where i come from, it is a scottish stereotype as well.G. F. Schleebenhorst said:
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Who was responsible for the 911 attacks?
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above? what kind of map are you using?
what else could have brought them down? seriously?cool skill said:Do you suppose that jet fuel could actually take down those towers in 10sec?
And the entire 3rd tower goes down the same way without getting hit by an airplane.
No real scientist would take such blatantly absurd notions seriously.
if you watch videos of controlled demolition of buildings you will notice that the building collapses starting FROM THE BOTTOM.
in both wtc1 and wtc2 the collapse initiates AT THE IMPACT SITE and the buildings, wtc1 and 2, collapse from the top down.
now seriously cool skill what brought those buildings down?
perplexity said:To achieve peace, deny their method but heed their concern.
---- Ron.
Another good line Ron.
You have to ask the question, 'Why are these people driven to do such things?'
And the answer is never 'because they are evil', 'because they are hateful', 'because they are jealous of the West/democracy', 'because they aren't christian', the answer is 'because we don't treat them the way they want to be treated'
I can understand terrrorism. I can understand revolt. What gives me faith in human nature is actually how easy these acts are, and how far we have to push people before they resort to such things.
People are generally good, we should not forget that, despite what the government and media want to tell us. We don't need special legislation to deal with the extremes, we need solid and fair legislation to cater for the norms, and discretion.
kalamazoo, michigan.....born and bred.Nickelodeon said:Are you sure?
its a catch 22 though, the rest of the world generally expects american to do more than most because they are the richest country in the world yet are criticised when other people think they should butt out
Who cares?leopold99 said:now seriously cool skill what brought those buildings down?
I know that anybody with anything above a kindergarten understaning of science knows what did not bring those 3 towers down.
it is interesting that you chose this analogy....and predictably uninformed..perplexity said:We expect dogs to shit in the street, but it doesn't mean we want them to.
--- Ron.
thedevilsreject said:its a catch 22 though, the rest of the world generally expects american to do more than most because they are the richest country in the world yet are criticised when other people think they should butt out
Power has to be used wisely, and America just doesn't act responsibly with the power that it has.
America bases all of it's foreign policy around capitalist, not humanist ideas. Whether that is overturning democratically elected govts in the other countries, applying steel tariffs, or waging a 'War on Terror', it's always about the dollars, and maintaining an asymmetric 'balance' of power .
This is why the US is criticised. I don't expect America to do more, btw, just to do their fair share. Paying up what they owe in UN Contribution arrears would be a start.
The Devil Inside said:it is interesting that you chose this analogy....and predictably uninformed..
Ron was spot on the money. We expect the USA to pursue capitalist concerns, and it always does. The USA didn't blaze the way for freedom when it came to Rwanda now did it? But when it comes to oil, it smells the money and runs like a man with dysentery.
I don't know about the latest, but the video I'm watching now is propaganda. Doesn't matter if it's RIGHT, if it starts with "Why did media cover it up?!?!!1?!?1", it's just begging to be slaughtered. If you're smart, use smart arguments, please. A smart argument doesn't present "evidence" that is based on assumptions the receiving end doesn't make. That's just "preaching to the choir", doesn't work on anyone else (anymore, thank god). Just because you say you're right doesn't mean you are. You have to base you're assumptions to facts others can assume to be true.
Like "how does a building collapse in eight seconds?" And don't quote someone else's arguments.
Like "how does a building collapse in eight seconds?" And don't quote someone else's arguments.
or, how did the buildings know to start collapsing at the impact site, and, why wasn't any unexploded bomb debris found in the wreckage?Ogmios said:Like "how does a building collapse in eight seconds?" And don't quote someone else's arguments.
your education isnt the responsibility of others.perplexity said:Indeed, you have yet to inform me of anything.
--- Ron.
move to america and spend time living in their environment, before likening them to a "shitting dog".
no, not even close. he spoke of the government's policies, not america.phlogistician said:Ron was spot on the money.
i agree with you fully, here. the only reason i know anything about Rwanda is because i independantly researched the situation. americans by and large are ignorant of such affairs, and this is because of the government's capitalist policies.phlogistician said:We expect the USA to pursue capitalist concerns, and it always does. The USA didn't blaze the way for freedom when it came to Rwanda now did it? But when it comes to oil, it smells the money and runs like a man with dysentery.
what a droll response, ignoring your own responsibility for your ignorance on the subject. do me a favor, and shush until you know something on the topic.perplexity said:We can already smell it from here, thanks.
--- Ron.
ANSWER:Ogmios said:Like "how does a building collapse in eight seconds?" And don't quote someone else's arguments.
Who cares?
I know how it did not collapse.
you werent talking about the september 11 attacks, you were talking about the american nation being a dog shitting.perplexity said:The 9/11 attacks?
I spent the best part of a couple of years of my life on it.
google for something like "Pentagon" with "Ron Harvey".
--- Ron.
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That position is just as oversimplified as the opposing one. Surely it's both possible and fair to assess blame on both sides. The fact remains that two wrongs don't make a right. Truly civilized people are capable of enduring a vast amount of uncivilized violent behavior, because to them the alternative of becoming uncivilized themselves is too high a price to pay. Just look to the people of Tibet for a role model. They have faith that some day China's bad karma will come back to make things right, without Tibetans having to start murdering Chinese children, artists, and teachers.phlogistician said:You have to ask the question, 'Why are these people driven to do such things?' And the answer is never 'because they are evil', 'because they are hateful', 'because they are jealous of the West/democracy', 'because they aren't christian', the answer is 'because we don't treat them the way they want to be treated'.
People are treated unfairly every day and don't become terrorists.
The people of the Middle East were treated far worse by the British and the Ottomans than by the Americans. We are hardly "the great Satan" from a historical perspective.
Without excusing the behavior of America's selfish, hubris-driven leaders and the proudly ignorant portion of the citizenry who have been duped into supporting them, it's still an important and reasonable question to ask, why is it so easy for so many Muslims to become sociopaths when times get tough?
Personally I see the most significant difference between this era and that of British and Ottoman colonialism as the rise of Israel. I wonder whether they find that more objectionable than anything else in the modern world, and as long as we support the Jewish state we will always be the Great Satan.
It could come down to sheer racism. Look at the collapse of civilized behavior that antisemitism generated in Germany.
huh?The Devil Inside said:americans by and large are ignorant of such affairs, and this is because of the government's capitalist policies.
this is a failure of the people not educating themselves, and not the governments fault.