What qualifies as science?

Nahor87 said:
No information in atoms that we're able to read. It is possible to store information inside single atoms.
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Reference please

Same goes for the rest of the post

I'd put in Monty Python Dead Parrot sketch but I think its been done to death

:)
 
Atoms do not store more information than they need to be an atom.

However, everything in the universe is subject to wave lengths., be they supersonic or subsonic.
The wave function is pervasive throughout the universe and all things respond to wavelengths.

Why is it problematic to assert that thoughts are also influenced by certain wavelengths?
 
Michael 345 said:
Reference please

Same goes for the rest of the post

I'd put in Monty Python Dead Parrot sketch but I think its been done to death

:)
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https://techcrunch.com/2017/03/08/storing-data-in-a-single-atom-proved-possible-by-ibm-researchers/

Ok, we'll maybe earths been hit by a few space rocks. We grow from what we consume, mentally and physically.

"ALL PROOF indicates that consciousness dies with the body"
There is no proof, zilch zero none.

But here is some research..
https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/212...ans-have-souls-which-can-live-on-after-death/

The mind is a mystery, scientists don't always get paid to come up with the RIGHT answer.
You only have to look back within 100 years how wonderful cocaine and tobacco was for your body and nowadays, we all know better. Not really. Some of the things that get the scientific nod these days are horrendous. No1 - sugar. No2 - the medications that are prescribed to the kids with the disease cause by the sugar. The problem of course gets diluted by putting crack on the streets.

Does anyone here watch the ted talks? The mind is beyond science. smart phones, Alcohol, sugar and caffeine are the main disrupters of mind. Sugar is number one. Kids should be taught how to meditate and drink nothing but water.

There is no profit in fixing our selves
 
geek said:
The notion: the more we know, the more we dont know, and continuing pushing our limits-with all phases of time ie, the history, the present, and the future, to unveil the vast unknown... is the only Qualification in science.

Any thin else, the notions like - we do know a lot of things, stumbles in the category of religion, not science, i guess.

The only constant in Science is : Change.
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"The more we know, the more we don't know" :)
 
origin said:
This is the science section so you need to support your claims, you cannot just make things up in the science section.
Support your claim or retract it.


Support your claim or retract it.


All proof indicates that consciousness dies with the body. There is no evidence at all that a soul exists.

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Top 10 monty python sketch hahaha
 
Nahor87 wrote:
Nahor87 said:
Alive or living depends on the information written inside an atom?
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When called on this silly claim as expected he responded with:
https://techcrunch.com/2017/03/08/storing-data-in-a-single-atom-proved-possible-by-ibm-researchers/
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Yes a single atom can be coaxed into acting like a transistor. That is clearly not the same as your claim.

But here is some research..
https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/2123380/researchers-claim-that-humans-have-souls-which-can-live-on-after-death/
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That is not research and that is not proof or even evidence. It is a feel good fluff article.
 
sideshowbob said:
You might as well say that every grain of sand has the potential for the Empire State Building. Meaningless.
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The entire universe may have be made from a single atom. Let me guess, insignificant? There is nothing insignificant about our thoughts. Knowledge is limited, imagination is forever. Writing on this forum is a miracle.
 
It's only 2017 kids, we've barely just created the lightbulb in a time stance. Look at what we've done in the last 100 years, were speeding up, 2100 is going to be inconceivable let alone 2500.
 
Nahor87 said:
The brain, one of the things we know least about apparently writes its own software. There is absolutely no proof nor probability that the mind/conscious/soul dies with the body or lives when the body dies. Interestingly enough, many studies have been done on people who have died then came back to life claiming they were floating above their body. Some cases went extreme enough, they could recall the movements of the doctors and what they were saying. Conversely, studies also show co2 toxicity in the patients which could explain the hallucinations in SOME of the cases.
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p.s. Nitrogen Narcosis does the same thing. A common problem in SCUBA divers.
That is because our brains hallucinate all the time.
Anil Seth (linked earlier) explains this very persuasively. Our brains make "best guesses", which means there is no independent "soul" which has the experience, it is the brain of each individual which does the experiencing. Each "mind/soul" is a construct of the individual's brain.
Michael said,
Summary
No information in atoms
Brain writes its own software
Dead is dead = no longer working
No longer working = dead
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No longer working = dead = no mind/soul, no awareness.

As Seth concludes his presentation. "When consciousness stops, there is nothing to be afraid of".
There is no "after-life" to fear or look forward to.

Nahor87 said:
I agree though, that the mind is like software. I've been studying the leaps in my baby daughters brain. Each leap is like a software update where the baby all of a sudden has new comprehension
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A perfect example (which I also had the good fortune to watch) of the brain "discovering" the functions of our bodies. In this case the software of intentional mind-hand control. A controlled hallucination.
 
Write4U said:
p.s. Nitrogen Narcosis does the same thing. A common problem in SCUBA divers.
That is because our brains hallucinate all the time.
Anil Seth (linked earlier) explains this very persuasively. Our brains make "best guesses", which means there is no independent "soul" which has the experience, it is the brain of each individual which does the experiencing. Each "mind/soul" is a construct of the individual's brain.


No longer working = dead = no mind/soul, no awareness.

As Seth concludes his presentation. "When consciousness stops, there is nothing to be afraid of".
There is no "after-life" to fear or look forward to.

A perfect example (which I also had the good fortune to watch) of the brain "discovering" the functions of our bodies. In this case the software of intentional mind-hand control. A controlled hallucination.
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Hahaha yes I just watched a movie last night with examples of nitrogen narcosis, scary stuff, better to die laughing I guess. I've heard about how we see time slightly after it happens, when time appears to slow down when we are injected with adrenalin, our perceptions are just moving closer to real time?
Thanks all for your opinions and your time to write them. I'm still not totally convinced that dead is dust because of my own personal experiences but have definitely become more pessimistic on the subject. I'm more here to learn than to try push a point I know little about.
 
Nahor87 said:
Hahaha yes I just watched a movie last night with examples of nitrogen narcosis, scary stuff, better to die laughing I guess. I've heard about how we see time slightly after it happens, when time appears to slow down when we are injected with adrenalin, our perceptions are just moving closer to real time?
Thanks all for your opinions and your time to write them. I'm still not totally convinced that dead is dust because of my own personal experiences but have definitely become more pessimistic on the subject. I'm more here to learn than to try push a point I know little about.
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It is difficult to separate physical science with psychology of mind. Physics work in strict accordance with the mathematics of inherent potentials, whereas the mind can hallucinate (imagine) things at a much broader limit.
A little example: a rock sheds atoms, but this happens unnoticed and the life of a rock can only be described by the term half-life.
But if you take LSD, the brain might experience the rock as a fluid dripping object, changing color and shape as you watch it. An uncontrolled hallucination.

And this amazing flexibility of the mind also can create Tulpas (as I mentioned earlier).
Tulpa,
Tulpa also translated as "magical emanation", "conjured thing" and "phantom" is a concept in mysticism of a being or object which is created through sheer spiritual or mental discipline alone. It is defined in Indian Buddhist texts as any unreal, illusory or mind created apparition.
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Many religions employ Tulpas to remind people of a specific person, who's deeds were noteworthy and their moral legacy is adopted by the mind as a living spirit, but in reality it is just an imaginary mindset.

Expressions such as "God will watch over me" or "he is possessed by the Devil" are examples of such Tulpas.
But there is no physical evidence, other than mental imagination (hallucination), that such beings exist independent of mental imagination.
 
Write4U said:
Atoms do not store more information than they need to be an atom.

However, everything in the universe is subject to wave lengths., be they supersonic or subsonic.
The wave function is pervasive throughout the universe and all things respond to wavelengths.

Why is it problematic to assert that thoughts are also influenced by certain wavelengths?
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This is balderdash. Once again you abuse the term function. You still have zero idea what you are talking about. That guy Shapiro seems to have messed with your mind. What wave function is pervasive, please? Actually, don't answer, I don't think I can bothered any more.
 
exchemist said:
This is balderdash. Once again you abuse the term function. You still have zero idea what you are talking about. That guy Shapiro seems to have messed with your mind. What wave function is pervasive, please? Actually, don't answer, I don't think I can bothered any more.
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Bohm's Pilot Wave,
Pilot Wave
Its more modern version, the de Broglie–Bohm theory, remains a non-mainstream attempt to interpret quantum mechanics as a deterministic theory, avoiding troublesome notions such as wave–particle duality, instantaneous wave function collapse and the paradox of Schrödinger's cat but introducing nonlocality.
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The de Broglie–Bohm pilot wave theory is one of several equally valid interpretations of (non-relativistic) quantum mechanics. An extension to the relativistic case has been developed since the 1990s
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The pilot wave theory is a hidden variable theory.
Consequently;
. the theory has realism (meaning that its concepts exist independently of the observer);
. the theory has determinism.
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A collection of particles has an associated matter wave, which evolves according to the Schrödinger equation. Each particle follows a deterministic trajectory, which is guided by the wave function; collectively, the density of the particles conforms to the magnitude of the wave function. The wave function is not influenced by the particle and can exist also as an empty wave function.
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The theory brings to light nonlocality that is implicit in the non-relativistic formulation of quantum mechanics and uses it to satisfy Bell's theorem. These nonlocal effects can be shown to be compatible with the no-communication theorem, which prevents use of them for faster-than-light communication, and so is empirically compatible with relativity
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilot_wave#Principles
 
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Write4U said:
Why is it problematic to assert that thoughts are also influenced by certain wavelengths?
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(Just a quick comment: wavelengths are mathematical representations of a physical property. Maths don't influence thoughts in any physical way. I think you mean just "waves" or "wave functions"?)
 
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