Why is the water molecule an allergen?

Jimmy-rigger

Jimmy-rigger

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Hi Sci Forums

I recently come across some interesting articles and I'd like to know your thoughts on them;

https://socialnewsdaily.com/75296/woman-possesses-fatal-water-allergy/

An article about her 20+ years prior - https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JUST+ONE+CUP+OF+WATER+COULD+KILL+LITTLE+HEIDI%3B+Girl's+deadly+allergy...-a061152595



Of importance is the fact that she cannot drink a mouthful of water - or her throat swells shut and she falls unconscious (shock).



She has to carry epi pens on her at all times because her internal reaction to water is potentially fatal, like someone with a severe peanut allergy.

Scientists currently can't explain why the water molecule can trigger an immune response, since the consensus among scientists is that a molecule even smaller than oxygen cannot cause an immune response.



Recently (last week) in the news, there was a separate case of a girl being allergic to the water molecule. She too also cannot drink water, because when she does, she gets ''agonizing sores'' in her mouth, so she only drinks milk.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/...llergic-TEARS-breaks-hives-touches-water.html
 
Jimmy-rigger said:
Of importance is the fact that she cannot drink a mouthful of water - or her throat swells shut and she falls unconscious (shock).
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You would do well to stick to only credible sources of information.

The condition is Aquagenic Urticaria.

She has a dermal reaction to water. The claims about not being able to take even a mouthful of water are very likely to be highly exaggerated.

There is no point in debating the various hyperbolic claims made by disreputable sources.
 
 
DaveC426913 said:
You would do well to stick to only credible sources of information.

The condition is Aquagenic Urticaria.

She has a dermal reaction to water. The claims about not being able to take even a mouthful of water are very likely to be highly exaggerated.

There is no point in debating the various hyperbolic claims made by disreputable sources.
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ok finally a normal response lol dunno why ppl are so angry on here today, but i found a ncbi article that says the patient has an internal reaction to water https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5438944/
 
DaveC426913 said:
Can you point me at the place where it actually says internal reaction? Aquagenic Urticaria is a skin condition.
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Sure

''He also complained of pruritic erythematous changes, with swelling of the lips and oral cavity, after drinking water. Each episode lasted from 30 to 60 minutes and resolved spontaneously. ''
 
Jimmy-rigger said:
Sure

''He also complained of pruritic erythematous changes, with swelling of the lips and oral cavity, after drinking water. Each episode lasted from 30 to 60 minutes and resolved spontaneously. ''
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That's a bit of a reach to 'throat closing up and falling unconscious from shock' and 'potentially fatal, like someone with a severe peanut allergy'.

I refer to stick to facts, and leave hyperbole for the rag papers.

I've yet to find a medical report that backs up Falconer's bolder claims.
 
Jimmy-rigger said:
Sure

''He also complained of pruritic erythematous changes, with swelling of the lips and oral cavity, after drinking water. Each episode lasted from 30 to 60 minutes and resolved spontaneously. ''
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"Oral cavity" isn't really "internal".
 
Jimmy-rigger said:
wouldnt that fact mean saliva isn't mostly water? since then their throats should be constantly swollen shut.
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i keep asking the question, is water only water ?
it probably always has trace elements and residual charges in it.
the tongue can pick up electrical signals in tiny amounts in the taste bud area.
if one of the taste receptors is linked to a poison respon or crossed over with an allergic response which is pre programmed like an autonomic response then maybe the conductivity is the issue and not the water its self.(note milk is a very different PH level to water and different electrical conductvity and fat cells which would saturate and block various receptors etc)
maybe trace elements like chlorine etc also trigger the response in an electrical frequency range.

they could probably tests her under anesthesia by anesthetising the tongue in the OR and then applying water and residual small electrical shocks to observe the autonomic responses.
having a ventilator and team standing by would make it pretty safe.
the benefit to science may outweight the cost too.(as im sure it would cost many thousands of dollars which no one wants to pay).

considering the body is made up of mostly water, what it also has is all that water never sits as only water, it is always bonded to something else.
(im just postulating)
considering the tongue can measure elctrical density, maybe thats worth a look.

Why is the water molecule an allergen?
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it probably isnt
are poison responses & autonomic responses triggered by taste alone ?(yes i think)
 
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Jimmy-rigger said:
bye guy who keeps spamming my thread lol *blocked*
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Interesting reply.

How, I wonder, can I "keep spamming" this posters threads [plural], seeing as this "account" has only 2 threads on the forum, this person has, allegedly, only one account, as asserted in post 5, and I have only responded twice in all, on one of them? Strange.
 
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