Why do most people find science boring?

[QUOTE="river, post: 3316810, member:
Lay people can be just as intelligent and sometimes more so because they are restricted by reputation, in order to keep their job, ridicule from peers and financial considerations.[/QUOTE]
Of course some lay people are just as Intelligent!
And their intelligence as such, should see them having no problem in standing on the shoulders of giants that have gone before them, and recognising pseudoscience when it is presented to them, and subsequently avoiding ridicule from their peers.
 
From post #340 pad:

Lay people can be just as intelligent and sometimes more so because they are not restricted by reputation, in order to keep their job, ridicule from peers and financial considerations.
 
From post #340 pad:

Lay people can be just as intelligent and sometimes more so because they are not restricted by reputation, in order to keep their job, ridicule from peers and financial considerations.
Agreed, and their intelligence as such, should see them having no problem in standing on the shoulders of giants that have gone before them, and recognising pseudoscience when it is presented to them, and subsequently avoiding ridicule from their peers.
I'm not interested in unsupported rumour mongering and conspiracies.
 
Agreed, and their intelligence as such, should see them having no problem in standing on the shoulders of giants that have gone before them, and recognising pseudoscience when it is presented to them, and subsequently avoiding ridicule from their peers.
I'm not interested in unsupported rumour mongering and conspiracies.

Shoulders of giants!!! ; you are stuck in the past pad. While I respect these men ; I'm not stuck in their thinking as you seem or really are. Let the past go pad. Move on.

What is Pseudoscience is about perspective, and mindset pad.
 
Shoulders of giants!!! ; you are stuck in the past pad. While I respect these men ; I'm not stuck in their thinking as you seem or really are. Let the past go pad. Move on.
"Standing on the shoulders of giants" is not just the past, it is the way the scientific method worked when it was created and still works today. Saying "I'm not stuck in their thinking" is foolish because their thinking was and still is good. What you are really saying is that you prefer ignorance and failure to knowledge and success! Indeed, that's a common crackpot way of thinking because reality in many cases presents too much of a restriction against peoples' dreams. So people will actively avoid learning in order to not risk killing their dream of (for example) perpetual motion or faster than light travel.
What is Pseudoscience is about perspective, and mindset pad.
Correct. And you're advocating the pseduoscience perspective/mindset. The science mindset is "standing on the shoulders of giants".

This is a different (from the OP), but still very real issue that laypeople have with science. Yes, some find it boring. But others find it too limiting.
 
Shoulders of giants!!! ; you are stuck in the past pad. While I respect these men ; I'm not stuck in their thinking as you seem or really are. Let the past go pad. Move on.
I'm not stuck in any aspect but I do recognise superior thinking backed by evidence and I recognise their work and the foundations they have laid which at times [when it suits you] you seem to ignore.
What is Pseudoscience is about perspective, and mindset pad.

Absolutely wrong.
Pseudoscience is about fabricating certain scenarios, generally avoiding aligning with the scientific methodology and peer review, and are mostly recognised even by lay people due to their stupid claims and lack of scientific basis.
 
Richard Dawkins on Pseudoscience:
If you are in possession of this revolutionary secret of science, why not prove it and be hailed as the new Newton? Of course, we know the answer. You can't do it. You are a fake.
Richard Dawkins on pseudoscientists
 
Richard Dawkins on Pseudoscience:
If you are in possession of this revolutionary secret of science, why not prove it and be hailed as the new Newton? Of course, we know the answer. You can't do it. You are a fake.
Richard Dawkins on pseudoscientists

These type of people are fools. And always will be.

Because proof to these people is based on what they can understand. They are limited to what their brains and therefore minds can understand. Anything beyond this they call " BS ".
 
These type of people are fools. And always will be.

Because proof to these people is based on what they can understand. They are limited to what their brains and therefore minds can understand. Anything beyond this they call " BS ".
Ridiculous. "Proof" is simply demonstrating that what someone claims is true. The fool is the one who claims to have invented perpetual motion and then sues the US Patent Office because they demand a functional demonstration before they will accept the patent application. And, of course, the fool who follows the fool is also a fool.

There is a good reason, river, why scientists succeed at expanding and applying our understanding of the world and pseudo/nonscientists don't.
 
These type of people are fools. And always will be.

Because proof to these people is based on what they can understand. They are limited to what their brains and therefore minds can understand. Anything beyond this they call " BS ".
And your "understanding" and your "mind" is able to comprehend what these "fools" cannot? :D
Yeah sure river. Go take a Disprin and have a good lay down old fella!
*mumbling and giggling to myself* "delusions of grandeur gone crazy"!
 
Ridiculous. "Proof" is simply demonstrating that what someone claims is true. The fool is the one who claims to have invented perpetual motion and then sues the US Patent Office because they demand a functional demonstration before they will accept the patent application. And, of course, the fool who follows the fool is also a fool.

There is a good reason, river, why scientists succeed at expanding and applying our understanding of the world and pseudo/nonscientists don't.

Just as those who thought the Earth was flat. Until proven otherwise.

The thing is this; when science, mainstream science think that the only way to think upon this Universe is their way we become; stupid. We become hubris.

The Universe is not about us , our thinking about it because it changes nothing about this Universe.

The Universe is about it, as it is. Once we Understand this then we can advance.
 
These type of people are fools. And always will be.

Because proof to these people is based on what they can understand. They are limited to what their brains and therefore minds can understand. Anything beyond this they call " BS ".
Just as those who thought the Earth was flat. Until proven otherwise.

The thing is this; when science, mainstream science think that the only way to think upon this Universe is their way we become; stupid. We become hubris.

The Universe is not about us , our thinking about it because it changes nothing about this Universe.

The Universe is about it, as it is. Once we Understand this then we can advance.

You blatantly contradict yourself and you wonder why people think you're a fool?
 
The thing is this; when science, mainstream science think that the only way to think upon this Universe is their way we become; stupid. We become hubris.
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And your "understanding" and your "mind" is able to comprehend what these "fools" cannot? :D

Some of this understanding that river possesses that the scientists he calls fools can not....Giants, Bigfoot, UFOs and Alien abductions and anal probing, ghosts, goblins, long defunct discredited theories etc etc.
I humbly suggest he has been anal probed once too often! :D
 
Some of this understanding that river possesses that the scientists he calls fools can not....Giants, Bigfoot, UFOs and Alien abductions and anal probing, ghosts, goblins, long defunct discredited theories etc etc.
I humbly suggest he has been anal probed once too often! :D

Thats all you got pad.

I have been called worse and by better than you.:D
 
Just as those who thought the Earth was flat. Until proven otherwise.
I don't see what that has to do with anything. It sounds like you just fell for the crackpot myth that scientists used to think the world was flat. In fact, scholarly people have known for millenia - long before science even existed - that the earth was round. But why you'd bring that up, I don't know.
The thing is this; when science, mainstream science think that the only way to think upon this Universe is their way we become; stupid.
Nonsense. It is a fact that science is the only way to think upon the universe that has produced consistent results (understanding of the universe). Progress in understanding the universe stagnated for millenia until science was invented and exploded afterwards. Today, no other method is used by the mainstream simply because no other method has been shown to consistently work.

One might think that by random chance/luck some other method/person might occasionally contribute/discover something useful, but it never happens. Why? Because for the most part, those people are far, far, below the level of the current scientific knowledge and have blinders on (they are the closed-minded ones, not the scientists). They tend to focus on easy/simple/long-ago-discarded failed concepts like perpetual motion machines.
 
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The thing is this; when science, mainstream science think that the only way to think upon this Universe is their way we become; stupid. And hubris.

Nonsense. It is a fact that science is the only way to think upon the universe that has produced consistent results (understanding of the universe). Progress in understanding the universe stagnated for millenia until science was invented and exploded afterwards. Today, no other method is used by the mainstream simply because no other method has been shown to consistently work.

You misunderstand me. Science is important. No doubt. But mainstream science has become hubris. Notice the insults. Not calm rational discussion, but insults. This is NOT science this is a hubris attitude. It must stop.

IN the science community it is not uncommon to DESTROY a colleague for unconventional thinking. Thats not science. That is being MEAN. Dictatorial. And controlling the thinking in the sciences. They stifle original thinking.

Unconventional is the foundation of progressive and advanced science.
 
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:) In that short paragraph you have in my opinion painted yourself as a pompous egotistical crank, that sees yourself as the "light, the truth and the way" Your total philosophical outlook on life in general, it appears is all you can and ever will consider. The rest you just don't care about, to use your own words.
Like the Cocky on the biscuit tin, you aint in it.
This is simply an example of a personal attack. But, given that the discussion was anyway already about behaviour, it was not ad hominem. Simply a personal attack. As such, it is simply unbased. I have made a point that I know a little bit more about physics than what one expects from a book for laymen without math, given the evidence that I have several published papers, and one can criticize any such positive description of the own person as "pompous". But how does this justify "egotistical" or "crank" or seeing myself as "light, the truth and the way"? The last sentence is also completely unrelated to the text, thus, unbased. Moreover, to conclude from a few postings in a forum about life in general is - in general - extremely problematic. It is well-known that many people who behave in extremely aggressive ways online are in real life unproblematic nice guys.
Of course you have judged the book. You have judged the book to be below your pay grade. You have inferred that there is nothing you are able to learn.
No. I do not exclude at all that it may contain interesting things for me. As well as I do not exclude that rereading Winnie the Pooh may give me something.
And even if that was the case [which I doubt very much :rolleyes:] All you needed to do was politely acknowledge it. But no not you. You go into a contempuous childish sarcasm mode and offer a child's book in return.
Because I think, and continue to think, given all the answers, that this was the adequate, symmetric answer.
And rather ironic you finish off your preaching about "civilised society" when you propose another extreme form of society.
A libertarian society is a society which takes some basic moral principles, in particular the Golden Rule, and the Non-Aggression Principle, seriously. If you think it is extreme to require that every institution, even a state, has to accept them - ok, that would mean that it is an extreme form of society. I simply think that it makes no sense to exclude the state from the general rules of moral - it is an organization of people, not more, thus, the only point which may allow it to behave amorally would be the idea that the strongest group in a society does not have to care about morals.

I think this is an uncivilized idea. And I think a libertarian society, given that it is based on these moral principles, will be a quite civilized one.
 
You have published nothing more than highly theoretical concepts which have not been accepted and will languish and eventually totally be forgotten.
I don't care about your predictions - the facts are that several of my papers have been accepted by peer-reviewed journals.
Again, you convict yourself as an egotistical pompous self appraised knowall who needs to learn nothing more. :shrug:
Not at all - but I see a difference between a recommendation to read a physics introduction for laymen, without math, for learning some basics which I don't know yet (without evidence that I don't know this), and the usual way of scientific communication, where one first refers to the claim which is criticized as wrong, usually by quoting the opponent, and then justifying this claim by scientific counterarguments. And, again, if such a counterargument would have been a quote from this book, no problem.

The first thing I have considered a sarcastic attack, and I have adequately answered it with a symmetric counterattack, the second would be something from which I could really learn something. This interpretation was independent of the quality of the book itself (it is, by the way, a good book), and in fact supported by the answer.
 
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