He may display a curious blindness to the Sun's chosen goals in life because he is busily attempting to live out his own cherished desires through the Sun instead. This can be particulary damaging if the Saturnian person is a parent and the Sun a child; for in such cases the child is rarely permitted to be himself, or to develop along the lines of his own potential blueprint.
When a man's Saturn and a woman's Sun are involved, the man will unconsciously stifle the creative expression of his partner because he is afraid of what she could become if she were to express it; therefore, he must "keep her barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen" so that there is no possibility of her excelling him. The fact that she may not want to excel him does not occur to him.
These kinds of situations are never very pretty to look at. They occur with frightening regularity, however, and the only possible way out of them which preserves the dignity and self-respect of both people is to bring the whole arangement out of the darkness. It is then possible for both persons to develop in themselves what each wishes to express so that both may appreciate their partners while maintaining their own inner centres. The relationship of the Sun to Saturn may be compared to a parent-child relationship on the psychological level, and if we are to seriously consider it as a karmic contact, it may well imply that this kind of relationship once existed in literal fact. The Sun, the eternal child who is full of light, new growth, and joy, is a means of conferring immortality to his parent because through him the parent lives anew. Saturn, the voice of experience and authority, can protect and guide his creation; one therefore provides the structure and the other the meaning. Yet if Saturn does not have sufficient purpose in his own life, or his life has been a story of frustration, he will seek to live vicariously through his child and may forget that the Sun has a right to his own individual expression.
that is fuked up. the stepfather was saturn and i was sun and that is how it was because he did not care about conscience or being conscientious. he didn't just do this accidentally; it was conscious and willful. that was his whole agenda was to make sure that i would be fuked up in every way he could because of whatever potential he saw in me that he was jealous of.
totally fuked up situation where one has all the power and you have none. hell on earth.
i broke this disgusting and heinous cycle of oppression and inner death because that is literally what the saturn can do to the sun. it's murder and death of a life that can't be atoned for since it is not happening on a physical level but it will be manifest on the physical as what is inner is reflected in the outer world and manifestation.
i do not have that synastry with my child. i have a venus trine saturn which is beautiful and balanced camaraderie as well as his sun conjunct my jupiter and jupiter is the beneficent and giving toward the sun and letting the sun shine and develop to the best they can be.
i only had the trine with the stepfather but that's all he needed was a foot in the door. he was that type of person. with a relatively normal or healthy person, it wouldn't have been so exploitive. he used that aspect like a square or opposition and there are those who have squares or opposition sun/saturn with you who wouldn't do what he did. it will just be different/diverging paths and you agree to live and let live or go your separate ways.
i had a sun/saturn trine with someone and he as well as i sure as hell wouldn't oppress and exploit someone, especially throwing out conscience to do so. this is a man who didn't want anyone to do better than him or have more education than him or make more money or be successful or in anything at all. he was a horrible human being who would pull down and oppress anyone that he could and bury them under.
you have to consider who is using these energies and aspects. two people can have the same synastry as well as same natal chart but they may not utilize it the same way. it's not just the aspects alone but how evolved or ethical a person you are dealing with will determine how they express and how they will treat you synastry-wise. the problematic aspects still exist but there is always a right/ethical way to deal with it versus a lower/unethical/unevolved.
Mars, if badly afflicted can indicate violence surrounding the issues of whatever house it's in, (or those issues of the house the planets on the other side of the aspect are in.)
A badly aspected 8th house can mean... that which is valueable to other people may be obtained at the detriment of the 8th house person.....See the connection?
These people possess personal magnetism in spades. They live and breathe romantic/sexual relationships.
Jupiter Conjunct Ascendant
The Jupiter person encourages the Ascendant persons efforts at personal and spiritual self improvement and helps that individual develop a more positive self image and more socially constructive means of personal self-expression. The Ascendant person will give energy and active support to the Jupiter persons efforts to aid the community. You will be natural friends and enjoy each others company
Both of you have Venus conjunct or in hard aspect to Neptune:
Both of you have very idealized, romanticized images of love, and love-yearnings which no ordinary mortal can fully satisfy.
Both of you are attracted to people who have an angelic, unearthly quality, people who are highly artistic, very sensitive, or who are spiritually inclined.
It is often a manifestation of the Venus-Neptune individual to fall in love with their own image. However, beyond a narcissistic preoccupation with their own likeness, possessors of Venus-Neptune contacts can idealize the image of another as much as their own. Thus the veiling imagination of Neptune enters into the realm of amorous love, symbolized by Venus. Arguably more than other combinations, the Venus-Neptune individual is more prone to fall in love with the smoke and mirrors of image rather than the substance of the heart and soul. When the tides of “falling” in love recede, the individual with Neptune and Venus in the birth chart is faced with the confusing and disorienting situation whereby the reality of the individual and the idealized version they once held become two—the dream and the actuality of the situation are rendered separate. Love is often slippery stuff for the Neptune-Venus individual.
You may long for someone who is unattainable to you, in part to avoid having a concrete relationship with anyone! Both of you tend to have phantom loves – people you dream about but never actualize a relationship with.
At best, the two of you could share your great love of beauty and your devotion to the Beauty or Divinity inside each person. A common spiritual path may well be the “glue” – or at least an important part of it – in this relationship.
"Libra:
- is Cardinal Air. Libra rules beauty, art, charm, and the “social graces”. Gemini is raw information. With Libra, this is taken one step further. Libra is Partnership. We don’t just have people bumping into each other and exchanging information like two ships in the night. There is a sense of commitment here, something that Gemini usually tries to avoid (remember that we are speaking about the influence of the sign of Gemini by itself, in isolation from other factors; this does NOT mean that everyone with a Gemini sun-sign avoids commitment).
While Gemini tends to witty, interesting information, Libra gravitates towards beautiful communication. The late Helen Hayes used to tell the story about how she first met her husband, Charles McArthur. It was at a party and he fell in love with her at first sight. He spent the whole evening talking to her. At one point, they were sitting on a couch and she asked him to please pass the bowl of peanuts. As he handed them to her, he said, “I wish these were emeralds!” She finished the story by saying “I had to marry him after that; I just had to”.
Libra is also the sign of Fairness and Justice. Its placement in your horoscope (along with the placement of its ruling planet, Venus) shows the place in your life where these qualities are most visible and most important to you. The house with Libra on the cusp (beginning) is also the place where the need for beauty is most noticeable."
"If the world often seems unfair to people who believe in fate, this is because fatalists can come to believe they cannot change or improve. But if there is fate, it is fated that we make our own lives."
- monkey magic narrator
Lastly, I was told that the natal Venus conjunct Neptune aspect causes a lot of pain for the native. They have painful relationships because they generally function in love from a spiritual perspective. They tend to look for the love of their life that is their soulmate who is almost always a homosexual or happily married with five kids. They are easy to fall in love with the wrong person who has taken them to hell and back again!
These natives are beautiful, empathetic, compassionate, and very optimistic. But watch out they can and will be taken advantage of. Not all, but most. People often take their kindness for weakness. These native fall in love easily and look at the world through rose-colored glasses.
Your Venus in your partner’s 8th house:
The 8th house represents sex, intimacy, sharing, joint resources, and transformation. This relationship is magnetic, intense, and regenerative.
You: Your sexual and emotional feelings are heightened by your partner. Your partner is deeply in love with you! You are likely to see your partner as mysterious, magnetic, and fascinating. You have a greater than average effect on your partner’s emotional well-being. Indeed, you have the ability to bring out emotions from your partner than he/she never knew were there! Your partner may feel especially obsessive and possessive when it comes to you and your relationship. The feelings for one another are deep and intense. The physical attraction for one another is through the roof. The two of you easily uncover each other’s deepest, darkest secrets. In fact, secrets may pop out of your mouth before you even realize it! Sexual intimacy and emotional regeneration through sharing feelings will be the hallmark of your relationship. The sex is likely to be intense, deep, and highly satisfying.
Your partner: Like a moth to a flame, you are strongly drawn to your partner. You find your partner fascinating and highly sexually attractive, as well as alluring and mysterious. You want to uncover your partner’s deepest, darkest secrets. At times, your partner may seem a bit superficial to you, which will annoy you somewhat, due to the fact that you want to look deep into their soul and figure out how they tick. Your partner brings out intense emotional reactions out of you. The sex is deep, transformative, and highly addictive. Your relationship is likely to be complex and very consuming. Your desire to bond, both emotionally and physically, with your partner is very strong, and almost overwhelming.
There is no limit to the depth of closeness the two of you can reach. You will find a shocking ease when it comes to discussing subjects, of a very private nature. In fact, secrets may just come flying out when you are together without reason.
You will both have a deep, meaningful and intimate bond with a strong desire to merge resources, body, and soul.
This placement produces a highly sexual, emotional and a deeply penetrating bond.
The Venus person will have deep insights into the house person and will also accept them flaws and all. The Venus person can seduce the house person with a simple look. The house person is very attracted, protective and possessive of the Venus person. Depending on other aspects, they should both be rather generous with each other.
Sex will be racy, intense and addictive.
Venus in 8th House Synastry: This placement means that the Venus person feels a desire to be intimate with the 8th House person. Not necessarily sexual or even romantic, but that they desire to join with the the other person in some sort of intimacy that is bigger than the two of them by themselves. For example, adolescent female best friendships can often seem like a Venus in 8th House thing because of the level of intimacy and entanglement between two people that their individual egos die and they are reborn into a new unit. If you have ever watched My So-Called Life then you know what I mean. It is not uncommon for a person who is changing to seek out different people to hang out with who reflect this change and the dying of the old self. Hence, in a romantic relationship, the Venus person may be changing, and the 8th house person may be representative of this new phase of life. Since the 8th house also rules rebirth, it is possible that there is karma between the persons involved, and that they may have known each other in a previous life or knew each other well in some other incarnation in this one and have come together because now, they seem to be going the same way which may be a departure from where they both were when they first knew each other.
Venus-Pluto (or, if someone's Venus falls in your 8th House of Intimacy)
If you're looking for deep, intense attraction that leads to a transcendental love experience, then this is the link to share! This connection is all about the power of love, intimacy and deep sexual sharing. Sexual intimacy evolves to the highest possible level under this inter-aspect. We often find ourselves incredibly vulnerable and under the spell of someone who's Venus aspects our Pluto or vice versa.
Moon in 8th House Synastry: Here, the expression of the needs and primal fears of the Moon person are transformed by the relationship with the 8th House person. in a way, this is a Beauty and the Beast aspect, because the 8th House person will both fulfill a need for intimacy and trigger a primal fear in the Moon person. The Moon person is more likely to be the one to nurture and grow the relationship.
The Venus person will have deep insights into the house person and will also accept them flaws and all. The Venus person can seduce the house person with a simple look.
Neptune in seventh house
The perfection/ideal you seek is within yourself.