What do you think of Arabs, Muslims and Islam?
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For lying, being a fraud and an Islamic propagandist, he would be lucky he didn't get his lights punched out.
Or, is he one of your sockpuppets?
Sam said:
It's funny how you think trying to adhere to some kind of polite, neutral language is condescending. My foreign students don't have any problem with me at all.
Then there's the casual dismissal at being caught out. "Well, I can't make anything of this, so I'll just throw out an insult and run away." Off you go then.
No, this is how liars and frauds get treated, Sam. If your god existed, he would see that and send the both of you to Islamic hell.
Can't be bothered really, four years of scratching the surface and looking for any meaningful conversation is long enough to realise that this is all there is.
Sorry, I was just reflecting on politeness and civility when I recalled your post:
Ah. It is, I forget, the height of politeness and civility down Sam's way to insult others as a group if one disagrees with the positions of one or two of them.
Then again, I've a student from India, and she isn't like that at all. :shrug:
Ah. It is, I forget, the height of politeness and civility down Sam's way to insult others as a group if one disagrees with the positions of one or two of them.
Then again, I've a student from India, and she isn't like that at all. :shrug:
Apparently you were bothered a good deal. You like to think of yourself as somehow more polite or more fair than everyone else, but even your internal supposition about this evaporates when you're seriously challenged by anyone else's facts, or even feelings.
But don't worry. I'm sure you'll sleep just fine. After all, you're not a fraud...right?
He's Tunisian, the concept that insulting people's beliefs is a progressive ideology is alien to him. Besides, its true, Michael you and (Q) live in some kind of alternate universe in which all the Muslims from all the countries and from all time are one person. For a Tunisian who lives among many different types of people [he speaks several languages and speaks like a person used to many ideologies], coming into contact with the frogs in the well [kupmanduk, as we say in India] would be an unpleasant experience. He's probably never met such a closed minded intolerant bunch of people where he's from.
I felt sorry for him as I did for sandy and the others. I knew he would not understand why everyone was beating him up over something that was not his fault
I felt sorry for him as I did for sandy and the others. I knew he would not understand why everyone was beating him up over something that was not his fault
It might be alien to him, but not to the entirety of his society. This is what I was pointing out, and supporting with references and news items. It was no attack on him personally, and nor have I intended any. I was merely discussing the issue using what I considered to be a very fair approach and neutral language; apparently I was mistaken. My apologies. (It would, I suppose, have been fairer to cast about the word "racist" and accuse my fellow debaters of aggressive language, if we take shadow himself as a paragon of appropriate argument; or instead, I could group-label him and you, as you do. I will attempt to adopt your much fairer methodology in the future, although I can't promise that I can be so even-handed.)
And I'm sorry that you don't follow what I'm saying either - I don't imagine for a moment that "all the Muslims from all the countries and from all time are one person", which is absurd - and I'm sure that shadow's ability to speak several languages, as I do, makes him innately and implicitly a much better person than those who cannot, although some of the examples I have to date of this hypothesis are not completely convincing.
I would hope that you at least - since your command of English is better - would have understood my arguments, but you don't. For my part, I've never met anyone who would sooner and so happily slide into the gutter than stand forthrightly on the road and take her lumps, as I do.
His opinion was that the Quran cannot teach hatred, and that the oppression of non-Muslims in Islamic nations was a complete impossibility; failing that, that it never occurred in North Africa. Specifically, we discussed church burnings. I demonstrated to him that it was not an impossibility, and that it did indeed occur; in short that he was mistaken.
I don't think I applied any of it to him in particular; are you then saying that he is somehow to blame? I know you favour group responsibility, but I don't think I agree in this case, if that's indeed your opinion.
I trust I haven't been unkind to your fledgling, momma? In point of fact, I'm doing him a service by educating him about some of the actions of the borders of his society. Your affront is like a redneck complaining about a white Southerner being schooled on slavery.
Tunis is in North Africa. It used to be known as Carthage.
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So instead of giving him the benefit of the doubt, instead of trusting his intelligence (as you said yourself, "he speaks several languages and speaks like a person used to many ideologies", one would assume he is very intelligent) you demand that people do not engage or challenge him because being Tunisian somehow makes him unable to cope?
I am not excusing what they have said or done, but your argument in his defense is equally small minded. Just because he is Tunisian does not mean that he is somehow not intelligent or broad minded enough to cope with their style of argument.
No one is intelligent enough to debate with people who cannot read or comprehend.
Bells
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I personally find your constant reminders of his ethnicity to be demeaning.
Do you think a Tunisian is so backwards that they are unable to debate? Do you think that because he is Tunisian, he is somehow ignorant of the ways of the world?
I personally find your constant reminders of his ethnicity to be demeaning.
Do you think there is a reason he was so upset he opened three threads on the same topic within a short period of time?
Yes, he got caught lying and took offense to being exposed.
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