What do scientists and Theists have in common?

[Dennis Tate]

The majority of both scientists and Theists do love their kids.... their spouses... their parents and grandparents and of course their dogs!

A significant percentage of both scientists and Theists are also educators......
who invest many years of study to become qualified to teach their specialty......

A significant percentage of both scientists as well as Theists have English as a first language..... which is very good news for the future of this discussion forum.

I taught English as a second language in Quito, Ecuador from January of 2001 until April of 2002 which was quite a privilege for a guy who had worked at forestry and other menial jobs for all of my life. I plead guilty to having been somewhat bitten by the "Educator Virus"........ so my apologies for my having some sort of diabolical plan for just about every discussion that I begin.........

.... I also taught my step son from my first failed marriage to play chess in 1990 and within four months he was Nova Scotia champion for Grade five students. I took him to the Canadian national championships on the March break of 1991, and he did win against the Grade five champion from Saskatchewan, one of the only other provinces in Canada with a population of only one million.

I am of the belief that a very high percentage of scientists as well as Theists may be able to come together regarding an alternative theory on stabilization of the climate that would tend to hit Theists with a touch of guilt regarding our having terribly failed at:


"And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it." (Genesis 2:15)

The majority of scientists and the majority of Theists do recognize the fact that our children and grandchildren will inherit this earth........ a lot of room for improvement could be made in how we apply the very basic principles of "environmentalism."

 

[Dennis Tate]

On one side of this question is the obvious fact that lives are at stake
..... frankly millions and even billions of lives are at stake in relation to how we address.....
or fail to address how our industrial economy is or is not affecting the environment????????????

While I lived in Quito, Ecuador I found out that outside of the city by about one kilo-meter and you will hit
a rate of illiteracy that is well above sixty percent.

In all of my four previous campaigns for public office I was hoping that somebody would translate my primary campaign writings into
side by side Spanish to English and English to Spanish.... so that some of my former students at Universidad Technologica de Israel de Quito might
just be able to use what I wrote to gain even greater enthusiasm to continue learning English as a second language.

So far... I haven't managed to arrange for that to happen... but I haven't given up yet.......

.... (Note... with a sum total of forty one ballots cast for me in all four of my previous campaigns I feel that I may be qualified as
"Canada's Worst Politician.!"...... (certainly one of the worst anyway))!

 

[Dennis Tate]

PREDICTION: APRIL FOOLS DAY 2021 IS GOING TO BE WILD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[James R]

The majority of both scientists and Theists do love their kids....

Scientists and theists are not mutually exclusive categories, which makes this entire thread kind of pointless, if you ask me.

 

[Dennis Tate]

Scientists and theists are not mutually exclusive categories, which makes this entire thread kind of pointless, if you ask me.

Scientists seem to me to be coming up with evidence that to my thinking indicates that The Creator.....
is first and foremost a Scientist / Inventor.

The logic of this should have a significant effect on theology over the coming couple of centuries.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/something-from-nothing-vacuum-can-yield-flashes-of-light/

A vacuum might seem like empty space, but scientists have discovered a new way to seemingly get something from that nothingness, such as light. And the finding could ultimately help scientists build incredibly powerful quantum computers or shed light on the earliest moments in the universe's history.

From the perspective of our point of view it may appear that these particles are merely popping in and out of our dimension.... but it seems almost obvious that they may have been in another one or more of the other dimensions explained by String Theory before and after their seemingly short lived visit to our dimension where electromagnetism, gravity, weak and strong nuclear force are NOT in unity.

These virtual particles often appear in pairs that near-instantaneously cancel themselves out. Still, before they vanish, they can have very real effects on their surroundings. For instance, photons—packets of light—can pop in and out of a vacuum. When two mirrors are placed facing each other in a vacuum, more virtual photons can exist around the outside of the mirrors than between them, generating a seemingly mysterious force that pushes the mirrors together.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

Scientists and theists are not mutually exclusive categories, which makes this entire thread kind of pointless, if you ask me.

the poll is a poll asking you to agree that they are both the same
its not a poll because it doesn't poll both sides of a specific concept
it is borderline low quality propaganda

opinionated discussion versus polling

polling and real hard data in this pandemic reality is a touchy subject

Scientists seem to me to be coming up with evidence that to my thinking indicates that The Creator.....
is first and foremost a Scientist / Inventor.

ok
so this is your correct thread subject
and the thread subject probably needs to be moved to alternate theory's

keeping in mind your using conventional science
psychology
to attest advancing theoretical principals un-proven of conventional scientific frame works

so conversation version versus scientific version
versus playing click bait games inside religion audiences

ive met socialized and chatted at length with people who have studied the bible extensively and also study science

but your spinning psychology as conventional science to use as your tool to define an alternate theory example

intellectually your trying to save a drowning concept by jumping in the water/discussion with an anchor tied to your theory

The logic of this should have a significant effect on theology over the coming couple of centuries.

FYI
climate change is going to effectively wipe out religion at its current rate
the impending doom of massive sea level rise and sudden changing climate will force a more brutal science required survival of the fittest type of reality and religion as a conventional construct as institutionalized religion
will be wiped out

so you may realise why i find those conservative religious types promoting fake anti covid media & propaganda
but thats some people

where does conventional institutionalized religion hold its most followers ?
in 3rd world economic situations
they are all going to be turned into refugees by climate change

so concerning your question
what-do-scientists-and-theists-have-in-common

climate change
human biological reality (requires food water shelter & is subject to diseases & illnesses and viruses solar flares etc etc)

all your poll answer options are morals
and not actual comparisons
they are shared attribute moral directive values

for a science message board this thread is probably one of the most troll like i have seen for a few weeks for a science forum
comparing scientists with bible teachers


you are exploiting the "Religion" message board area to flame science
in a science message board

im not sure if you think this is a valid form of comedy
it lacks any real punch line
reads more like low brow propaganda trying to dazzle believers with some type of kumbaya type idea

or just trying to mock the science boards

what have i miss interpreted ?



this is probably best suited to alternate theory's

theoretical quantum physics
string theory
general discussion basic concepts

From the perspective of our point of view it may appear that these particles are merely popping in and out of our dimension.... but it seems almost obvious that they may have been in another one or more of the other dimensions explained by String Theory before and after their seemingly short lived visit to our dimension where electromagnetism, gravity, weak and strong nuclear force are NOT in unity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Greene

Brian discusses these ideas in some of his documentary's
it reads almost as though you have simply copied some of his words
if you are quoting him you need to add his name

keep in mind if your quoting Brian or Michio & then attempting to use their own words
breaching copywrite
to then spin religion to undermine advanced scientific theory(attempting to use their content against them)
you may find yourself coming undone eventually


if you want to create a new term under religion
may i suggest
creationist multi verse god creates a multi verse

you will still need to provide accreditation to those your quoting

im a HUGE brian & michio fan
fyi
besmirch them at your own intellectual peril

 

[RainbowSingularity]

From the perspective of

unity.

These virtual particles often appear in pairs that near-instantaneously cancel themselves out. Still, before they vanish, they can have very real effects on their surroundings. For instance, photons—packets of light—can pop in and out of a vacuum. When two mirrors are placed facing each other in a vacuum, more virtual photons can exist around the outside of the mirrors than between them, generating a seemingly mysterious force that pushes the mirrors together.

https://www.ted.com/talks/brian_greene_making_sense_of_string_theory/transcript

 

[billvon]

"What do scientists and Theists have in common?"

They both end in -ists.

What do I win?

 

[RainbowSingularity]

"What do scientists and Theists have in common?"

They both end in -ists.

What do I win?

lol
a world of "ist's" & "isism's"

they are both human
thus biological
share basic needs of biological life forms

everything else is up for speculative debate.
moral concepts are subjective to regional cultural and national groups and boundarys

assigning an international moral value to a set field of subjective pro-noun for a functional role(in this case professional)
is pure entertainment

who is the audience ?

 

[Dennis Tate]

unity.


https://www.ted.com/talks/brian_greene_making_sense_of_string_theory/transcript

I am no scientist......
I am a janitor.....
so a logical question on my mind is.....
am I an IDIOT to suspect that those particles did not vanish at all.....
but instead they went off into another level of energy that is explained by high school language String Theory?????

"It was not until 1920 that the idea of linking electromagnetism and
gravity resurfaced. At that time a new theory of gravitation had been proposed by Albert Einstein (1879-1955), called the general theory of relativity. It was a replacement of Newton's theory, which had stood unchallenged since 1687. Inspired by Einstein's work, a young German mathematician named Theodore Kaluza was seized by a curious idea. The theory of relativity links space an time together to form a four-dimensional space-time continuum. What would happen, mused Kaluza, if general relativity were formulated in five rather than four dimensions? This is what Kaluza did, and to everyone's astonishment it was discovered that five-dimensional gravity obeys the same laws as
four-dimensional gravity as well as Maxwell's laws for the electromagnetic field. In other words, gravitation and electromagnetism are automatically unified in five dimensions, where electromagnetism is merely a component of gravity!"

The only drawback of the theory concerns the extra dimension. Why
don't we see it? An ingenious answer was provided by Oskar Klein. A
hosepipe viewed from afar looks like a wiggly line, i.e. one- dimensional.
However, on closer inspection it can be seen as a narrow tube. It is, in fact,
two-dimensional, and what was taken to be a point on the line is actually a
little circle going around the tube. In the same way, reasoned Klein, what we normally regard as a point in three dimensional space could in reality be a little circle going around a fourth space dimension. Thus Kaluza's extra
dimension might well exist, but be impossible to detect because it is closed
(circular) and rolled up to a very small circumference. In spite of
these bizarre overtones, it seems probable that in future a "theory of everything" will make use of the idea of unseen higher dimensions."
....

"Although nature manifests four distinct forces, physicists believe that
each may be part of a smaller number of more primitive forces. At high energy, the electromagnetic and weak forces appear to merge into a single "electroweak" force. Some "grand unified theories" suggest that a further amalgamation takes place between the electroweak and strong forces at as yet unattained energies. The most ambitious unification schemes envisage an amalgamation of all four forces into a single "superforce" at ultra-high levels of energy."...

"The real burden in the next three centuries will not be the development of fancy mathematics, but the experimental testing of these ambitious theories. All current thinking about total unification assumes that the effects of linking all the forces and particles together will only become manifest at energies that are some trillion times greater than those currently attainable in particle accelerators. Probably we shall never reach such energies directly" ( A Theory of Everything" Volume 21 of "The World of Science)​

 

[Dennis Tate]

"What do scientists and Theists have in common?"

They both end in -ists.

What do I win?

Nineteen thousand four hundred and seventeen posts.......
Wow!!!

I will now send you a personal message to one of my other discussions that could over the following months be translated into an answer for part of your question??????

 

[James R]

Scientists seem to me to be coming up with evidence that to my thinking indicates that The Creator..... is first and foremost a Scientist / Inventor.

Science does not mention a "Creator", let alone discuss the natural of any putative Creator. You're confusing science and religion.

 

[Dennis Tate]

Science does not mention a "Creator", let alone discuss the natural of any putative Creator. You're confusing science and religion.

Or.... perhaps Stephen Hawking Ph. D. was a "Closet Theist" or at minimum a "Closet Agnostic" and was setting the stage for Theistic Evolutionary Theory in chapter thirteen of "Stephen Hawking's Universe?

 

[James R]

Or.... perhaps Stephen Hawking Ph. D. was a "Closet Theist" ...

No. He was a self-described atheist.

 

[gmilam]

Scientists and theists are all humans... What do I win?

 

[Write4U]

Scientists and Theists have "getting high" in common.

Many scientists like Carl Sagan used marijuana to expand their perspective on certain complicated issues.
OTOH, Frankincense is very popular in churches to expand the believers perspective on certain complicated issues.

Incense May Act As a Psychoactive Drug during Religious Ceremony
An ingredient in frankincense eases anxiety and elevates mood

Burning incense has accompanied religious ceremonies since ancient times. Its fragrant presence may be more than symbolic, however—a May 20 study in the FASEB journal suggests that a chemical commonly found in incense may elevate mood.

Raphael Mechoulam of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and his colleagues injected mice with incensole acetate, a component of the resin of the Boswellia plant. This resin, better known as frankincense, is an ingredient in Middle Eastern incense. The chemical reduced anxiety and depressive symptoms in the mice. In the anxiety test, for example, injected animals were less fearful of open spaces as compared with mice that were given a placebo.

Incensole acetate is a mild drug: the chemical proved to be 10 times less potent than Valium in its reduction of anxiety, Mechoulam says. During religious ceremonies, the people inhaling the most smoke—the officiants burning the incense—are probably the only ones who feel its effects, he adds. Incensole acetate may lead to new treatments for anxiety and depression if more potent forms can be synthesized and if it successfully lifts moods in human trials.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/mass-appeal/