Why is it difficult to turn seawater into drinking water?

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... Where I live now I have well water to the faucet, and it does have a hard taste to it.:D
Unless there is a toxic mineral like arsenic in the ground (terrible problem in Bangladesh) well water is usually very healthy IF well is properly covered to keep bird shit etc. out.

PS a “hard taste” may be good for your bones as usually is due to Calcium content. Public health agency etc. in most US areas will test your well water for free.
 
Unless there is a toxic mineral like arsenic in the ground (terrible problem in Bangladesh) well water is usually very healthy IF well is properly covered to keep bird shit etc. out.
As long as you observe proper spacing between your well and your septic tank disposal field (and neighbouring disposal fields).
 
Unless there is a toxic mineral like arsenic in the ground (terrible problem in Bangladesh) well water is usually very healthy IF well is properly covered to keep bird shit etc. out.

PS a “hard taste” may be good for your bones as usually is due to Calcium content. Public health agency etc. in most US areas will test your well water for free.

It's not my well, and I don't mind calcium supplements. But thanks for the advice.
 
As long as you observe proper spacing between your well and your septic tank disposal field (and neighbouring disposal fields).

I still remember that thread about ocean pollution we were in shortly after I joined this forum, at least I think I remember you being quite expert in the field and you talked about poorly maintained septic systems which caused considerable pollution problems. I'm really not sure where the well is in relation to any septic system because it served a residence on this lot before the place I'm staying in now was put in (Prefab). So the one well serves two residences now.
 
I still remember that thread about ocean pollution we were in shortly after I joined this forum,

The Pacific Gyre "Island of trash" didn't come up did it? :D


(Urban legend talks about an "island of trash". :rolleyes:

Reality check: In fact, the "island" averages 1 particle (about the size and weight of a seed of grass) - per 3 square metres. That is one speck in an area the size of a small swimming pool.)

Sorry, way off-topic.
 
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The Pacific Gyre "Island of trash" didn't come up did it? :D

Naw, if he's talking about the thread that I think he's talking about, the origons of the deadzone in the Gulf of Mexico were being discussed, and I made the 'mistake' of mentioning septic tank maintenance as being a contributing factor which, naturally, led to a debate regarding the significance and relevance of septic tank maintenance to the nutrient loading of the Mississippi.
 
I still remember that thread about ocean pollution we were in shortly after I joined this forum, at least I think I remember you being quite expert in the field and you talked about poorly maintained septic systems which caused considerable pollution problems.
Thanks :*)

I'm really not sure where the well is in relation to any septic system because it served a residence on this lot before the place I'm staying in now was put in (Prefab). So the one well serves two residences now.
If you're on a septic tank system, it would probably be a good idea to find out where the tank is, and where the disposal is.

Even if you're not worried about it entering the well, you need to be wary of things like vehicle access, as a vehicle can damage your tank and your disposal pipes.
 
Thanks :*)

If you're on a septic tank system, it would probably be a good idea to find out where the tank is, and where the disposal is.

Even if you're not worried about it entering the well, you need to be wary of things like vehicle access, as a vehicle can damage your tank and your disposal pipes.

I know where my septic goes and it's not close to the driveway.

I have a question about how would one of those oil spills affect a desalination plant in the affected area, like the Gulf?
 
I know where my septic goes and it's not close to the driveway.

I have a question about how would one of those oil spills affect a desalination plant in the affected area, like the Gulf?
Not sure, off the top of my head. I imagine it depends on a bunch of factors, like what fraction of volatiles have already been worked off, the average droplet size, and the method of desalinization used.
 
Not sure, off the top of my head. I imagine it depends on a bunch of factors, like what fraction of volatiles have already been worked off, the average droplet size, and the method of desalinization used.

The reverse osmosis method. I'm thinking the filters would plug up fast and basically shut the whole system down. If there was a city that is dependent on that system, what could they do on short notice?
 
The Pacific Gyre "Island of trash" didn't come up did it? Urban legend talks about an "island of trash". Reality check: In fact, the "island" averages 1 particle (about the size and weight of a seed of grass) - per 3 square metres. That is one speck in an area the size of a small swimming pool.)
That is indeed true of the phenomenon on the average. It's invisible to satellites and aircraft, and in general most of its components aren't quite large enough to spot from the deck of a ship. However, it is visible from smaller craft:
Wikipedia: Great Pacific Garbage Patch said:
Charles J. Moore, returning home through the North Pacific Gyre after competing in the Transpac sailing race in 1997, came upon an enormous stretch of floating debris. Moore alerted the oceanographer Curtis Ebbesmeyer, who subsequently dubbed the region the "Eastern Garbage Patch" (EGP). The area is frequently featured in media reports as an exceptional example of marine pollution.
 
One seldom noticed but very long lived ocean pollutant is the insoluble, not biodegradable, fibers in the filters of cigarettes. Think about that next time you flip a cigarette butt into the gutter.
 
The reverse osmosis method. I'm thinking the filters would plug up fast and basically shut the whole system down. If there was a city that is dependent on that system, what could they do on short notice?

I'm not sure, I'm not intimately familiar with the ins and outs of how an RO unit would work.

Presumably they could flush the filters (blow some clean water back through them) to clean them.

Presumably they have to do this periodicaly anyway to them clean.
 
ICP is the best and close to being (if not already) the most cost effective large or tiny scale desalination system. It is still new technology so perhaps a lot of people here might not believe in it yet.
 
ICP is the best and close to being (if not already) the most cost effective large or tiny scale desalination system. It is still new technology so perhaps a lot of people here might not believe in it yet.

Your going to have to be a little more forthcoming if you want anybody to know what IPC is other than Insane Clown Posse, or a whole list of other abbreviations for IPC.
 
I'm not sure, I'm not intimately familiar with the ins and outs of how an RO unit would work.

Presumably they could flush the filters (blow some clean water back through them) to clean them.

Presumably they have to do this periodicaly anyway to them clean.

Apparently they don't use back flush on the membranes but pretreatment as described below. Any oil contamination is going to be a problem of some concern IMO.

Pretreatment

Pretreatment is important when working with RO and nanofiltration (NF) membranes due to the nature of their spiral wound design. The material is engineered in such a fashion as to allow only one-way flow through the system. As such, the spiral wound design does not allow for backpulsing with water or air agitation to scour its surface and remove solids. Since accumulated material cannot be removed from the membrane surface systems, they are highly susceptible to fouling (loss of production capacity). Therefore, pretreatment is a necessity for any RO or NF system. Pretreatment in SWRO systems has four major components:
Screening of solids: Solids within the water must be removed and the water treated to prevent fouling of the membranes by fine particle or biological growth, and reduce the risk of damage to high-pressure pump components.
Cartridge filtration: Generally, string-wound polypropylene filters are used to remove particles of 1–5 µm diameter.
Dosing: Oxidizing biocides, such as chlorine, are added to kill bacteria, followed by bisulfite dosing to deactivate the chlorine, which can destroy a thin-film composite membrane. There are also biofouling inhibitors, which do not kill bacteria, but simply prevent them from growing slime on the membrane surface and plant walls.
Prefiltration pH adjustment: If the pH, hardness and the alkalinity in the feedwater result in a scaling tendency when they are concentrated in the reject stream, acid is dosed to maintain carbonates in their soluble carbonic acid form.
CO32– + H3O+ = HCO3– + H2O HCO3– + H3O+ = H2CO3 + H2O Carbonic acid cannot combine with calcium to form calcium carbonate scale. Calcium carbonate scaling tendency is estimated using the Langelier saturation index. Adding too much sulfuric acid to control carbonate scales may result in calcium sulfate, barium sulfate or strontium sulfate scale formation on the RO membrane.
Prefiltration antiscalants: Scale inhibitors (also known as antiscalants) prevent formation of all scales compared to acid, which can only prevent formation of calcium carbonate and calcium phosphate scales. In addition to inhibiting carbonate and phosphate scales, antiscalants inhibit sulfate and fluoride scales, disperse colloids and metal oxides. Despite claims that antiscalants can inhibit silica formation, there is no concrete evidence to prove that silica polymerization can be inhibited by antiscalants. Antiscalants can control acid soluble scales at a fraction of the dosage required to control the same scale using sulfuric acid.
Some small scale desalination units use Beach wells, they are usually drilled on the seashore in close vicinity to the ocean. These intake facilities are relatively simple to build and the seawater they collect is pretreated via slow filtration through the subsurface sand/seabed formations in the area of source water extraction. Raw seawater collected using beach wells is often of better quality in terms of solids, silt, oil and grease, natural organic contamination and aquatic microorganisms, compared to open seawater intakes. Sometimes, beach intakes may also yield source water of lower salinity.
 
Your going to have to be a little more forthcoming if you want anybody to know what IPC is other than Insane Clown Posse, or a whole list of other abbreviations for IPC.

That's his "Ion Concentration Polarization" thing, described in a previous post.
 
Apparently they don't use back flush on the membranes but pretreatment as described below. Any oil contamination is going to be a problem of some concern IMO.

The filtration steps might be sufficient to remove the oil though. I guess that would depend on the droplet size as much as anything else.

But I'm speculating here. You've almost piqued my curiosity now, I might have to have a look when I get home from work.
 
That's his "Ion Concentration Polarization" thing, described in a previous post.

That post was was a while ago, I would have spelled it out rather than use the very common 3 letter acronym. But yes the ICP does look promising for many applications. Although OR can also be scaled down, I've actually had 2 different under the sink OR filters installed at two houses I lived in, and they worked very well. But they did cost several hundred dollars to buy and install. But I always thought it was money well spent.
 
Someone tell me if harvesting polar ice caps into giants cement boxes and burying them in the ground while they melt into fresh drinking water is a bad idea.
 
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