We are on this thread so let's go with the flow. As you said, it keeps it all here.Christ.![]()
If this is a reference to James, he does a very difficult job, not just in our exchanges but policing the site. I like him.have learned more from our communications in your relatively short time on this forum, than from years of prior and continuing ad hominem exclamations, without any constructive explanatory critiques which in a social sciences context might even be called an "abusive relationship
I am ignorant on all topics but 2. The mathematical nature of Universal mechanics and Microtubules. Those are the only subjects that interest me and feel informed enough to be able to discuss in general terms because these subjects touch on all subsequent questions of universal mechanics and emergent consciousness.As I said, I am ignorant on a lot of the topics on here, I just have a few headlines or an outline.
This work resolves the brain-based consciousness as an Open Quantum Information Field, created and influenced via the environmental sensory information and operating under the full control of quantum mechanics. The external sensory information, modelled as quantised electromagnetic waves, is assumed to feed the cortical neurons and eventually construct the brainbased consciousness Hamiltonian.
Any external energy/information, instantly reaching to the Hamiltonian of brain-based consciousness, is taken into account as a perturbation. In order to obtain instantaneous wave functions and probability amplitudes well known time dependant perturbation theory is employed. Quantum field theory is finally used to resolve the overall brain-based consciousness and some important conclusions are underlined.
It is when you try and apply one of those things to unrelated topics.But for that I am accused of being religiously obsessed because those are the only subjects I research and report on. I
ORCH OR and IIT consciousness via microtubule processes are very much being studied and a lot of progress has been made in regard to fine scale processes that may produce a form of holonomic field that is consciously experienced.Regarding Tegmark? The fact he has not followed up on his 2014 thesis for me speaks volumes.
No one else has either, he published a general readers, went on promotion to sell it, made some money then nothing.
As to Tegmark and the traditional argument that mathemarics are the descriptive map but not the terrain, my question is that when we look at his descriptive map of the universe, are we looking at a non-existent terrain, or is a map really descriptive of a real terrain in codified mathematical terms.Copilot:
Holonomic brain theory is a branch of neuroscience that proposes that human consciousness is formed by quantum effects in or between brain cells12. Holonomic refers to representations in a Hilbert phase space defined by both spectral and space-time coordinates12. The theory was developed by Karl Pribram2.
Tegmark points out that these mathematical structures are often identical to the underlying structures in nature. We have a tendency to view mathematical structures as abstract and separate from physical reality. But if those abstract structures match the physical ones, if we have two descriptions that are equivalent, then it makes sense to regard them as describing the same thing.
I don't buy itThis fundamental argument strikes my fancy
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Tegmark’s Mathematical Universe Hypothesis
I recently read Max Tegmark’s latest book, ‘Our Mathematical Universe‘, about his views on multiverses and the ultimate nature of reality. This is the fourth and final post in a series on the conc…selfawarepatterns.com
This fundamental argument strikes my fancy
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Tegmark’s Mathematical Universe Hypothesis
I recently read Max Tegmark’s latest book, ‘Our Mathematical Universe‘, about his views on multiverses and the ultimate nature of reality. This is the fourth and final post in a series on the conc…selfawarepatterns.com
I have always recognized and separated human codified mathematics from the inherently abstract universal mathematical principles that does not deal with numbers per se, but with interactive relational "values" in a dynamical environment.When Tegmark refers to mathematics, he isn’t referring to the notation, the nomenclature, or the techniques that we use to express or explore mathematics.
Is that even necessary? We know the universe is a dynamic structure. But does that negate the concept of mathematically guided dynamics?Addressing commons criticisms of the MUH, Tegmark spends a chapter on time. Mathematical structures are timeless structures, so how does that relate to a universe that evolves with time? Thinking in terms of spacetime, with time as one of the dimensions, the universe, including all of its history, could be viewed as a static structure.
Copilot:
Quantum mechanics is fully compatible with the principle of relativity, which states that physics is the same for all inertial observers1. Special relativity, which describes how time and distance are affected by movement, replaces Newtonian mechanics2. Quantum field theory unifies quantum mechanics, special relativity, and interaction4. Relativistic mechanics, compatible with special and general relativity, provides a non-quantum mechanical description of moving objects5.
We have repeatedly done this to death, if you want a re-run I'm out.Is that even necessary? We know the universe is a dynamic structure. But does that negate the concept of mathematically guided dynamics?
An axiom is a statement that provides the basic foundation for other knowledge. It is a statement that cannot be proved by reference to any more basic statements, because it provides the most basic conceptual foundation of all proofs. A genuine axiom must be self-evident, because a statement that cannot be proved in any manner, yet is not self-evident, is simply an arbitrary assertion. And arbitrary assertions don’t constitute knowledge, but are just groundless fantasies or imaginings.
The philosophy of Objectivism has three axioms that it holds are implicit in any claim to knowledge of any sort. They are as follows:
“Existence exists.”
“Consciousness perceives existence.”
“An existent is itself.” (Often referred to as “A is A,” or the Law of Identity.)
These three metaphysical axioms form the fundamental base of Objectivism. A corollary of the Law of Identity is the Law of Causality, which states that an entity acts as itself.
more... https://objectivismindepth.com/2012/06/24/the-axioms-of-objectivism/
It is clear that you don't understand a whole bunch of concepts, quite apart from the matter of your misuse of scientific terms.Thanks Pinball for your input. I am well aware of my limited scientific terminology. But that has nothing to do with conceptual understanding.
This much is also clear.I am not doing science, I don't want to do science.
This sub-forum is a dumping ground for stuff that pretends to be science, while not actually being science.And this sub-forum is not for doing science.
In some cases, despite your protest that you aren't doing science, you are putting forward your own hypotheses.I am discussing new and/or controversial hypotheses in conversational terms...
You are being disingenuous. For instance, over and over again, you have referred to "mathematical functions", while continually demonstrating that you don't know that a mathematical function is.And my use of (technical) terms are always posited in their most generalized context . When I say "potential", I mean "that which may become expressed in reality" . When I say "function" it refers to ability to perform a specific pupose or role, nothing more, nothing less.
YOu should be disqualified from using those terms at all. Despite having it explained to you on several occasions, over a period of years, you still have not the foggiest idea about what a differential equation is.When I say "differential equation" or "difference equation", I use the terms in their most general context as it relates to differences (change) within systems.
That is correct, but it doesn't help you to know what they are.Differential equations are used to model the dynamics of a system, representing its behavior using physics laws.
That is incorrect word salad bullshit that you just made up.They are used to codify system dynamics (change) and steady state (rest) relational values.
You have yet to show anybody here that you have the faintest clue about "universal mechanics". I doubt you even know what "mechanics" is, let alone how it might apply to the entire universe.I am ignorant on all topics but 2. The mathematical nature of Universal mechanics and Microtubules.
You could have spent some of your time on this forum trying to learn some science. But here you are, just yesterday, telling us all proudly that you don't want to know any science or do any science - as if that is some kind of virtue or excuse for your pseudoscience.But for that I am accused of being religiously obsessed because those are the only subjects I research and report on.
... more or less at random.I don't claim authorship on any of it. AllI do is report with an occasional comment.
Don't tell lies. When questioned, you usually ignore the question and try to distract by posting something unrelated or otherwise irrelevant. That's if you can even remember that the question was asked long enough to give it any attention at all.But when questioned I always respond with considered logic that IMO supports my intuitive understanding of the fundamental issues .
Your determined refusal to learn any "scientific lingo" is a measure of your determination to remain ignorant.My ignorance of formal scientific lingo is not a measure of my analytical IQ or understanding of fundamental issues.
Bizarre. Do you really think that you can get "knowledge of ... scientific fields" without understanding any of the terminology of science? If so, you're truly delusional.Nor is the use of scientific jargon a measure of knowledge of constantly emerging new and updated scientific fields, through modern research methods .
Don't tell lies. You're constantly repeating the same two or three, tired claims.I make no claims....
You just stated, above, that you have no areas of scientific interest.... other than bringing attention to advances in this new and burgeoning science that is directly and tangently related to my stated areas of scientific interest.
You're a crank because (a) you're unable to justify your faith-based claims, and (b) because you post like a crank, ignoring objections, repeating previously-debunked claims endlessly, making weak excuses for why you have no answers, posting stuff that literally makes no sense, and so on.Why that should give me a reputation of a crank, I can only assign to conservatism and lack of imagination.
Think about this, Write4U: have you ever seen a "new scientific finding" about microtubules or Bohmian mechanics or Tegmark's mathematical universe hypothesis that has not seemed to you to confirm your initialI have no intentions (nor could I alter) to curb my enthusiasm in the face of encouraging new scientific findings, that seem to confirm my initial intuition.
Then you shouldn't try to discuss science.Scientific nomenclature does not interest me.
That's just something you made up. Mixing word salad won't even give you a deeper understanding of anything. Stop deluding yourself.My aim is to gain a deeper understanding of universal mechanics.
This is wikipedia's definition, not yours. Because you don't have a definition. You just have a buzz word. You made it up and then you went googling for some mention of the same words, somewhere.
The problem here is that "abstract structures" can never "match" physical ones, unless by "match" you mean something different from "are the same as".Tegmark points out that these mathematical structures are often identical to the underlying structures in nature. We have a tendency to view mathematical structures as abstract and separate from physical reality. But if those abstract structures match the physical ones, if we have two descriptions that are equivalent, then it makes sense to regard them as describing the same thing.
You believe that a map of England is the same as England (it's physical land, etc.)?The standad argument is that "the map is not the terrain", makes no sense at all.
You didn't think that through at all, did you?If there is a description of the terrain, then the terrain actually exists and the map is a codified representation of the terrain that really exists, no?
I am. Answer the question.We are not talking about maps in Hobbit stories.
No map is the same as the terrain it depicts.If not, how would a map be of any use for guiding the way over and through the terrain, no?
Science is an intellectual pursuit. It aims to make more or less accurate models of various aspects of the natural world.Wherever I look in science I see nothing but maps scientifically describing and guiding us through all "known" universal terrains.
In the context of theories.We even use mathematical terms like "constants and universal laws".
Nobody is arguing that the natural world doesn't exist. Well, maybe Tegmark is.If these "terrains" did not exists how could we apply these codified mathematics and get predictable results.
"The universe", as whole, uses no "language".The universe does not use a codified language, it uses abstract (generic) logical mechanics and guiding equations.
No. There's no such thing as "universal mechanics", in the context you are trying to use that term.Humans have invented a codified language that closely approximates universal mechanics.
and only in the human world, as far as we know so far.Maths work in the human world.
How do you know there's no reason? You couldn't have possibly thought through all the possible reasons there could be.There is no reason why they should not work in the non-human world.
That's just an empty claim. You're literally just making shit up.And the maps we have drawn work practically in all facets where humans imitate universal mechanics.
There's another thing you don't know about: what "proof" consists of and how it cannot be applied to science, except as a sort of vague figure of speech.I always thought that ability to predict results counted as proof.
You're fibbing again. Also trying dishonestly to shift the goal posts.Sorry to hear that, but so far and other than some vague denials, I have not heard a conclusive refutation that a mathematically (logically) functioning Universe is not a potential viable hypothesis with a high amount of observable evidence.
More word salad you just made up.Human maths are the proof of codified observational axioms.
And more word salad. "Quasi-intelligent design" is another thing you just made up. It doesn't mean anything.To me this posit answers all metaphysical and physical question about an apparent quasi-intelligent design of a Universe that causally acts as itself.
Human maths are the proof of codified observational axioms.
Observed examples of naturally occurring Fibonacci sequence.James R
More word salad you just made up.
To me this posit answers all metaphysical and physical question about an apparent quasi-intelligent design of a Universe that causally acts as itself.
I beg to difference. "Quasi-intelligent" is a perfectly acceptable use of a "combining form" used to draw a distinction between "Intelligent Design" as used in the Kitzmiller trial, and naturally occurring self-organizing patterns in nature.James R:
And more word salad. "Quasi-intelligent design" is another thing you just made up. It doesn't mean anything. In fact, taking the words at face value, it's an oxymoron.
andIntelligent design (ID) is a pseudoscientific argument for the existence of God, presented by its proponents as "an evidence-based scientific theory about life's origins".[1][2][3][4][5] Proponents claim that "certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection."[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design
“Quasi” is a combining form, which is similar to a prefix, but works slightly differently. A prefix adjusts the function of the word, such as “in-” in “inability” or “im-” in “impossible.” A combining form, such as “quasi-,” helps determine a new meaning of the word.
“Quasi” describes something or someone that is closely similar to something else without bridging the gap and becoming that thing. For example, a “quasi-vegetarian” is a person who eats meat extremely rarely, but they can’t claim to be a complete vegetarian.
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