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Why are Racists Racist?
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Roman said:
How am I supposed to take you seriously when you make posts such as this one?
You have an entire professional class of blacks whom you ignore, and most of them are more educated than you. So where is your Phd? Bill Cosby has his, and there are millions like him. Where is yours?
Thanks,thedevilsreject said:
"The problem Asian Americans have is that they don't look like the rest of us. No matter how perfectly they learn to speak "white" English, no matter how well they assimilate to our culture in every other way, they are still easy to identify and they are still the targets of discrimination".
It went right over TimeTraveler's head.
Ganymede said:
Finally a post that makes sense.
The person who posted about Martin Luther King and Ghandi, if you cannot see the inner beauty of these two individuals then yes you are a racist.
Who did these two harm in their lives?
sorry you must have missed the sarcasm i my voice
Roman said:
So you would not want to live next to a black doctor? yes they do exist.
TimeTraveler said:
Gandhi Thought Black People Were Subhuman
Gandhi’s desire for Indians to be segregated from blacks was so strong that he went to Johannesburg in late August of 1904 to protest the placing of blacks in the Indian section of the city:
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/print.asp?page=2005\03\23\story_23-3-2005_pg4_24
Roman said:
This quote is just plain ignorant. Try killing every roach on earth. They are perfectly decentralized.
samcdkey said:Er, that was me. Did you read the post?
I was refuting what Muslim had said about Gandhi, showing how Gandhi's policy of non-violence inspired King.
That is because ghandi and king were of the same race, not by popular definition, but they had the same heart. Had they known each other I'm sure they'd have come to that conclusion as many followers of these two individuals were of all shapes and sizes, shades etc.
D'ster said:
I already refuted this back in the thread.
At this time in his life, Gandhi was like this:
When he became aware of the oppression of the people, he renounced all his older values and became like this:
He was a lawyer by education but he taught the dignity of humanity and non-violence.
So he said some things when he was younger; does that override all he did in his life?
D'ster said:
So now you are trying to make the case that Ghandi was a poser, a racist who only pretended to believe in what he said?
Ghandi was an Indian, in the early 1900s, this was a time where Blacks had just escaped slavery. What next?
You going to tell me Ghandi's opinion on the civil war?
TimeTraveler,
You aren't looking deep enough, at all. You're stuck with trite clichés that don't explain why things are.
I'm trying to explain racism and why it exists, not why we should be racist. I am simply explaining the biological reasons for why some people become racist. There is a predisposition among people to form groups.
Nowhere have I suggested anything. I have told you the way things are. I am not making normative statements. I am trying to explain what we are, why we are, and how come we are that way.
Our argument, would we be discussing, say volcanos, would be like this:
Roman: "Sometimes volcanos erupt, and sometimes these eruptions can kill people."
TimeTraveler: "Those volcanos shouldn't erupt. That's bad. I can't believe people like you would want volcanos to erupt and kill people. I simply don't understand that."
What do you know of individualism, TimeTraveler?
You aren't looking deep enough, at all. You're stuck with trite clichés that don't explain why things are.
I'm trying to explain racism and why it exists, not why we should be racist. I am simply explaining the biological reasons for why some people become racist. There is a predisposition among people to form groups.
Nowhere have I suggested anything. I have told you the way things are. I am not making normative statements. I am trying to explain what we are, why we are, and how come we are that way.
Our argument, would we be discussing, say volcanos, would be like this:
Roman: "Sometimes volcanos erupt, and sometimes these eruptions can kill people."
TimeTraveler: "Those volcanos shouldn't erupt. That's bad. I can't believe people like you would want volcanos to erupt and kill people. I simply don't understand that."
What do you know of individualism, TimeTraveler?
Bells
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Babies do by instinct fear and hate things that are different to themselves. This whole thread has had you go on and on about how much you "love" black people and everyone, except rich people, because of what seems to be an inate jealousy for those who seem to not only have more money than you, but also more education than you do. However, you have also stated that racism is only a learnt behaviour. Having been victim to racism since I was born, I can assure you that while yes, in part it is a learnt behaviour, it also stems from instinct. Do you honestly think that if I let my son continue with this inate fear of anyone dark skinned that it would simply disappear by itself? His basic instinct stems the fear and if I were to just let it go, it most probably would not go away. If I were to encourage it, it would not go away and most probably would get worse and yes he would become a racist.cool skill said:
A fear of the unknown can by its very nature lead to hate. Racism is not only learned but also stems from total ignorance (something you seem to be full of) and a complete lack of education (another thing you seem to identify with).
Racist little runt. So because I'm black (that's right you little turd, even though I'm olive skinned, my heritage denotes me as being black) you assume that I'm on drugs and uneducated?
You dare lecture the peon in the opening thread about how you love everyone, blah blah blah when you in fact do not. You are worse than he is. At least he was honest enough to admit his true feelings. You try come across as some altruistic little turd, when in fact you are a hateful and racist little turd.
You do not know racism because you have never had to face it. You are yourself racist. This whole thread has had you make statements about black people that are not only lacking in any sense but can be construed as being racist.
You accuse others of making presumptions? How about this one for a doozy:
Did I say that 'all white 11 MONTH olds cry and scream when they see dark skinned people'? I guess your lack of reading and comprehension will result in your seeing things that aren't really there. My whole post was to prove to you that not everyone is born loving everyone as though it were genetically predisposed. You try to convey that hate and fear is learnt, and while yes it is in part a learned behaviour, basic human instinct also plays a part.
And for your information, we are genetically predisposed to prefer those that look similar to us. And while our genes may play a part in feeling an attaction to someone who might look similarly to us, other factors do come into play which might lead us to become attracted to someone who looks completely different to what we do.
You still don't get it? Racism, like non racist behaviour, is in part a learned behaviour. Do you honestly think that you were born apparently 'loving everyone' (who was poor and as dumb as you if your opening post was any indication)? Because if you do, then you are the one who needs to do the research.
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You're talking about guilds.
Roman said:
Define an individual because I've never seen one.
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