Huh???
Ah I was being facetious, as there is always a conspiracy theory whenever terrorists are mentioned I thought I'd get in first.
On a serious note I wasn't aware of the "terrorists are rich kids" stereotype.
Huh???
Do you apply the same in-depth, trenchant analysis to all issues, or was it pure luck you came up with such a penetrating insight in this instance?REPLY: WRONG: They are a bunch of dickheads who can`t get laid and think being a martyr will get them 72 virgins. A bunch of goat f`ers who can`t get a woman to have sex with them. That is my conclusion. ...traveler
I pegged him for an american when he started calling muslims goat fuckers. While europeans can be just as hateful and stupid that kind of sustained shit jsut strikes me as a product of the arrogance a lot of ignorant americans have.Actually, people generally find fault with your ignorant, machismo-laden chest-beating.
If you were actually European, the issue would be misrepresentation. But not everyone who finds fault with you thinks you're European. Some just think you're, well ... not ... um ... smart? ... credible? Something like that.
Some find your hateful belligerence loathsome. Others find it pathetic. Seems to me, though, that it is suggestive of deep psychological insecurity.
And, as you might have noticed, few will simply do the logical thing, which is ignore you. But that's sort of the nature of virtual communities. You come in here and spray all over our walls like an alley cat, and people will generally have something to say about it.
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A note to my Sciforums neighbors:
I think it is a safe conclusion that FellowTraveler is posting from within the United States. Whether or not he is of European origin really isn't a useful line of argument to pursue, as we're not about to send private dicks out to answer the question. My advice to you is to simply run with the ridiculous stereotype he presents, and hold him to account for that.
And think of it this way: If he keeps up this sort of trolling, then his time here is limited. There's no particular reason for anyone else to go down with that sinking ship. So hop in your dinghies and row like hell. And if it makes you feel better to point and laugh at the sad captain stomping blindly around his listing foredeck, go ahead and do so. On your own time. We have better things to do, more entertaining and enlightening discussions to have, than disowning an American simply for being an embarrassment to his nation.
I mean, come on. Americans? Anyone? Anyone? Embarrassing ourselves and our nation is a sacred right in this country.
Satanic, demon-possessed lunatics.
Women don't exactly help the matter, either.Which leads me to my conclusion that the most destructive thing on the planet is not nuclear or biological but rather...Men and their beliefs.
Women don't exactly help the matter, either.
Welcome rational commentary Fraggle. Restores my faith in Sci. :m:I'm the Linguistics Moderator and I do not define all fundamentalists as fanatics or lunatics. Even though I don't understand how you could have gotten that impression from my post, I apologize for any misunderstanding. A fundamentalist is one who regards the legends in his holy book as factual history, rather than metaphors. Please excuse what you will probably regard as the implicit insult in that definition, but SciForums is, after all, a place of science and religious fundamentalism is not held in high regard here.Indeed that is a problem in coordinating the antiterrorist campaign with the local people in Muslim nations such as Pakistan. The citizens simply do not believe that a Muslim would kill innocent Muslims, so they assume that it must be a wicked plot by the Americans.Fanaticism does not automatically imply violence. One can be a fanatic about many things, such as his favorite videogame, without having any desire to kill people.No, it is not news to me. I understand that the vast majority of Muslims try their best to be honorable people and that their religion does not condone killing innocent people, Muslim or not. Most educated Westerners probably understand that.Revenge is the most evil of all human emotions and we must surmount it in order for civilization to prosper. The problem with killing in retaliation for killing is that you nearly always end up killing the wrong people, innocent people. So then those deaths must be avenged, and you end up with a war. A culture that condones killing for revenge is sick and needs healing.A scholarly (as oppposed to "official') definition of terrorism is quite straightforward: Violence of military or paramilitary scope, deliberately targeting civilians or civilian infrastructure, in a desperate (and nearly always futile) attempt to force them to adopt a policy so unpopular among them that there is no other way to get them to adopt it. In other words, terrorism is extortion.I agree and have said so many times here on SciForums and elsewhere. It is terrorism for Hamas to fire missiles at random locations in Israel where they will almost certainly not hit a valid military target. But it is also terrorism for Israel to send troops into Palestine to destroy civilian housing and kill scores of civilians, while taking only a small number of military targets. "Collateral damage" must be minimized, or else what might be legitimate warfare is nothing more than terrorism.
The YOU I used was not necessarily you. It was a general reference, because as far as I see in newsnetworks like Cnn and Fox, when they say islamic fundamentalist, they almost always mean a fanatic/lunatic person.I'm the Linguistics Moderator and I do not define all fundamentalists as fanatics or lunatics. Even though I don't understand how you could have gotten that impression from my post, I apologize for any misunderstanding.
A fundamentalist is one who regards the legends in his holy book as factual history, rather than metaphors. Please excuse what you will probably regard as the implicit insult in that definition, but SciForums is, after all, a place of science and religious fundamentalism is not held in high regard here.
Maybe there is also a problem in people's mentality in this part of the world as well. How can you still believe, after so much evidence and history, that America and its allies are unable of doin evil plots?Do you think they real care about innocent lives in muslim countries!!! I trust Taliban's humanity more than that of the American troops.Indeed that is a problem in coordinating the antiterrorist campaign with the local people in Muslim nations such as Pakistan. The citizens simply do not believe that a Muslim would kill innocent Muslims, so they assume that it must be a wicked plot by the Americans.
So, why did the U.S. attack Afghanistan. Wan't it for revenge? Your words are good for an ideal world, They do not work in our world. Your ideal world can not be reached by human rules. Countries make rules that benefit them even if it harms others, international laws are put there by superpowers without asking the opinion of the weak ones and, despite this, the big powers are the first ones who readily breach them when necessary. Human made laws and rules are not enough to reach your aspired ideal world... And to tell the oppressed that revenge is the most evil thing is simlply wrong.Revenge is the most evil of all human emotions and we must surmount it in order for civilization to prosper.
Has that been ever proved, or it's yet another claim like Saddam's WMDs. By the way, as I argued earlier, Hamas is commits much less acts of terror! in magnitude and frequency than the Israel and the U.S.I don't think it's controversial to say that Iran supplies weaponry and other support to Hamas.
But your politicians have been calling Iran an evil state who rejects women their rights. You keep calling muslims backwards goat f**ers who discriminate against women, you attacked Iraq for no apparent reason, you thwarted the democratically elected government in Iran 50 years before there was any "terrorist muslim" attack, you killed Saudi Arabian King Faisal through your CIA agent, you keep supporting dictators whenever it benefits you, you keep trying to convince muslims their religion is evil, etc.. You keep sticking your nose in our damn business, what do you expect in return? Also when you attack my religion, it's like you slendered my most sacred, how come it is not my damn business! explain please. Why can't you simply just shut up and instead try to respect my sacred, even if you thing they are wrong, if you want respect in return.What we do in our own country is not your damn business so your complaint will not ever be respected.
So you want to be like Saudi Arabia? What about all your boasting about democracy and freedom of belief, blah blah. If that's your choice, good luck with that for you.Considering that Saudi Arabia does not even allow Christians to have churches, Muslims are in no position to complain about the way they are treated on our side.
But I can explain why we don't tolerate veils. In the West only criminals wear masks. We expect people to meet us face to face. ... Furthermore, there is the practical issue that a man could easily be hiding under one of those ninja costumes, carrying a bomb.
If they are everywhere then they are not fighting blindly.
CNN and Fox News are "The News For People Who Can't Read." They are all idiots. I hope foreigners don't watch those channels and think that they represent America. Those are tiny networks that are only available on cable TV, and their audience size is measured in six figures instead of seven or eight like the big networks. They have small staffs who get to say whatever they want.The YOU I used was not necessarily you. It was a general reference, because as far as I see in newsnetworks like Cnn and Fox, when they say islamic fundamentalist, they almost always mean a fanatic/lunatic person.
In the U.S. when "fundamentalism" is applied to a religion, it means a literal interpretation of the scriptures. I.e., that a supernatural universe full of gods and angels and demons truly exists, and that those gods and angels and demons capriciously interfere with the behavior of the natural universe. It is a direct contradiction of science, whose founding premise is that the natural universe is a closed system whose behavior can be predicted by theories derived logically from empirical observation of its past and present behavior. Science is supported by five hundred years of exhaustive testing, whereas religion is supported only by ancient legends, handed down from the days when people had such a poor understanding of the universe that gods and angels and demons seemed plausible.fundamentalism: strict adherence to any set of basic ideas or principles
In America the word "fundamentalist" is used exclusively in the context of religion. This arose in the late 1970s when the Religious Redneck Retard Revival brought back the Christianity we thought we had finally rid ourselves of in the 1960s.so if you strictly adhere to the basic idea that all religions are evil, you, too, are a fundamentalist.
So long as it is not religious fundamentalism, the way we use the word here, I suppose that may be true.Contrary to the common understanding, it can make you a better person.
What makes you think we believe that? Apparently you don't understand Americans any better than we understand you. Every time something stupid or evil is done, a lot of people say it must be the government's fault. There are still quite a number of Americans who believe that our government was behind 9/11. I personally am satisifed that it was not, because I live so close to the Pentagon that I was overwhelmed with reports of investigations and testimony for years. But even I believe that it could have been. After all, President Bush lied to us and told us that it was Saddam Hussein's fault, when in fact most of the blame falls on the Saudis. He just didn't want us to be angry at the Saudis because they are his friends in the oil industry. He is a traitor who put his own business interests ahead of patriotism.Maybe there is also a problem in people's mentality in this part of the world as well. How can you still believe, after so much evidence and history, that America and its allies are unable of doing evil plots?
Even the Pakistani government admits to its people when it was Pakistani Muslims who killed their friends and families, and they don't believe them.Do you think they real care about innocent lives in muslim countries!!! I trust Taliban's humanity more than that of the American troops.
The rationale is that they were providing a safe haven for Bin Laden. They were, but trying to capture one guy in a poorly governed country is impossible. Subterfuge was also a big part of it, since Bush wanted to distract our attention from all the evidence that implicated his friends, the Saudis, in 9/11. But yes, revenge was a big part of it. In my previous diatribe I did not mean to imply that Americans don't also feel the emotion of revenge. We're just supposed to have a more rational govenment that doesn't encourage us to act on it. Bush was the worst president we've had in my lifetime (1943) and the damage he did to our country and our world may take many decades to repair.So, why did the U.S. attack Afghanistan. Wan't it for revenge?
Nonsense. You have so much faith in your imaginary god but you have none in your real brothers and sisters. Such an insult to them, when it is they who are doing all the work. Civilization has been an eleven-thousand year project to transcend our primitive instincts and build a world that becomes slowly closer to ideal.Your words are good for an ideal world, They do not work in our world. Your ideal world can not be reached by human rules.
Revenge is the most evil human emotion. It always punishes the wrong people and begins a cycle of deadly retribution that works against civilization. It doesn't matter whether you're strong or weak. If you let your instinct for revenge control you, you have gone over to the side of evil and you become a problem that must be solved.And to tell the oppressed that revenge is the most evil thing is simlply wrong.
I don't know about the comparison to the U.S., but Hamas has certainly caused less damage to Israel than Israel has caused to Palestine. As I said before, the leaders of both countries should be put in prison.By the way, as I argued earlier, Hamas is commits much less acts of terror! in magnitude and frequency than the Israel and the U.S.
We get to say anything we want inside our own countries, just as you do. It's called "free speech" and it is a cornerstone of modern civilization.Why can't you simply just shut up and instead try to respect my sacred, even if you thing they are wrong, if you want respect in return.
No we don't. But I think it's disingenuous of Muslims to complain about not being able to walk down the streets of America dressed like bandits, when in Saudi Arabia Christians are not even allowed to have churches, which is a much more important issue. We let you guys build mosques, there's one not far from my house. We just don't trust people who won't look us in the eye. You should understand that. One of the problems our troops have in the Middle East is that they're not adapted to the bright sunlight so they have to wear sunglasses to keep from damaging their eyes. They have to take their sunglasses off before the local people will respect them. Well your women have to take their stupid bandit masks off if they want our respect. In America you can only wear a mask to a Halloween party, while you're skiing, or to rob a bank.So you want to be like Saudi Arabia? What about all your boasting about democracy and freedom of belief, blah blah. If that's your choice, good luck with that for you.
But I think it's disingenuous of Muslims to complain about not being able to walk down the streets of America dressed like bandits, when in Saudi Arabia Christians are not even allowed to have churches, which is a much more important issue.
... So who becomes a terrorist? Someone who is against dictators, apparently and is stripped of the option to wait until the next election to change his government.
Conclusion
Terrorists want to better their own circumstances just as much as they want to improve the world.
No, you didn't read it right. I chose those words and typed them because I'm a writer and editor by trade, but they're only my attempt at an accurate, concise summary of someone else's words. They're certainly not my own conclusions and the underlying research was not performed by me.And that's why they blow themselves up and kids without concern. My God, did I read that right, that you're a moderator?
InfoWars is a fucking blog! I don't waste my time on cable news because it doesn't undergo enough editorial reivew. I'm certainly not going to waste my time reading blogs, which undergo ZERO editorial review! Whether they're leftists or rightists, atheists or born-again Southern Baptists, conspiracy theorists or lovers of Big Government, those people can say whatever they want. There's always a gullible crowd out there who believe everything they say, because they agree with their point of view and don't read critically.And "Many of the prominent ones certainly are, such as the Christmas Underwear Bomber"... Dude, that was a set up lol. How could you not tell that by how easily he got through security lol? It was allll jusssst coincidences. COME ON MAN CONNECT THE DOTS! Didn't you bother reading about what happened before he got on the plane either???? Look: http://www.infowars.com/exclusive-fbi-silent-on-plane-bombers-accomplice/ (and read of course).
So, SAM, in that statement, are you actually justifying terrorism? Blowing up women and children in marketplaces is going to "change his government"?
If an American isn't happy with his government ...say he doesn't like or want the new healthcare bill to pass.... is it okay to blow up some women and kids in, say, Mumbai, India?
Baron Max
Americans tend to focus on economic prosperity as the key measure of freedom, rather than religious practices, language or other cultural issues, which I suppose is why our criticism of China is so muted these days. After all we don't want to box ourselves into a position that would make us feel guilty about the disappearance of American Indian ethnicity.What people should do if they get tired of puppet dictators funded by foreign governments is immigrate to the country where that foreign government is from. Like the Mayflower thingy. Flee persecution by immgration.
As I said, most Americans do not take kindly to extreme religious differences in an immigrant community, because empirical evidence over the years indicates that this is a major chunk of gristle that doesn't quickly dissipate in the Melting Pot, like language and style of dress.In the US, they can form Wahabi or Salafi communities like the Haredim and Amish and Mormons and do their thingy in peace
Fight.So what is the solution?