World At War-Battlefront Levant

Holy Cow, sports fans... ...Talk about your sneak plays !
Looks like the Sons of David really socked it to their Northern Front foes with a downright devious derivative of the Ol' Switcheroo...

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/what-we-know-so-far-about-deadly-pager-blasts-lebanon-2024-09-17/

What we know about the deadly pager blasts in Lebanon​

Sept 17 (Reuters) - At least nine people were killed and nearly 3,000 wounded when pagers used by Hezbollah members - including fighters and medics - detonated simultaneously across Lebanon.

The detonations started around 3:30 p.m. (1230 GMT) in the southern suburbs of Beirut known as Dahiyeh and the eastern Bekaa valley - strongholds of the anti-Israel militant group Hezbollah.

According to security sources and footage reviewed by Reuters, some of the detonations took place after the pagers rang, causing the fighters to put their hands on them or bring them up to their faces to check the screens.


The blasts were relatively contained, according to footage reviewed by Reuters. In two separate clips from closed-circuit video of supermarkets, the blasts appeared only to wound the person wearing the pager or closest to it.


Hezbollah fighters began using pagers in the belief they would be able to evade Israeli tracking of their locations, two sources familiar with the group's operations told Reuters this year.
Three security sources told Reuters that the pagers that detonated were the latest model brought in by Hezbollah in recent months.


Iran-backed Hezbollah said it was carrying out a "security and scientific investigation" into the causes of the blasts and said Israel would receive "its fair punishment."
Diplomatic and security sources speculated that the explosions could have been caused by the devices' batteries detonating, possibly through overheating.
But others said that Israel might have infiltrated the supply chain for Hezbollah's pagers. The New York Times reported that Israel hid explosive material within a new batch of the pagers before they were imported to Lebanon, citing American and other officials briefed on the operation.

Several experts who spoke with Reuters said they doubted the battery alone would have been enough to cause the blasts.
 
Second wave of Lebanon device explosions kills 14 and wounds 450

Given the collateral damage and insidiously sneaky nature of it, curious that there doesn't seem to be an anti-Zionist global outcry over this, as with Gaza.

Ah, here's something. Literally just needed to input cliché "global outcry": Global outcry over indiscriminate pager explosions in Lebanon

And obviously the campus restrictions on anti-Israel protests (or whatever such are labeled) may have dampened any immediate reactions and expressions of righteous indignation and moral superiority among activists.

Theatrics of danger: "Now, as those student protesters return for a new year of learning, they are facing a landscape transformed by updated restrictions, heightened security measures and increased scrutiny of pro-Palestine movements."
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Do you guys approve of this kind of action, in general?

What if it was Russia rigging American cell phones to explode? Would your moral calculus work differently in that case?

Are you giving Israel a free pass on this (if it was Israel)? If so, why? Is it because the target was Lebanon? Or Hezbollah?

Would it be acceptable to you for the US to rig up, say, Taliban phones or pagers to explode?

At what point would you consider this sort of thing, if it was instigated by a foreign government, to be a terrorist act? And what exempts this particular case being that (if you believe it is acceptable)?

Also, does it concern you that innocent people - including children - were also victims of the exploding pagers? Or do you consider that sort of thing to be legitimate collateral damage?

I look forward to your replies.
 
Do you guys approve of this kind of action, in general?
In general - no. In this specific case - yes.
What if it was Russia rigging American cell phones to explode? Would your moral calculus work differently in that case?
Yes. Because we are not currently kidnapping and killing Russians, so it would be a disproportionate response.
Would it be acceptable to you for the US to rig up, say, Taliban phones or pagers to explode?
Right after 9/11? If we suspected they were planning another one? Yes. Now? No.
Also, does it concern you that innocent people - including children - were also victims of the exploding pagers?
Yes. But if the targeted nature of this results in FEWER innocents and children being victims, then I would consider that a net win.

Nothing about this ongoing war is good. But fewer innocent deaths is less bad than more innocent deaths.
 
The fun thing is that I suspect technology in general will be suspect for them now. That's not a good thing these days.

Yah, a potential Pandora's box has been opened. Not just a new avenue for terrorism, but opening new crevices for paternal bureaucracy to slip through and exploit. Safety checks for explosive substitute or add-on ingredients in batteries perhaps raising the price of mobile devices, maybe retail protocols for even purchasing a device. But to initiate the hysteria -- the latest "threat to democracy", this type of thing would have to migrate to civilian populations of the West (that are not associated with a constant proto-war region like Southern Levant).
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Do you guys approve of this kind of action, in general?
If you mean as a tactic to fight a war - yes.
What if it was Russia rigging American cell phones to explode? Would your moral calculus work differently in that case?
I'd have to agree with billvon's thoughts on this. Of course, I'm probably prejudiced on this one by being an American...
Are you giving Israel a free pass on this (if it was Israel)? If so, why? Is it because the target was Lebanon? Or Hezbollah?
Pretty much. And yeah, because it's Hezbollah.
Would it be acceptable to you for the US to rig up, say, Taliban phones or pagers to explode?
I'd volunteer to help modify the things.
At what point would you consider this sort of thing, if it was instigated by a foreign government, to be a terrorist act? And what exempts this particular case being that (if you believe it is acceptable)?
If such devices were distributed at random among the populace of a nation it'd smack more of terrorism to me. The individuals targeted by this tactic were enemy combatants. The "wider war" is on. No sense fighting it if you're not gonna fight to win.
Also, does it concern you that innocent people - including children - were also victims of the exploding pagers? Or do you consider that sort of thing to be legitimate collateral damage?
It's quite disturbing. I've watched CCTV video of the exploding devices, and here's some person just picking out veggies at a market when the guy next to them suddenly goes BAM!!! For all I know they might wish Hezbollah would just shut up and go away.
As to legitimate collateral damage... ...again, as has already been stated, better less than more. I don't see how you can get more targeted than what was done in this instance.
 
Sweet Holy Hullabaloo, sports fans !
The Sons of David are really heating things up as they confront the opposition left, right and center !

Turning away from the blasted wreck they've left of Gaza and Hamas, SoD scores a twofer by beheading Hezbollah and racking up a Revolutionary Guard General in the same air strike:
Iran Revolutionary Guard general died in Israeli strike that killed Hezbollah leader, reports say
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — A prominent general in Iran’s paramilitary Revolutionary Guard died in an Israeli airstrike that killed Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah in Beirut, Iranian media reported Saturday.

The killing of Gen. Abbas Nilforushan marks the latest casualty suffered by Iran as the nearly yearlong Israel-Hamas war in the Gaza Strip teeters on the edge of becoming a regional conflict. His death further ratchets up pressure on Iran to respond, even as Tehran has signaled in recent months that it wants to negotiate with the West over sanctions crushing its economy.

Nilforushan, 58, was killed Friday in the strike in Lebanon in which Nasrallah died, the state-owned newspaper Tehran Times reported. Ahmad Reza Pour Khaghan, the deputy head of Iran’s judiciary, also confirmed Nilforushan’s death, describing him as a “guest to the people of Lebanon,” the state-run IRNA news agency said.

Those Hooligan Houthis were hammered in hellacious fashion by SoD in retaliation for their recent missile attacks:
Fiery mushroom clouds erupt as Israel launches all-out assault on Yemen's Houthis
Israel has launched an all-out air assault on Yemen's Houthis striking targets in a raid using dozens of aircraft.

The IDF confirmed that the strike was the most powerful against the terror group since it joined the widening Middle East war following the October 7 attack in Israel last year.


The targets of the strikes were oil reserves in Ras Issa and also the port of Hodeidah, according to Israeli army sources.


Additionally, power plants were also struck in the devastating attacks carried out by Israel's air force.

Looks like the "wider war" is wide open...
 
Mother of Mergatroid, sports fans! It's on like Donkey Kong on the Israeli Nordabschnitt.
The Sons of David have stormed across the border of Lebanon, and are up to their old tricks of tossing out the locals and tearing shit up !

Israel warns civilians to evacuate as it strikes wide swaths of southern Lebanon
JERUSALEM — The Israeli military on Monday called on residents of southern Lebanon to immediately evacuate homes and other buildings where it claimed Hezbollah stores weapons and said it was carrying out “extensive strikes” against the militant group.

It was the first warning of its kind in nearly a year of steadily escalating conflict and came after a particularly heavy exchange of fire on Sunday. Hezbollah launched around 150 rockets, missiles and drones into northern Israel in retaliation for strikes that killed a top commander and dozens of fighters.

Israel launches invasion into southern Lebanon targeting Hezbollah
Israel’s military forces crossed the border into southern Lebanon on Monday to conduct what its military described as “limited, localized, and targeted ground raids” against the Iran-backed militant group Hezbollah. The offensive, which is aimed at pushing Hezbollah forces farther away from the Israeli border, is expected to last for days, not weeks, U.S. officials said.

Israel informed the U.S. that the intention of the incursion into southern Lebanon is to push Hezbollah forces farther from the Israeli border and target their infrastructure, including stockpiles and weapons, according to a U.S. official, a Biden administration official and a source familiar with the planning.


The offensive will be limited in duration and scope, possibly lasting for days, not weeks, the sources said, adding that the geographic reach will be limited.

Israel says intense fighting erupted with Hezbollah in south Lebanon
Israel said intense fighting erupted with Hezbollah in south Lebanon after its paratroops and commandos launched raids there, ahead of a widely expected ground incursion and after devastating airstrikes against Hezbollah’s leadership.

The Israeli military said the operations in Lebanon began Monday night and involved the elite 98th Division, which was deployed to the northern front two weeks ago from Gaza, where it had been fighting against Hamas for months.

It said its air force and artillery supported ground troops engaged in “limited, localized, and targeted ground raids” against Hezbollah in southern Lebanon villages that posed “an immediate threat to Israeli communities in northern Israel.”

The heat is on, sports fans...
 
Well carry me out with the tongs, sports fans !
Perfidious Persia's pulled out the stops and pasted the Sons of David with a mass of missiles in retaliation for recent reversals suffered by their pesky proxies in the region. We ain't just "gettin' hot in here" - we 'bout to boil right over !

Iran fires at least 180 missiles into Israel as regionwide conflict grows
JERUSALEM (AP) — Iran launched at least 180 missiles into Israel on Tuesday, the latest in a series of escalating attacks in a yearslong conflict between Israel and Iran and its Arab allies that threatens to push the Middle East closer toward a regionwide war.

The orange glow of missiles streaked across Israel’s night sky as air raid sirens sounded and residents scrambled into bomb shelters. Israel vowed retaliation for Iran’s barrage, which it said had caused only a few injuries.

Israeli military spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari said the country’s air defenses intercepted many of the incoming Iranian missiles, though some landed in central and southern Israel. Israel’s national rescue service said two people were lightly wounded by shrapnel. In the West Bank, Palestinian officials said a Palestinian man was killed by a missile that fell near the town of Jericho, though it wasn’t clear where the attack originated...


...Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vowed late Tuesday to retaliate against Iran, which he said “made a big mistake tonight and it will pay for it.”...


...A high-ranking Iranian commander warned Iran would hit Israel’s entire infrastructure if the Jewish state takes any action against its territory. Iran’s armed forces joint chief of staff Gen. Mohammad Bagheri said the Revolutionary Guard was prepared defensively and offensively to repeat Tuesday’s attack with “multiplied intensity.”...

...Iran said it fired Tuesday’s missiles as retaliation for attacks that killed leaders of Hezbollah, Hamas and the Iranian military. It referenced Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah and Revolutionary Guard Gen. Abbas Nilforushan, both killed in an Israeli airstrike last week in Beirut. It also mentioned Ismail Haniyeh, a top leader in Hamas who was assassinated in Tehran in a suspected Israeli attack in July.
 
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