Will UK brexit on 29 March 2019?

mathman said:
No. They got an extension.
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probably designed to give all the EU country's time to engage their exit strategy financial worst case scenarios for damage control.

i doubt the UK will turn into some post apocalyptic movie set. but the hay making from the loony fringes is likely to gain quite a bit of click bait support.

the conservative party are the UK business leaders.
why are they so completely hopeless at designing a business deal ?

its a mockery.

meanwhile Tiny Tim is getting fat playing on his play-station eating junk food
they are giving muppets a bad name
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As a £10 pom now a Australian going back a few years even from my half way around the world view point I never thought England going into a over bloated EU was a smart move

Going in without a pre-nup - lunacy

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Michael 345 said:
As a £10 pom now a Australian going back a few years even from my half way around the world view point I never thought England going into a over bloated EU was a smart move

Going in without a pre-nup - lunacy

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It defies common sense that the victors in the (stupidly called referendum) cannot summon up enough decency to even attempt to find an accommodation with the defeated side.

The result of the referendum was not a roadmap for how leaving the EU was to be implemented in practice.

All the attempted "accommodation" has been between the various factions of the almost 52% who managed to win the referendum and the 48% are told their opinions and needs are of no consequence.

Democratic autocracy.

If the vote had gone the other way ,does anyone imagine the anti EU camp would not have been pushing for another referendum in the immediate aftermath.

As ever, Saint's contribution to her own thread is eagerly anticipated:rolleyes:
 
geordief said:
It defies common sense that the victors in the (stupidly called referendum) cannot summon up enough decency to even attempt to find an accommodation with the defeated side.

The result of the referendum was not a roadmap for how leaving the EU was to be implemented in practice.

All the attempted "accommodation" has been between the various factions of the almost 52% who managed to win the referendum and the 48% are told their opinions and needs are of no consequence.

Democratic autocracy.

If the vote had gone the other way ,does anyone imagine the anti EU camp would not have been pushing for another referendum in the immediate aftermath.

As ever, Saint's contribution to her own thread is eagerly anticipated:rolleyes:
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Cannot work it out after 3 years

Now a couple of months extension delay and it will be fixed?????

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Michael 345 said:
Cannot work it out after 3 years

Now a couple of months extension delay and it will be fixed?????

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No ,but we know that time fixes(well, changes) everything.

The alternative is what my anarchist friend suggested in the 60 s when you may have been spending your 10 pounds- he wanted to throw society's cards in the air and see where they landed.

Wasn't that Pol Pot's idea too?

The delay will not achieve what some may wish but it may shuffle the cards a bit.
 
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47701591
It is possible, of course, that Brexiteers who have been resisting the prime minister's deal so far take fright at Parliament having more control of the process, and are more likely to come in line.
That's because, generally, the make-up of MPs are more likely to back a softer deal than the one on offer.
So faced with the choice of Theresa May's compromise this week, or a much longer wrangle to a closer relationship with the EU than the prime minister has negotiated, it is not impossible that the numbers will move in her favour.
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2 options for a move in her favour
Vs the alternative
Vs what is "her favour"
1 Mp's will not wish to stand out soo far as to risk dividing their own constituency
2 Mp's will seek to hold a stance of party partisanship to affirm a divided voter base to reinforce their own position and thus laying claim to a majority to seek to empower those pondering crossing the floor while maintaining their seat.

alternative ?
any vote is a win option...
any alternative to a tory alternative may be what many voters want
the 1st alternative that gets broad base public approval from MP's prior to the vote.

"her favour"
May cant lose because she took the hospital pass for the party.
so while she loses she still wins by being the one left holding the baby when everyone else ran off to the pub.
also being a female in a traditionally patriarchal power system wins her street credit regardless of her policys(with undecided voters and critiques)

as long as May is the sticking tape holding the old sticking tape together, she wins.
 
Saint said:
Will EU "force" UK to exit without deal?
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EU cant "not force" Uk to leave
the UK leaving is compulsory.

EU cant simply let UK to sit on the edge because it makes massive extra costs to all country's economys.

imagine your boss telling you every day, your job may be gone tomorrow when you turn up for work.
how long before you walk away and find a new job ?

what is the real story behind the headlines is
where are all the business leaders who are members of these political parties ?
why are they not using all their business skills to make win/win deals that everyone will vote for to make law ?
 
So:
UK parliament ain't gonna do anything
and
The EU is basically gonna toss UK out on their ear?
 
sculptor said:
So:
UK parliament ain't gonna do anything
and
The EU is basically gonna toss UK out on their ear?
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No and no.

The UK asked to leave, remember? Under the treaty provisions* governing exit ("Article 50"), a member state declaring an intention to leave has 2 years for everyone to prepare, and then they are out.

Also the UK parliament is far from doing nothing. The issue is traumatic because it runs right across party lines, making it very hard for it to be dealt with via normal party politics and which has paralysed the government. But there is now a cross party search for a sensible solution, using methods that bypass the government - something not seen since Victorian times. We may see the fruits of that after Monday's debates and votes.


* Article 50 was largely drafted by a British diplomat: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/06/drafted-article-50-brexit-referendum-eu-state
 
They could if they did it now but that's not going to happen. It's like Trump...they want that wall...
 
Actually most of the EU probably is a bad deal for the UK. The currency part anyway. UK doesn't need to be penalized for the government of Greece, for example. The union itself is fine, I would think.
 
Seattle said:
Actually most of the EU probably is a bad deal for the UK. The currency part anyway. UK doesn't need to be penalized for the government of Greece, for example. The union itself is fine, I would think.
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Most of the EU haas been an excellent thing for the UK, given that we have been able to opt out of the Eurozone. Many people have said for a long time there is a case for an inner "ever-closer union" group, sharing a currency and hence fiscal policy etc., and an outer ring of affiliates, including the UK, Denmark and maybe one day Norway, Switzerland etc. It is a pity this could not have been developed in time to pre-empt the UK leaving.
 
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