What causes the charge of an electron?

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What is the difference between volume and polar volume? And unit polar volume?

I would have to first get into why and how anything exists, if the thread owner doesn't mind, but I couldn't do it all at once anyway. It has to do with zero-sum physics. Polar volume has to do with the polarity of charge. The hypercube is kind of like Einstein's block universe, in a way.

Once we know why the cosmos exists, we can more readily comprehend it.
 
Let me get my hip boots. The bullshit is getting deeper.
 
I would have to first get into why and how anything exists, if the thread owner doesn't mind, but I couldn't do it all at once anyway. It has to do with zero-sum physics. Polar volume has to do with the polarity of charge. The hypercube is kind of like Einstein's block universe, in a way.

Once we know why the cosmos exists, we can more readily comprehend it.


I'm open to all official answers as well as intuitive speculations. Einstein seemed capable of coming up with kinaesthetic and geometrical metaphors to describe the results of his equations. I was wondering if anything comparable has been done with charge. A set of mathematical formulae only .001% of humanity understands is one thing. But a real explanation should make sense to the average joe on the street. If not then you haven't done a very good job at explaining have you? In any case, I'm open to the fact that we probably don't understand near as much as we think we do. I see science as a map. You can make accurate predictions from it. You can even define your location in terms of its coordinates and place names. Nevertheless, the fact remains that "the map is not the territory" and never will be. Sometimes we need to put the map down and just observe the mystery that surrounds us. Asking intelligible questions seems one way of doing that.
 
Circles do ever come into play, for they are of the field waves whirled, and, with their motion in 3D, they become as cylinders, an ‘up’ quark and a ‘down’ quark, this for sure
Demonstrate it.

I would have to first get into why and how anything exists
Can't you even give a definition for the terminology you use? You use the phrase several times. If you can't explain terminology you use then don't use it, otherwise what is the point? You've used a phrase whose meaning you've made up and thus no one else knows and so your entire post is rendered pointless if you can't then explain WTF you're talking about.

if the thread owner doesn't mind, but I couldn't do it all at once anyway.
I don't think you could do it at all, in any part, given any amount of time.

You utterly ignored all my other comments, all my other requests you explain your bullshit. It would seem you know its all bullshit, you just don't want to admit it.

It has to do with zero-sum physics
And what is 'zero sum physics'? Sounds like you're playing buzzword bingo, because there's such a thing as zero sum game theory but not zero sum physics. Once again you make up your own terminology and don't (and I bet can't) explain it. I'm certain its a defence mechanism to try and avoid facing up to the fact you're spouting crap.

Polar volume has to do with the polarity of charge.
Elaborate. I want details.

The hypercube is kind of like Einstein's block universe, in a way.
I know what a hypercube is, higher dimensional geometry is something of a speciality of mine. My point was that the observable universe isn't a hypercube, as a hypercube wouldn't have the isotropy we observe. In addition there's no such thing as 'Einstein's block universe'. There's 'Einstein's static universe' but that's not a hypercube either, its a particular cosmological model.

Let's be clear here, you aren't going to dig yourself out of that hole you're in using more buzzwords and bullshit.
 
A set of mathematical formulae only .001% of humanity understands is one thing. But a real explanation should make sense to the average joe on the street. If not then you haven't done a very good job at explaining have you?
While I can see your point I don't entirely agree.

Yes, I think its vital for the good of everyone that the general population has a decent grasp of the basics of scientific principles. Unfortunately the attitude of all too many people in the general population is a gleeful ignorance where they proudly proclaim "I can't do mathematics", when they'd never be proud to say "I can't read!", to say nothing of the creationist crap that happens in the US where they proclaim "Someone has to stand up to these experts". As such I'd fully support any initiative to help raise the basic science teaching standards. However, I don't agree fully with the statement "If your work can't be explained to the average joe then you're not doing a good job".

Now part of this depends on what you mean by 'explain'. I can give a 2 minute summary of my PhD thesis concepts to anyone but it will utterly lack any detail. However, if they ask "But how did you arrive at your conclusion" then if I'm unable to go into details beyond high school level maths and physics then there is no answer I can give which isn't just "I can't tell you, you'll have to believe me" reworded. After all, a PhD is supposed to involve work sufficiently complicated it takes years to do and is something no one else has done before.

This sort of relates to 'catch 22' situations which occur on these forums when I'm 'discussing' things with cranks. A crank will ask "So how do you prove that then?" and I will give them a very superficial answer which outlines the methodology I'd use but doesn't give any details. This is because cranks invariably don't know the relevant details and thus I'm tailoring my reply to their understanding. However, they'll then say "That isn't proof, you haven't given any details!". I'll then give another reply where I get elbow deep in details and demonstrate the proof. Their response is "That's all maths, that doesn't count", in that they don't understand it so its not a valid answer.

Unfortunately the world is a complicated place and its a little naive to think that everything should be explainable to any level of specificity to Joe Public, some things are just inherently complicated. For instance, we all have a basic grasp of how the human body works but the intricacies and subtleties doctors have to deal with is something which the average person can't understand without years of training. That's why any specialised area of knowledge generally takes years of training, its outside of people's everyday experience.

If someone pushes for a 'detailed explanation' then unless they are sufficiently competent with the topic at hand to grasp the relevant methodologies then its often not possible to give an explanation of research to their satisfaction. This is not the fault of the researcher, it is related to the inherent complexity of much of the universe.
 
I believe that a explanation that make sense for the general population is a good way to introduce people to science.
 
It would seem you know its all bullshit, you just don't want to admit it.

It goes without saying that all is bull until better explained and proven.

I'll get back to it, no worry.


Finishing the fractional charge vague idea first…

The proton is not complete by itself, in charge; it requires the -1 charged electron for balance.

The electron, 1836 times smaller, is the all-spark and the commander, a result of the friction that can never again provide unity, the tension of the spheres and remainders, from which it both comes, that can never be the same again.

The electron is the charge between the two 1/6 half-remainder parts, or, better yet, is perhaps of the space between the three cylinders, that space which makes the cylinder into a cube or a hexagon, whose charge must be of the ‘-’ polarity, it not having the ‘stop’ quality of the sphere, but the sideward movement, yet still bounded by the striations, and composed of three 1/6 parts of the hexagon minus the cylinder, it occurring between any three cylinders.
 
Why 1836 as the ratio of proton to the electron?

Three spheres and the 6 half-remainders of the three cylinders are employed in the neutron and the proton of an atomic unit.

There are 12 positions of the 6 half-remainders:
Left, right, up, down, front, back, making 6, so far, but then times 2, since there are two half-remainders per cylinder, making 12 positions of power.

The situation of 1/12 is thus paramount. 12 positions makes one side of a right triangle, the 3 spheres making another side.

12(positions)^2 * 3(spheres)^2 = 144 + 9 = 153,

Which is the angular power of the inward direction versus the sideward direction.

(1836/12 = 153)

12 is also close to the cube root of 1836, which could be used to find the electron radius, for mass increases as the cube of the radius, thus the electron radius being 1/12 of that of the proton.

Admittedly, this could all be just numerology.
 
Charge has a connection to entropy. Separation into two equal and opposite entities increased the degrees of freedom within matter, relative to the single degree of freedom within mass and gravity. The higher entropy of charge, relative to mass, has further degrees of freedom with each charge having two degrees of freedom via the EM force.

The extra fundamental entropy within charge contains potential energy with equal and opposite charge attempting to lower fundamental entropy by lowering the degrees of freedom in the EM force and sometimes charge itself.
 
I'm open to all official answers as well as intuitive speculations. Einstein seemed capable of coming up with kinaesthetic and geometrical metaphors to describe the results of his equations. I was wondering if anything comparable has been done with charge. A set of mathematical formulae only .001% of humanity understands is one thing. But a real explanation should make sense to the average joe on the street. If not then you haven't done a very good job at explaining have you? In any case, I'm open to the fact that we probably don't understand near as much as we think we do. I see science as a map. You can make accurate predictions from it. You can even define your location in terms of its coordinates and place names. Nevertheless, the fact remains that "the map is not the territory" and never will be. Sometimes we need to put the map down and just observe the mystery that surrounds us. Asking intelligible questions seems one way of doing that.


Why Anything?

The human condition is such that it often just prematurely halts at a word, such as ‘God’, for the believers, or ‘matter’ or ‘forever’, for anyone.

The Cosmos or its basis, meaning All, not just our locality or universe, must be eternal, or it wouldn’t be every-when, as well as infinite, or it wouldn’t be everywhere, and so the prime and causeless mover must have these attributes, requiring nothing else but itself. Nor can the ultimate basis be a complex composite, for these are not fundamental, but come later. (‘God’ is out, too.) The ultimate basis must be the simplest state.

As for matter, it has many particulars, such as its total amount and its individual properties of spin, charge, form, size, mass, location matter vs. antimatter state, and other specifics, or limitations, such as that there are only two stable matter particles, the electron/positron and the proton/antiproton, and only one stable energy particle, the photon. (Neutrons decay.)

We cannot just stop at the word ‘matter’ and just say that it is what what was around forever, for one simply cannot have an eternal something already made and defined in all of its particulars without it ever having been made and defined in the first place that never was. Impossible.

So, where does this leave us? We are fine, for there is/was literally nothing to make the original stuff of, anyway, and no way around this fact; so, ‘nothing’ must be the answer, it also being the simplest state, one that is necessarily perfectly unstable, for it cannot be at all or stay as such. So, the vacuum fluctuates, making the vacuum a ‘vacuum’. Movement is natural, not stillness. Existence is a positive/negative distribution of nonexistence. ‘Nothing’ is the only candidate for the prime mover.

Welcome to zero-sum physics; (and ‘nothing’ is exactly the opposite of ‘God’.) Look about; there are particles of opposite polarity of charge and matter/antimatter states; the weak force opposes the strong force; the positive kinetic energy of stuff is canceled by the negative potential energy of gravity, etc., for an equation of a zero balance had to replace the cause and effect that could not have gone on forever beneath.

What does all this have to do with charge?

It is the opposite polarity of charge that nullifies all of existence in the overview, but not in actuality, for nothing cannot be.


Zero-sum physics perhaps started here:

Einstein as a near traffic fatality…

George Gamow told in his book, ‘My world line’, how he was conversing with Albert Einstein while walking through Princeton in the 1940s. Gamow casually mentioned that one of his colleagues [Pascual Jordan] had pointed out to him that according to Einstein’s equations a star could be created out of nothing at all, because [at point zero] its negative gravitational energy [mass defect] precisely cancels out [is equal to] its positive mass energy [rest mass].

“Einstein stopped in his tracks,” says Gamow, “And, since we were crossing a street, several cars had to stop to avoid running us down”.


Now that we know of this zero-balance requirement, we might use it as a reason for the necessity of conservation laws, in some way.


What about the word ‘eternal’ or ‘forever’? We need go on to the implications, for forever systems are their own precursors. No first matter making light; no first light making matter. No first anything.


How? Opposite pair production, perhaps.
 
Maybe the charge is caused from a puffed up toad. Toads do that to avoid being swallowed. That's why your having such a hard time swallowing some of the scientific BS.

Did you know that there is a proposal that there could be a black hole electron? That a black hole could have the same mass and charge as the electron and it would share the same properties. Where do they come up with this crap. Do astronomers seriously routinely study black holes?

Science is mathematical in nature but nature itself is not mathematical. It only exists in our heads. Science is becoming more dependent on imagination and the human imagination is unlimited. It is starting to take the physical out of physics.

Let’s be honest, most of the time it’s purely “what ifs”, and sure sometimes they lead to new discoveries, but many times they don’t. We only hear about the successes. They are attributing too much scientific truth to the guesswork.
 
I'm open to all official answers as well as intuitive speculations. Einstein seemed capable of coming up with kinaesthetic and geometrical metaphors to describe the results of his equations. I was wondering if anything comparable has been done with charge. ...


Once you step away from the official answers of generally accepted contemporary theory, most of what you will get will be labeled pseudoscience or fringe science.

Einstein and his contemporaries lived in a different time. Theoretical physics had not yet been completely dislodged from its philosophical roots. Essentially ideas led to the math. Today to a significant degree ideas are drawn from the math. (By the way though Einstein was instrumental in the origins of Quantum Theory, most of his work was not directed at understanding the atom or its parts.)

The short answer is No. There is no comparable plain language model for the origin of the electron charge. There are some intuitive or fringe science models that could lead to some insight, but I am not sure introducing such here would lead to more than debate rather than discussion.

Part of the problem is that even given its inherent difficulties, the standard model of particle physics remains the generally accepted contemporary model and the standard model does not play well with competing perspectives.

The mathematics involved does not even play well with competing disciplines within the standard model. Proof lies in the almost predictable degree to which discussion evolves or breakdown into criticism, among otherwise what seems to be knowledgeable posters.
 
Wasn't the charge of the electron do to virtual photons that surrounded it all the time like a shield or something?
 
I see that this thread has now descened into outright nonsense.
 
Do you have one? Go on then give us the hard details. Maybe we can sort through it.

What causes the charge of an electron?
 
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