I am of the impression I typed that as a third example of the risk of enslavement to a defunct philosophy - along with gold as real money, and Social Darwinism.
What qualifies as science?
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My apologies if I misrepresented your post and your views
I shall speak severely to my 3 neurone brain and send it to sleep with out supper
Again apologies
Science has investigated all sorts of bunkum Woo Woo and Cowpat
All they found was more bunkum Woo Woo and Cowpat
Then the science community has not done its due diligence.
What part of "Science has investigated all sorts of bunkum Woo Woo and Cowpat" did you miss? How is that not "due diligence"?
I'm guessing here that it is EXPECTED that within the bunkum Woo Woo and Cowpat SOMETHING exist
But because Science has failed to find it Science has failed in its due diligence
It would be helpful if the believers in any of the bunkum Woo Woo and Cowpat would give a helping hand (information) about EXACTLY what is being looked for
Aliens? Look for a physical body???
UFO? Look for what????
Strange noises? Look for something that makes a noise???
Ghost? Look for something which looks like a ghost???
Oh well back to the drawing board us disbelievers
This time we must do our due diligence and design a recording device which can pick out and determine WHAT is causing all this bunkum Woo Woo and Cowpat or we will never hear the end of it
(Let the record show that this Scientist suspects even IF we
debunk
un Woo Woo and
find the Cowpat producer is a cow
our work will not be done and
further diligence will be due from us)
I'm guessing here that it is EXPECTED that within the bunkum Woo Woo and Cowpat SOMETHING exist
But because Science has failed to find it Science has failed in its due diligence
It would be helpful if the believers in any of the bunkum Woo Woo and Cowpat would give a helping hand (information) about EXACTLY what is being looked for
Aliens? Look for a physical body???
UFO? Look for what????
Strange noises? Look for something that makes a noise???
Ghost? Look for something which looks like a ghost???
Oh well back to the drawing board us disbelievers
This time we must do our due diligence and design a recording device which can pick out and determine WHAT is causing all this bunkum Woo Woo and Cowpat or we will never hear the end of it
(Let the record show that this Scientist suspects even IF we
debunk
un Woo Woo and
find the Cowpat producer is a cow
our work will not be done and
further diligence will be due from us)
The only way to get beyond , cowpat , is to investigate this so called nonsense with serious science investigations .
Otherwise it will hound you deniers , always !!!!
investigate this so called nonsense with serious science investigations
Has been done
If you think it hasn't been
find an agreeable Scientist wanting to win
a Nobel Prize and provide him/her with
the observations which require conformation
and the equipment to use
Otherwise it will hound you deniers , always
I have found whenever I ignore
Cowpat or
Woo Woo or
bunkum it does not hound me
It either ignores me or
fades away
Since I am not paying attention I am not sure which occurs the most
investigate this so called nonsense with serious science investigations
Has been done
If you think it hasn't been
find an agreeable Scientist wanting to win
a Nobel Prize and provide him/her with
the observations which require conformation
and the equipment to use
Otherwise it will hound you deniers , always
I have found whenever I ignore
Cowpat or
Woo Woo or
bunkum it does not hound me
It either ignores me or
fades away
Since I am not paying attention I am not sure which occurs the most
Serious investigation has not been done .
Then find an agreeable Scientist wanting to win
a Nobel Prize and provide him/her with
the observations which require conformation
and the equipment to use
Otherwise it will hound you deniers , always !!!!
Then find an agreeable Scientist wanting to win
a Nobel Prize and provide him/her with
the observations which require conformation
and the equipment to use
I'm not looking for an agreeable scientist , what we should all want is an objective scientist(s) to investigate the unexplained , throughly .
I think most people are happy that the Scientist who have investigated BunkWooCowpatisms have been objective as everyone expects them to be
And if your not looking for an agreeable Scientist
Then find an objective Scientist wanting to win
a Nobel Prize and provide him/her with
the observations which require conformation
and the equipment to use
I think most people are happy that the Scientist who have investigated BunkWooCowpatisms have been objective as everyone expects them to be
And if your not looking for an agreeable Scientist
Then find an objective Scientist wanting to win
a Nobel Prize and provide him/her with
the observations which require conformation
and the equipment to use
Its better to find scientists that are after the truth not a noble prize .
Then find an objective Scientist who are after the truth (and INSERT ANY NEW REQUIREMENT(S) YOU THINK OF) and provide him/her with
the observations which require conformation
and the equipment to use
exchemist
Valued Senior Member
Michael. This. Is. River.Then find an objective Scientist who are after the truth (and INSERT ANY NEW REQUIREMENT(S) YOU THINK OF) and provide him/her with
the observations which require conformation
and the equipment to use
You will get nowhere.
The Ignore function is your friend.
Michael. This. Is. River.
You will get nowhere.
The Ignore function is your friend.
ThanksI was on the verge
I have certainly exceeded my 3 PINGS but my curiosity wanted to find out how high the irrational content would go
Thanks again
Will stay on the roundabout horse a few more turns
The problem is that the reverse-deniers have already decided what "the truth" is. You won't accept any amount of investigation that doesn't turn up the answer that you want.
Yazata
Valued Senior Member
The spiritual stuff would seem on its face to violate science's methodological naturalism. So we would need to invent a new non-natural science to addresss them, in contrast to natural science. Unlike some on this board, I don't think that's necessarily impossible.
If we try to invent a spiritual science, what kind of phenomena would it address? What is a spiritual phenomenon? How would a spiritual phenomenon be distinguished from one that isn't spiritual? A closely related question addresses how we become aware of spiritual phenomena and what kind of information can we obtain about them? Do sources of information exist apart from and in addition to our conventional senses and their objects? How would this spiritual science establish objectivity? (Or would it even try? But if it's entirely subjective, why call it 'science'?)
We already have one obvious example of what might be called a non-physical science: mathematics. But as different as mathematics is from physical science, mathematics has a unique methodology all its own in its very rigorous logical proofs, that produce results that mathematicians everywhere on Earth can agree on. So what kind of methodology would proponents of parapsychology and creation science propose to address their peculiar subjects? That's a task that they don't seem to have ever really addressed.
Then the spiritual science would need some explanatory hypotheses. It isn't enough to name a hypothetical 'PSI phenomenon' (let's say), in order for parapsychology to be a productive science, it would need to take a shot at explaining what is observed. About the best that I've seen is a crude classification of 'PSI phenomena', and if things move around mysteriously, people saying 'Oh, that's telekenesis' or 'Oh, that's poltergeists', as if naming it somehow explains it.
The spiritual sciences need to be able to generate hypotheses that are open to further investigation. In conventional science, scientists investigate this, which raises questions about that, and investigations kind of snow-ball. Investigating what's inside animals' bodies leads to anatomy and physiology, which lead to histology, biochemistry, cell and developmental biology... questions upon questions. The new spiritual sciences need to be able to generate productive research programs that enable deeper and deeper investigations into their chosen subjects. And that returns us to the subject of explanation, since as science progresses deeper and deeper into its rabbit holes, explanations proliferate as surface phenomena are reduced to whatever lies deeper. So previously inexplicable organ function in animal bodies can now be explained by the new information from biochemistry, histology and physiology.
The new sciences need to be capable of surprising us, revealing entirely new and unsuspected kinds of phenomena.
And they need to display what philosophers call consilience, where entirely different lines of inquiry, using different methods and presuppositions, arrive at essentially the same results. In natural science we see that when paleontologists hypothesize an evolutionary history for an organism based on fossil evidence, and when the molecular geneticists independently produce the same history based on genomic evidence.
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Yazata
Valued Senior Member
I don't believe that natural science pays a whole lot of attention to what lies outside the scope of its methods and concepts. Given its methodological naturalism, I don't know how it could.
Wouldn't that be circular reasoning? Start out with the assumption that everything that doesn't conform to a chosen worldview is bullshit, then conclude that everything that doesn't conform to that worldview is bullshit.
Well here's the thing
As Charlie Sheen noted in a episode of Two and a half Men
There's always a thing
What I have noticed,
not only in regards to spiritual phenomenon,
you can take out the word spiritual and
replace it with whatever buzz word is
current in Cowpat Country, is that the
phenomenon is not repeatable
Ghostbusters are called to a haunted house
where a apparition has been seen every night
floating though the corridors for hundreds of years
As soon as the Ghostbusters set up their
equipment and armed with endless cups of
coffee the apparition takes a holiday
After 2 weeks Ghostbusters move on
Mrs Floating Apparition comes back
Good luck with designing equipment and testing protocol for such senerios
No
The thing is (
look another thing) is any investigator worth his or her salt will want to discover something new and will NOT start with any preconceived notionsIf there could be said to be ANY assumption it would tend to be in favour of finding something
Mrs Floating Apparition might exist and it was just bad luck she went on holiday when I set up my ghost detection equipment