Would you believe in curses?

[Beer w/Straw]

Because you can try to imagine a life totally different. I could never picture myself as a sheriff, and if by chance I was one, maybe it would be cool to distance myself from the reality of the job?

It has long been rumored that Corey placed a curse on Salem and its sheriff during his torture by shouting “Damn you! I curse you and Salem!” at the sheriff before he died.
Four years after Corey’s death, Sheriff Corwin died suddenly of a heart attack at just 30 years old. Local legend suggests that Corey not only cursed Corwin but every Salem sheriff since 1692.


“The Giles Corey Mill, West Peabody,” illustration published in the New England Magazine Volume 5, circa 1892

In the 1970s, after Salem Sheriff Robert E. Cahill was forced to retire early due to a stroke, heart attack and rare blood condition, he looked into the history of the sheriff’s office, as described in the book Cursed in New England:

“About 300 years later, in 1978, Robert Cahill – while in office – suffered a rare blood disease, a heart attack and a stroke. Doctors could not find the cause of his afflictions. He was forced to retire as sheriff of Essex County and as Master and Keeper of the jail. Today he lives in Florida. Mr. Cahill notes that the sheriff before him also contracted a serious blood ailment while in office; it forced him to retire. He, in turn, had inherited the post from his father after the elder man died of a heart attack…while serving as sheriff. The previous sheriff had suffered heart problems as well. ‘So have all the others, as far back as I could trace,’ he says. ‘And the two men who have followed me have had an awful lot of [legal] trouble.’”


Cahill believes that when the sheriff’s office was moved from Salem to the new prison in Middleton in 1991, it broke the curse and spared the future sheriffs. Since the move, no sheriffs have been diagnosed with any heart conditions or blood ailment

http://historyofmassachusetts.org/the-curse-of-giles-corey/

Kinda sounds suspiciously like karma, though?


And if you wanted to waste 6 minutes of your life.
https://www.facebook.com/ComedyCent...witch-trials-drunk-history/10156430413379030/

 

[DaveC426913]

Don't all sheriffs die of something?

 

[Beer w/Straw]

Don't all sheriffs die of something?

I should guess?

I also guess I could also believe in curses in a different time

Why do you say Bless you after you sneeze?

One of the symptoms of the plague was coughing and sneezing, and it is believed that Pope Gregory I (Gregory the Great) suggested saying “God bless you” after a person sneezed in hopes that this prayer would protect them from an otherwise certain death. The expression may have also originated from superstition.

https://www.google.com/search?q=sneeze+curse&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab

But really have no clue.

 

[Dinosaur]

It was once believed that the soul temporarily left the body when a person sneezed.

Blessing the sneezer was alleged to prevent a demon or the devil from taking charge before the soul could return.

 

[Bebelina]

That was interesting, was this Corey one of the Salem witches then?

 

[sideshowbob]

It was once believed that the soul temporarily left the body when a person sneezed.

Blessing the sneezer was alleged to prevent a demon or the devil from taking charge before the soul could return.

So be careful not to sneeze over your left shoulder because the Devil is sitting there.

 

[kx000]

Learning, and new borns are curses. When we can be knowing, and be loving.

 

[DaveC426913]

Learning, and new borns are curses.

Indeed. I once had an old Gypsy Lady stick me with a textbook on the Fundamentals of Algebra and a 1-day old baby.
To this day, I still carry them around, unable to break the curse.

 

[Beer w/Straw]

That was interesting, was this Corey one of the Salem witches then?

I wouldn't know, but maybe he was cursed with bad genes from his lineage??

 

[C C]

Would you believe in curses?

One could conceive _X_ data either way, according to differing contexts of either strict standards of a profession or the fluid liberties of a personal thought orientation. Probability as tool for exposing a string of supposedly related events as a faux pattern/meaning. Or recruiting probability as a smoke-screen for anonymously smuggling metempirical influences into a natural model of the world.

Statistically, there are eventually going to be "bad luck" events that can be mapped to an unusually extended sequence for whatever select category. Just as planet Earth itself is an example of the opposite: A very long timeline of "good luck" in terms of not only remaining biologically viable but even producing an intelligent species -- both surviving and dodging various mega-disasters which doom most of the initially promising planetary candidates in the galaxy to lifelessness.

Digging around in history, something discovered via either arbitrary search or cognitive bias can be found to pin blame on for what's later conceived as a "cursed series". Just as Earth's prolonged "winning" streak might be imaginatively construed and personified as a guardian watching over it.

Each generation seems to deem law enforcement as experiencing unique upticks in heart conditions, stress-related high blood pressure, and other ailments. When instead it's likely a universal or general "regardless of time" side-effect which comes with the occupation.

Heart attacks a rising deadly weapon among cops
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...tack-law-enforcement-officers-deaths/2586077/

Police Mag: Heart Trouble
http://www.policemag.com/channel/patrol/articles/2014/05/heart-trouble.aspx

Cops: The biggest killers may be stress and depression
https://consumer.healthday.com/ency...health-news-507/cops-and-sheriffs-646422.html

~

 

[Dennis Tate]

Because you can try to imagine a life totally different. I could never picture myself as a sheriff, and if by chance I was one, maybe it would be cool to distance myself from the reality of the job?

http://historyofmassachusetts.org/the-curse-of-giles-corey/

Kinda sounds suspiciously like karma, though?


And if you wanted to waste 6 minutes of your life.
https://www.facebook.com/ComedyCent...witch-trials-drunk-history/10156430413379030/

One of the best explanations for curses and how they work that I have ever heard is from a former Satanist......
he is really quite interesting.......

Defeating Witchcraft | With guest Speaker Ex-Satanist John Ramirez

 

[RainbowSingularity]

i thought curses come under "religion"
what % of religions consider curses to not be real ?
20% ? less ?
so the majority of religions consider curses to be real
thus making it a democratically classified fact of "religion"
not parapsychology, parapsychology is secular
so it comes under religious belief.

 

[Dennis Tate]

i thought curses come under "religion"
what % of religions consider curses to not be real ?
20% ? less ?
so the majority of religions consider curses to be real
thus making it a democratically classified fact of "religion"
not parapsychology, parapsychology is secular
so it comes under religious belief.

My off hand guess would be that about eighty to ninety percent of Christians would probably tend to laugh at the idea of somebody being able to put a curse on them somehow???

My wife is from Ecuador and she certainly seemed to have a higher tendency to believe in the miraculous both from the darkness and from the light..... than most of us in North America tend to believe in.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

My off hand guess would be that about eighty to ninety percent of Christians would probably tend to laugh at the idea of somebody being able to put a curse on them somehow???

My wife is from Ecuador and she certainly seemed to have a higher tendency to believe in the miraculous both from the darkness and from the light..... than most of us in North America tend to believe in.

i guess i could probably pull some stuff to form a scientific evaluation of data from americans
but i cant be bothered because it is un-important to my evaluation of their values & beliefs as i have stated my opinion.
you would need considerable resources to prove i am wrong
i dont think i am wrong
i think it sits inside an aspect of religious belief as a core personal value
from a religious scholar perspective we could draw on conclusive aspects around belief in a holy spirit
then the variant belief in this having an opposite companion in dark spirit, which would probably become very much the majority in a lot of American Catholics & Christians.

i have no need to undermine the christian or catholic church so i dont need to turn into one of those evangelical extremists to validate their own production of hate.
lol does that make me christian spirited in values ? probably

what do south American(cultures) people believe if they dont celebrate their dead & bring them food & light fires for them ?
curses ?
is evil bad luck equal to a curse by its definition of terms ?
how many black Americans believe voodoo is real enough to validate the potential realness of a curse ?
possible quite a few. at least as many as those whom go to black baptist churches.

 

[Dennis Tate]

i guess i could probably pull some stuff to form a scientific evaluation of data from americans
but i cant be bothered because it is un-important to my evaluation of their values & beliefs as i have stated my opinion.
you would need considerable resources to prove i am wrong
i dont think i am wrong
i think it sits inside an aspect of religious belief as a core personal value
from a religious scholar perspective we could draw on conclusive aspects around belief in a holy spirit
then the variant belief in this having an opposite companion in dark spirit, which would probably become very much the majority in a lot of American Catholics & Christians.

i have no need to undermine the christian or catholic church so i dont need to turn into one of those evangelical extremists to validate their own production of hate.
lol does that make me christian spirited in values ? probably

what do south American(cultures) people believe if they dont celebrate their dead & bring them food & light fires for them ?
curses ?
is evil bad luck equal to a curse by its definition of terms ?
how many black Americans believe voodoo is real enough to validate the potential realness of a curse ?
possible quite a few. at least as many as those whom go to black baptist churches.

One part of the whole formula would be the ability for some types of ritual to induce an out of body state such as the gifted Ingo Swann seemed to be able to do naturally.

His capabilities were the subject of several interesting studies.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

One part of the whole formula

belief versus perception
religion versus experience

curse versus bless('es)

catholicism as one easily identifiable example defines the need for salvation as an external act to remove negative effect of internal

thus lifting of a curse

the act of going to church
or praying 4 times a day
etc
the act its self is the intent to lift a curse based on the explicit definition of negative infliction to physical reality of the internal

err-go
it would be easy to align the basic belief that all those who believe they must go to church every week/month &/or pray every day
believe in curses

and ... that 'conceptual manifestation' of 'physical belief' covers several different religions which encompasses a vast majority of the human population(some 60% at the very least)

so to the thread subject
not your desired conversation?

yes curses are VERY real to a majority of religiously self defined people
please feel free to critique my logic & apply questions(challenges to my assertion, it will not offend me unlike most people) etc

 

[Michael 345]

pray every day

If only there were a prayer to eliminate WOO WOO

Guess that would come under a prayer committing self elimination

 

[Dennis Tate]

belief versus perception
religion versus experience

curse versus bless('es)

catholicism as one easily identifiable example defines the need for salvation as an external act to remove negative effect of internal

thus lifting of a curse

the act of going to church
or praying 4 times a day
etc
the act its self is the intent to lift a curse based on the explicit definition of negative infliction to physical reality of the internal

err-go
it would be easy to align the basic belief that all those who believe they must go to church every week/month &/or pray every day
believe in curses

and ... that 'conceptual manifestation' of 'physical belief' covers several different religions which encompasses a vast majority of the human population(some 60% at the very least)

so to the thread subject
not your desired conversation?

yes curses are VERY real to a majority of religiously self defined people
please feel free to critique my logic & apply questions(challenges to my assertion, it will not offend me unlike most people) etc

I have to admit that this idea is logical.....

err-go
it would be easy to align the basic belief that all those who believe they must go to church every week/month &/or pray every day
believe in curses

but I hadn't really thought of it quite that way before!

You could well be correct that the percentage of us who believe in curses in some form or another could well be far higher than I had thought?!

 

[Seattle]

I think curses come from aliens who undergo near death experiences.