Why are "religious" con men given free reign.

[paddoboy]

But we all know that's not true, and your concern is good evidence of that.

You come to a science forum, on your white charger, preaching unscientific nonsense and lies, then you attempt more dishonesty and waffle on about scientific concerns? Grow up Jan, your rhetorical reversal of facts aint fooling anyone.

The whale evolution thing is comedy. I didn't know scientists had such a sense of humour.

Deny all the scientific facts you like Jan, we all have one common ancestor. Your close cousins [those still swinging in the trees] would be disappointed by your continuing lack of logic and sensibility.

But I do realise threads light up when I post. I think it is because I see things from the ordinary man in the street way, rather than the pretence of comprehending the gobbledygook designed to bamboozle folk.

Correction. You actually see things from the position of fear and anguish, and not being able to accept the finality of death.
And in actual fact, the member Toroko that admitted such beliefs are only based on faith, is a far better example of a "the man on the street" at least the desirable man on the street, that doesn't need to lie, misinterpret, redefine, to give those beliefs some sort of foundation.

It's sad that a bloke of your years do not have the ability to really think about things.
Why do you waste your time writing this piffle?

Why do you waste your time to come to a science forum, to preach your nonsense. Why do you practise trying to defraud people's minds and fill them with shit? That's even sadder, for any adult bloke of any age. Probably your gullibility, aligned with your psychotic delusions and self gratuitous image you have of yourself. None of that crap will overcome the facts of Darwinism and the theory of evolution, along with the finality of death.

 

[paddoboy]

The whale evolution thing is comedy. I didn't know scientists had such a sense of humour.

How far have you evolved Jan?

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

How far have you evolved Jan?

Got a photo of a fish?

I think Jan probably now accepts evolution given all the evidence we have provided and even Jan in his own small way helped himself reach the conclusion that evolution can see, in effect, "dogs", rather dog like creatures over time leave the land and become whales by posting that wonderful little video showing the gradual change from dog like to whale...

Even Jan must accept that if we are to chose between science, which is never wrong incidently..never wrong..folk miss that fact...to choose between science and ancient scripture containing so many mistakes that it can not retain any credibility in providing history or science we can happily go with the science.

The trouble for Jan it has become personal, that's why we see the sidestepping etc. And such is unfortunate because although I strongly suspect Jan now realises that yes dogs turn into whales over time and fish into humans in time he will not admit any of this to us...which helps us realise the problem this false ego Jan must manage.

Jan reminds me of one of my many brother in laws...he was having an arguement and just would not back down..his opponent went away and I said...you know you are wrong don't you...and he said ..yes I know he is right but I will never give him the satisfaction of me saying that I am wrong..

Unbelievable but that is the truth...

And there are folk like that...Jan can only know we are safe with the conclusions of science and can only rate ancient scripture as entirely unreliable ...how could he conclude otherwise...I think Jan is like my brother in law...the pride driven by ego just will not let him say that he was wrong.

Let's face it...the insults clearly demonstrates that he has nothing left but resentment that he has be proved entirely wrong.

You notice he offers no support for ID these days which shows that he realises that was just another con to get believers to part with their cash.

I hope you are well Paddo and I will take this opportunity to thank you for the wonderful science news you post I did like the lensing thread..I knew but I re read so much and enjoyed it heaps.

It's a pity that all these folk who don't read their bible and then make claims that said bible usually does not support could not use their time to study the Big Bang Theory, and The Theory of Evolution...even germ theory so they can realise that illness is not due to demons...demons..isn't that just so funny.

Have a great day.
Alex

 

[billvon]

Why have men been given free reign over the centuries?

Because they are physically stronger than women, in general. And until recently that meant they could use force to assert their dominance.

 

[wegs]

Because they are physically stronger than women, in general. And until recently that meant they could use force to assert their dominance.

Yes, you're right.

 

[Jan Ardena]

I did?

Yes. Though indirectly.

Someone must have pulled the wool over your eyes.

I just put it down to your Woolley thought process.

No sheep are not exclusive to Australia but I think we have about 80 million..I have their names here somewhere.

Don’t worry, I’ll wait.

And now you must see why metaphors are a poor way of getting an idea across.

Woolley ones like yours, yes.

It sure is..We get a big laugh listening to creationist trying to discredit the notion.

There’s nothing to discredit.
We just have to be there when poor darwinists wake up and realise they been duped.

You can be forgiven, they are always coming up with findings to make people laugh at the crazy notion of creation and intelligent design.

They need what they perceive, as a few evolutionary steps to attain that level of understanding. Usually they spout gobbledygook which resets their belief system.

Of course they do Jan you say so many funny things you will always draw a croud.

I take it you mean crowd?

It is sad probably all that booze and trying to remember the sheep's names.

Probably just the booze.
If you are a boozer.
You may not be, but you sometimes come across as one.

Define time.

Why?

 

[Jan Ardena]

Deny all the scientific facts you like Jan, we all have one common ancestor.

God, is the common ancestor.

Correction. You actually see things from the position of fear and anguish, and not being able to accept the finality of death.

This is so funny.
Explicits act like they’ve overcome fear, or fear of death. Is that an darwinist thing?

And in actual fact, the member Toroko that admitted such beliefs are only based on faith, is a far better example of a "the man on the street" at least the desirable man on the street, that doesn't need to lie, misinterpret, redefine, to give those beliefs some sort of foundation.

You’re the liar here Paddo.
You’re the one who denies and reject God.
You’re the one who pretends to accept notions like macroevolution, and abiogenesis.
Pretend being the operative word.
We’ve been down the whole “show reasonable evidence” why you accept, and you fail everytime.
You cannot even offer a reasonable explanation as to why you would accept. You have nothing. Anything you spout, from that nothing, is a lie.

Why do you waste your time to come to a science forum, to preach your nonsense.

To preach is to give a sermon.
A sermon is to talk about a religious, or moral subject, usually given in a church service. Another example of you lying again I think.
But the biggest lie is referring to my schooling of you, as nonsense.

None of that crap will overcome the facts of Darwinism and the theory of evolution, along with the finality of death.

The dogma is strong with you Paddo.
I don’t know if I can help you. You may be too far gone. At some point, hopefully before your final moments as Paddo, there may be a window of opportunity. A moment where you can denounce your delusion.

 

[paddoboy]

God, is the common ancestor.

So we are all gods? Your so funny Jan, funny peculiar, not funny haha.

This is so funny.
Explicits act like they’ve overcome fear, or fear of death. Is that an darwinist thing?

It happens..it is finality, just learn to accept it. All the crusading in the world won't make any difference.

You’re the liar here Paddo.

I'll go on the printed records on this forum showing who is the liar.

You’re the one who denies and reject God.

Read it whatever way you like. All I;m claiming, is that science explains the universe evolution via the BB, Darwinism and the theory of evolution, making such a creature superfluous and mythical at best.

You’re the one who pretends to accept notions like macroevolution, and abiogenesis.
Pretend being the operative word.

The operative word is psychotic delusion attributed to you in actual fact.

We’ve been down the whole “show reasonable evidence” why you accept, and you fail everytime.
You cannot even offer a reasonable explanation as to why you would accept. You have nothing. Anything you spout, from that nothing, is a lie.

The evidence is here Jan, of your misuse and redefining of words, the lies upon lies to support the crumbling foundation of your claims and your lack of logic.

 

[paddoboy]

To preach is to give a sermon.
A sermon is to talk about a religious, or moral subject, usually given in a church service. Another example of you lying again I think.

While you may not be in a church, it is painfully obvious you are preaching...you know, what preachers do? con, lie, be deceitful, misquote, redefine. This forum is covered with such methods attributed to you.

But the biggest lie is referring to my schooling of you, as nonsense.

As I have mentioned a couple of times now, your psychotic delusions have reached a stage where probably medical intervention is warranted?

The dogma is strong with you Paddo.
I don’t know if I can help you. You may be too far gone. At some point, hopefully before your final moments as Paddo, there may be a window of opportunity. A moment where you can denounce your delusion.

I would be more concerned with the facts Jan and avoid your delusions. While I have raised the following point before, it aptly illustrates the methodology you employ with your preaching...you know, the lies upon lies, upon more lies, upon even more lies. I know many christians and believers Jan, most like Toroko that expressed his beliefs in a previous thread, are humble enough, are reasonable and logic enough, to accept and understand that such beliefs are entirely based on faith. Many of them also understand the great strides in knowledge that science has given us, like the BB evolutionary process of the universe, the theory of evolution and Darwinism. They are big enough and man enough, and sensible enough to understand that any IDer beliefs are based entirely on faith. They humbly accept that fact. They don't go on crusades, preaching false anti science nonsense, telling lies, redefining of words to support those lies. They simply accept that what they believe is based on faith. And Jan, I admired Toroko for that, which obviously pissed you off when I raise it, and I admire other theists who are man enough to admit that their beliefs are based on faith. Many of them are my friends. Unlike you, they prefer honesty and humbleness.
You need to seriously think about that honesty instead of digging your hole deeper and deeper and continue with your obvious questionable qualities and delusions.

Oh Jan, just in case you see the need to indulge in more lies re my absence from this forum at times, I am also doing some preparation with regards to some charity work..it's called "meals on wheels" Something you probably don't really understand with your preoccupation in defending your position, albeit with lies and such.

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

I take it you mean crowd?

So subtle you missed it... from dictionary.com

croud
Noun
(plural crouds)

1. Obsolete form of crowd.

Seeing you are into obsolete stuff from the past.

Alex

 

[billvon]

God, is the common ancestor.

God has DNA? Cool! Where did God get his mitochondrial DNA?

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

Don’t worry, I’ll wait

They are all called Jan...they are named after ewe.

There’s nothing to discredit.

Of course they can not discredit science but they try, and of course they waste their time as I have pointed out one can throw evolution away but it's absence goes no way to establishing a creator.

We just have to be there when poor darwinists wake up and realise they been duped.

Have you been drinking the holy water?

The science is established, the evidence supports the science and there is even a compelling cartoon video ...what more do you want...more scotch in your holy water?

Usually they spout gobbledygook which resets their belief system.

What you are saying is the language is beyond you, and I expect that is why it all goes over your head...look at the cartoon video again ...in any event there is no better explaination unless you have one.
Like where do whales come from if not from dogs and where do backbones come from if not from fish ...it all fits just perfect and I know you must know that...you remind me me of my brother in law who knew he was wrong but his ego would not let him admit it..it's ok Jan the fact you don't offer a better explanation tells us you have accepted the science.

Probably just the booze.

Probably.

If you are a boozer.

If? I thought you had me all worked out.

You may not be, but you sometimes come across as one.

Do you think so...do you mean the way I stagger a bit ... Come on please tell me you have made me self conscious.. this is terrible ..I better have a drink to feel better about myself...where do you buy your holy water?

Why?

If you can't define time just say so..in any event I withdraw my request so you are off the hook.

Alex

 

[paddoboy]

They are all called Jan...they are named after ewe.

That will go right over his head Alex!

 

[Michael 345]

The below is from a

A Mustang jockey gives a blow-by-blow account of an escort mission during a 1,000-bomber raid on a German oil refinery

(They had just finished their briefing about their mission)

Outside we pause for prayers. Around midpoint in my tour I stopped praying, having noticed none of my squadron leaders joined in. I also noted that some of those who had prayed most fervently got killed. I saw that praying gave comfort, but no favor whether one lives or dies. I also knew my mom was praying for me—and she had surely earned more points with God than I. *And weren’t the Germans praying to the same God as our side?*

My emphasis this part. Seems like god needs to choose a side

 

[Schmelzer]

I look at the various religious leaders and I don't think that I am being unreasonable but there really seems to be a number who are just con men...it would seem that if these folk were not opperating under the guise of religion they would be treated as con men for knowingly defrauding people.
Why are they tolerated?

It is well-known that fighting such con men may end in a quite bloody way. Remember Waco? Was it worth to kill all those who have died there just for "not tolerating" that con man?

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

It is well-known that fighting such con men may end in a quite bloody way. Remember Waco? Was it worth to kill all those who have died there just for "not tolerating" that con man?

Interesting.

I don't have the answers for you or how to produce what I would consider a better set up than we have.

I see the enemy as fantasy but I am a very small minority. Iwonder if the con men in religion are at all different to the movie producers of Hollywood ... Clearly most humans enjoy fantasy and I am the odd one out. So many need their invisable friend, or a powerful car to make them feel significant, or fancy clothes or jewellery to stand out... I find it hard to understand or accept but I do not ever need to ask "what is the point or purpose" of humans ....

I guess all the con men contribute in some way else they would not get paid.
In any event I am over it ... Even if the world became my Utopia I would still be a hermit.
Alex

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

I had an interesting conversation with a Christian the other day. As they do every second sentence is Jesus this or that..I usually keep quiet but unfortunately this time I could not just sit and listen to their nonsense..So I pointed out the fact there were multiple human gods all with the Jesus MO prior to Jesus all around the place and that the history tells us Jesus was a Roman invention, that slavery was ok by god, that man won't survive in the belly of a whale...well I kept piling it on, given there is an inexhaustible supply of flaws and terrible morality within the good book.

Have you read your Bible Cover to Cover I ask..guess what no yes or no but waffle waffle waffle...so having presented some concerns and clearly causing doubt I get this cop out.."I don't care if it's right or wrong..I have my beliefs and the truth is not important..I am happy"... How does that work?

Why can't folk escape this sinister confusion?

You know or at least have good indication that your belief is built on unstable ground and your defence is no more than that you don't care about the truth...

Is the truth negotiable?

It is so sad folk are so brain washed they will stick to the story when clearly they know the god story is wrong.

Is not truth the ultimate goal?

Are these folk so desperate for an after life they will tell the lie over and over in the hope it will become real?

What a terrible sickness, ...
What is wrong with these people?

Alex

 

[pluto2]

God definitely cannot be real in my opinion otherwise this world would not have been so scary and cruel to so many people.

This planet is like a prison and many people are dying inside this prison everyday. Many people are killing themselves every day so if God was real and loving then He or She would actually prevent people from killing themselves due to the many hardships that these people encounter in their lives.

 

[river]

God definitely cannot be real in my opinion otherwise this world would not have been so scary and cruel to so many people.

This planet is like a prison and many people are dying inside this prison everyday. Many people are killing themselves every day so if God was real and loving then He or She would actually prevent people from killing themselves due to the many hardships that these people encounter in their lives.

This is way to simplistic .

 

[sowhatifit'sdark]

So many need their invisable friend, or a powerful car to make them feel significant, or fancy clothes or jewellery to stand out... I find it hard to understand or accept but I do not ever need to ask "what is the point or purpose" of humans ....

A way you could test to see if you are not like these people is to ONLY bring up the issue of religion when a religious person brings it up with you. IOW no complaining about them online, in general or about specific interactions. Because perhaps you need a 'them' to hold your identity together or sense of yourself. I don't know you, this may not be true at all. But perhaps bringing them up reinforces your sense of what you are not. And so you have a dynamic relation with theists in general based on an emotional need in you.