Vociferous
Valued Senior Member
If you think that's the end of the argument, you haven't read a single page of this thread.It's always interesting when US gun proponents trot out the 2nd amendment.
"It's all right and good that there are more guns than people in the US. The second amendment says so!"
As if that is the end of the argument.
It's a straw man that I haven't seen anyone here make.
Many times more defensive uses of guns than gun crimes.The obvious question a sensible person would ask is: is this sacred second amendment of yours a good law? Does its effect result in a net good for the nation, or does it create so much sorrow and injury that it should be dispensed with?
The vast majority of gun crimes occur in Democrat-run cities with the strictest gun control laws.There's a blindness to the harm that those who support the gun lobby all share. They are willing to ignore the great and obvious harm that guns cause in the United States. In the end, they are willing to put up with mass shootings of innocent people, the gun murder rate, the many accidental deaths, the gun suicides and so on, just to feel like they have personal power and autonomy in this aspect of their lives.
They obviously don't work when the root causes of violence and crime are not addressed.
They are not "willing to put up with mass shootings of innocent people, the gun murder rate", which is why they believe people have a right to defend themselves, instead of the police showing up later to pick up the bodies.
Accidental deaths are a very small and improving percent, and suicides are not a gun problem. Just look at the suicide rate across western countries, where you'll find Belgium, France, Sweden, Finland, and Switzerland higher than the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
Who said tyranny from our own government was the only threat?It's such an interesting reflection on one brand of the American psyche.
The fact is: you won't ever use your guns to defend yourself from an imagined tyranny by your government. Your citizens' militia would have zero chance against your highly trained and expensively equipped technological professional military, if it ever came to that. These arguments that you're the last bastion of freedom with your gun are little more than self-important strutting. And while you spend your time doing that, your people are dying, every day.
Will you ever wake up?
But the modern US military had trouble with far lesser armed civilians in Vietnam and Afghanistan.
You're people are also dying every day. Whether from terrorists in trucks, knives, etc.. It's trivially true of any people.