Why is the water molecule an allergen?

What's the point in lying you're allergic to the water molecule and die if you drink water for 22+ years (Heidi Falconer)? There's many separate news articles on different people in recent years who all claim that if they drink water their throat swells shut and they could die from taking a sip of water. I doubt they're ALL the same person. What's the point?

Some of them even pose with epi pens in their press photos and epi pens are only given if you have an allergy deemed to be life threatening. I know because I have a severe allergy to peanuts and doctors prescribed me epi pens to carry around.
 
Jimmy-rigger said:
What's the point in lying you're allergic to the water molecule and die if you drink water for 22+ years (Heidi Falconer)? There's many separate news articles on different people in recent years who all claim that if they drink water their throat swells shut and they could die from taking a sip of water. I doubt they're ALL the same person. What's the point?
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I can think of some very obvious reasons. But that would be a topic for another thread.

'what's the point in lying' is not a defense of an unfounded claim.

Do you have any reputable sources of internal reactions to water? If not, then aquagenic urticaria - a skin condition - explains everything offered so far.
 
DaveC426913 said:
I can think of some very obvious reasons. But that would be a topic for another thread.

'what's the point in lying' is not a defense of an unfounded claim.

Do you have any reputable source of internal reactions to water? If not, then aquagenic urticaria - a skin condition - explains everything offered so far.
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Doesn't the existence of aquagenic urticaria mean it's possible to be allergic to water though? Even if the article just mentions the skin. Like you can be allergic to nickel and it usually affects the skin.

Why would (verifiable) immunologists say she's allergic to water if she isn't?
 
DaveC426913 said:
It's "possible" she's a mermaid too.


Citation please.
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Taken from https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JUST ONE CUP OF WATER COULD KILL LITTLE HEIDI; Girl's deadly allergy...-a061152595

''Heidi recently had an emergency operation to remove her appendix. Surgeons at Shrewsbury Hospital had no experience of her condition. They contacted Birmingham City Hospital, where Heidi is a patient of allergy specialist Dr Dinakantha Kumaratne.

Wendy said: "The surgeons had to think very fast about what they were going to do. They were marvellous."

http://www.ukpin.org.uk/event/2011/12/09/default-calendar/ukpin-forum-9-december-2011

Dr Dinakantha Kumaratne is listed as an immunologist.
 
Jimmy-rigger said:
I know because I have a severe allergy to peanuts and doctors prescribed me epi pens to carry around.
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are you allergic to bananas ?

i have a theory that nut allergies have some type of shared allergic response(only in minute amounts) to something in bananas.

NOTE
Jimmy-rigger said:
Wendy said: "The surgeons had to think very fast about what they were going to do. They were marvellous."
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some may not be aware of the difference between the average person(like myself) postulating something, and a medical profesional with specialised study for the last 20 to 30 years "postulating" something.
a "theory" in speculation by a medical profesional specialist is vastly different from a person on the street passing comment on the weather.
 
DaveC426913 said:
This is not a reputable source. Even a cursory glance at this sensationalist piece reveals it is carefully written to be as melodramatic as possible.
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The immunologist mentioned in the articles to be affiliated with Heidi's case is verified as being a real immunologist here - http://www.ukpin.org.uk/event/2011/12/09/default-calendar/ukpin-forum-9-december-2011


12.15-12.55

Antibodies in mycobacterial d

Dr Dinakantha Kumaratne
Consultant Immunologist and Head of Department of Clinical Immunology
Cambridge University Hospital NHS Foundation Trust



So he wasn't a made up person.
 
Jimmy-rigger said:
The immunologist mentioned in the articles to be affiliated with Heidi's case is verified as being a real immunologist here -
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I don't doubt it for a moment. They definitely need an immunologist; the girl has a serious condition!

But you are asserting something specific - an internal reaction - and that is not supported by anything but rags that make money with sensationalist stories.

This is not how to science.
 
DaveC426913 said:
I don't doubt it for a moment. They definitely need an immunologist; the girl has a serious condition!

But you are asserting something specific - an internal reaction - and that is not supported by anything but rags that make money with sensationalist stories.

This is not how to science.
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If they can have a reaction on their skin how are the insides any different? The inside of your mouth and throat is skin too.

By the way wikipedia has 'water' on the list of allergens article.
 
Jimmy-rigger said:
The immunologist mentioned in the articles to be affiliated with Heidi's case is verified as being a real immunologist here - http://www.ukpin.org.uk/event/2011/12/09/default-calendar/ukpin-forum-9-december-2011

12.15-12.55

Antibodies in mycobacterial d

Dr Dinakantha Kumaratne
Consultant Immunologist and Head of Department of Clinical Immunology
Cambridge University Hospital NHS Foundation Trust

So he wasn't a made up person.
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soo... thats a 'yes' for the pub quiz team ?
 
Jimmy-rigger said:
Heidi says her throat closes up if she drinks water. Throat is skin
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No, it's not. Skin is skin. The mucus membranes in your throat are not.

From the article - "She also developed giant blisters all over her body caused by the reaction to a water-based drip."

I call BS. They gave her either isotonic saline or Ringer's (more variety in the salts, same idea.) It is the same concentration of water and salt that is in her blood. If she doesn't get "giant blisters" from having blood she won't get it from saline.
 
continuing on from possible childhood poisoning from bleach/chlorine fumes
(while i was reading on something else)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/...-likely-spread-flu-tonsillitis-pneumonia.html

NOTE i didnt read the article prior to posting it, im reading it now

unintentional chlorine fumes in a hospital/birthing home around new born babies, intense exposure as a small child etc...

companion that with a genetic predisposition for a allergic response or condition.

good quality tap water has chlorine in it.
can the poison response part of the brain code in trace chlorine (exposure)poisoning to a poison response to water taste as an allergic reaction ?

note important cultural difference in science methadology and statistical trial findings between the UK and the USA

The study emphasised that it was only observational, so no definitive conclusions can be drawn about cause and effect.
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note this
In addition they didn't have any information on the use of other cleaning products used in the home, and only basic information was gathered on the use of bleach in the home, making it difficult to differentiate between exposure levels.
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there seems to be a very odd leaning in the USA(it is not a heavy bias but it is a slight lean that i have seen over various studys)
the leaning is against market forces for liability rather than a scientific "putting the patient first" process.
soo it appears. while "putting the patient first" is not a scientific principal, the market force to remove liability by default of lack of admition of liability is not scientific.
these 2 things seem to get confused in the USA when money is the end result of the process from both ends(the patient and the entity deemed to be paying the bill)
oddly enough, one would expect that the patient pays the bill, so 'the issue' should only be around around the patient getting better.
however that is not the main driving force in the USA.
which is a signifigant reason why i think universal health care is critical for any 1st world country
 
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billvon said:
Nope. We are saying that you are a troll who posts the same nonsense material over and over here.

(Up next! This little girl is allergic to air!)
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Hey! Remember that the main ingredient in DMHO is OXYGEN!!!! Yes, the same stuff that makes up chemtrails is mostly oxygen by weight!
 
Jimmy-rigger said:
Recently (last week) in the news, there was a separate case of a girl being allergic to the water molecule. She too also cannot drink water, because when she does, she gets ''agonizing sores'' in her mouth, so she only drinks milk.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/...llergic-TEARS-breaks-hives-touches-water.html
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That article, despite the source, seems to give reasonably accurate information.

The condition seems to be an external one. It is estimated to affect about 50 people worldwide, so it's extremely rare. Given that the body is mostly made of water, an internal allergy to water would presumably lead to rapid death in the womb or after birth.
 
James R said:
That article, despite the source, seems to give reasonably accurate information.

The condition seems to be an external one. It is estimated to affect about 50 people worldwide, so it's extremely rare. Given that the body is mostly made of water, an internal allergy to water would presumably lead to rapid death in the womb or after birth.
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the body being allergic to itself ...
as mentioned we are mostly water.
thus it leaves me pondering
the skin as an organ reacting to various things independantly
internal mucus membranes inclusive of nerve reactions acting in an alergic manner/response

thus a saturation point of the water must be the allergic nature or all the organs and internal systems would shut down.
saturation points are easily acidafied by common additives.
this also changes the electrical properties of the liquid which will change the nerve response/conductivity.

i have heard vaguely about ionised water(technically water that has had its electrical charge changed) but never felt it to be of substantial scientific basis start reading up on it.

a joke !
since we came from monkeys it must be impossible to be allergic to peanuts or bananas, because everyone knows monkeys eat peanuts and have done for hundreds of thousands of years...
the genes would have been impossible to pass on so the allergic reaction must be a fake entitlist attempt to make everyone vote democrat.
 
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