanding of the cell is now a Fig. 9.5 Dual particle/wave properties of an electron tunneling. Neural signaling is assumed to be 600 million years (my) old as the nervous tissue first arose in wormlike organisms about 550–600
my ago.
Seen as particle, it is like a ball hitting a brick wall—impossible to penetrate. However, there is no such thing as a ball or brick wall; the electron’s ‘position’ is only the sum of the molecular electromagnetic forces defining a probability function for its location. As a wave, there
are probability distributions in which the electron penetrates barriers and can communicate with neighboring molecules or end up in other regions of the molecule.
Removal of an electron in a neighboring orbit will reduce repulsive forces and invite the electron into a new, higher energy orbit. An electropositive charge will increase the probability of occupation. The p-electrons have opposite intrinsic angular momentums or spin. The occupation of the orbit by two electrons with the same quantum energy state is forbidden. The Pauli Exclusion Principle ensures that the energy level at which tunneling occurs is precise. For details, see Crawford et al. (2013)
364 9 Quantum Mechanics of the Cell: An Emerging Field reality. Before the beginning of this century, it was thought that quantum mechanics application in cell is not quite possible though predictions were made. More developments are expected to happen fast over next decades.
Quantum Mechanics of the Cell: An Emerging Field
Cell is generally considered a classical system. The molecular structures inside it appear with ultra-level complexities. General physics concepts help construct popular biophysics techniques to understand the energy states and physiological
www.academia.edu
Pinball1970
Valued Senior Member
I suggest you stop pasting stuff and using Co pilot so you double down and paste a load of co pilot stuff.
Right.
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Write4U
Valued Senior Member
I loaded parts of a peer reviewed paper, just like you.
You did not attempt to post just released papers papers. You did post and discuss papers and no one prevented you from doing so.
Please examine the facts.
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Pinball1970
Valued Senior Member
Do you understand that I try to help you?
Write4U
Valued Senior Member
Ohh, dear Sir, of all the learned fellows you have been most accommodating and generous. You are the only person on this forum that gives this thread any weight at all. My cup runneth over.
But I like to share some of the scientific news that I find absolutely fascinating as a new field of scientific inquiry and that pertains to cellular evolution, including LUCA, and especially the role that microtubules may play in the emergenge of self-aware consciousness which is proposed by Nobel Laureate, Roger Penrose, and Emeritus professor for Anesthesiologist, Stuart Hameroff, an expert in the control of consciousness.
This is my hobby and I reserve the right to free speech. My sources are impeccable and any use of Copilot is strictly for linking to available sites that have published on the matter. That's what Copilot is for, it is a research tool.
I believe that I am entirely reasonable and prudent and I always welcome any serious contribution from other interested parties.
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Pinball1970
Valued Senior Member
Well that's a nice thing to say to me thank you although I cannot accept all of that.
Yes I have put some effort in w.r.t. your posts.
Some very knowledgeable and accommodating guys on here though, including your biggest critics James and Exchemist. You can tell they do it for the love of science and teaching.
If I post to you I want what I say to be correct and accurate, so everyone keeps everyone one else on their toes.
Plus, I hate getting things wrong!
Science is fun, science is interesting, what is better than discovering the solution to a problem?
If someone is not excited by solving a puzzle then science will not interest them.
A bit off topic but worth posting.
Thanks again.
Even if I had the time and inclination to attempt that with you, what good would it do?
It's not like you've ever modified your views on anything after I explained it to you. On the contrary, you persist in errors that I have corrected you on several times (at least).
Besides, gravity and quantum fields don't have anything to do with your core error-laden obsessions.
You just skip over all the bits where I explain why it is clear to me that you don't know what you're talking about.
What do you think I'm wrong about? And - more importantly - why do you think I'm wrong about those things?
It's not like you haven't had ample opportunity - over a period of years on this forum - to point out my errors, if I've made any. But I can't recall you ever catching me out in a mistake.
So, tell me. Where am I going wrong?
What insight are you referring to? Be specific. Have I missed something?
Says who?
Under what circumstances? Be specific.
Give me an example.
What the hell is "Universal pattern mechanics"? You just made that up, just then, didn't you?
So, these "universal pattern mechanics" thingies have abilities, you say? Like what? And why are they "essential"? What are they essential for? Who are they essential for?
Who's "we"? You?
The purple leaf blower ate my baby wombat.
Write4U
Valued Senior Member
And that's where you show your lack of understanding of ORCH OR, which based on both principles presented in a new format.
In my presentation of 4 fundamental and common denominators in cellular evolution , I have addressed abiogenesis, the evolution of sensory abilities, cellular communication, and the likelihood of emerging fields within the network that give rise to self-aware consciousness afforded by the various information processing functions performed by MT (and related filaments) which by their sheer numbers, are the ONLY pysical candidates to fill that role in all phases of common cell evolution in all Eukaryote organisms on earth.
I am not addressing the state of mainstream science and what came before. I am addressing new science and what is to come.
As I understand it, this is the argument proposed by Hameroff and Penrose and is slowly but ever so surely being confirmed by ever more sophisticated research at nanoscale level.
But for some obscure reason you just don't want to hear it, because I present the evidence verbatim via quotes accompanied by links.
I am not calling anyone here for being wrong and I have made corrections where proven inaccurate. But that's not what this is all about.
I am not attempting to teach, I am attempting to inform.
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exchemist
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No, it has nothing to do with either.