GeoffP said:Crusades were essentially a defensive military reaction to islamic aggression.
I guess someone here needs a history lesson. "Defensive military reaction" you got to be joking me.
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GeoffP said:Crusades were essentially a defensive military reaction to islamic aggression.
The Crusades took place in about the 12th century. Arabs had tried to invade France in 732 and were driven back by Charles Martel (The Hammer) who terrorized them by trying to annihilate them as they retreated to Spain after being defeated at the Battle of Tours (it actually took place about 50 miles south of Tours). By the time of the Crusades, most of Spain was no longer under Islamic control. The Arabs were not in control of or trying to attack any European countries from which the Crusaders came.the Crusades were essentially a defensive military reaction to Islamic aggression.
(Q) said:I am pleased to see an intelligent discussion, so excuse me for interrupting.
No problem, intelligent discussion will again continue notwithstanding.
Stop right there: How much are these necklaces?Should the victims of clergy abuse wear penises around their necks as a constant reminder of what Roman Catholic pedophile priests did to them?
786 said:I guess someone here needs a history lesson. "Defensive military reaction" you got to be joking me.
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GeoffP: While I do not have a lot of love for the Islamic culture, I do not like to see gross inaccuracies posted.
“ the Crusades were essentially a defensive military reaction to Islamic aggression. ”
The Crusades took place in about the 12th century. Arabs had tried to invade France in 732 and were driven back by Charles Martel (The Hammer) who terrorized them by trying to annihilate them as they retreated to Spain after being defeated at the Battle of Tours (it actually took place about 50 miles south of Tours). By the time of the Crusades, most of Spain was no longer under Islamic control. The Arabs were not in control of or trying to attack any European countries from which the Crusaders came.
The alleged motive for the Crusades was to take control of the so called Holy Lands where various sites important to the Catholic Church were located. Some have claimed that various other motives were actually the reason for the Crusades. I do not consider myself familiar with this era, but do not think my views are far off the mark.
GeoffP said:IA! How I've missed you on FFI and other places I've run you off. Silly Wahhabit, can't hide for long, old son.Say, would you like to blame 9/11 on the Mossad here too? Go on, old son. I know you want to.
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I will not provide any citations supporting my mention of the Battle of Tours, since this is a well known event. I doubt that your above remark was directed toward this part of my post. I stand by my previous post.Dinosaur, I like your posts mate, but you should go up to your history teachers and demand your money back. Don't take my word for it. Look it up. You'll be surprised.
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CrusadesThe alleged motive for the Crusades was to take control of the so called Holy Lands where various sites important to the Catholic Church were located. Some have claimed that various other motives were actually the reason for the Crusades. I do not consider myself familiar with this era, but do not think my views are far off the mark.
Armies from France, England, & Italy were involved in the initial real Crusade, which was subsequent to a fiasco Crusade led by some fanatic monk. At that time, Spain was the only European country invaded and controlled by Islamic forces. As I posted previously, France (in 732) was the only other European country which had been invaded by Islamic forces. Note that Islamic aggression had ended long before the Crusades started toward the end of the 12th century (about 1195-1199). At that time, the Islamic empire had pretty much stopped expanding (Except perhaps toward India. I am not familiar with when they started their Eastward expansion). The following indicates that prior to the crusades, a big part of Spain had been taken from the Berber/Moors, leaving only half under their control. http://www.spanish-fiestas.com/andalucia/history-moorish-spain3.htmThe Crusades were a series of several military campaigns—usually sanctioned by the Papacy—that took place during the 11th through 13th centuries. Originally, they were Roman Catholic endeavors to recapture the Holy Land from the Muslims, but some were directed against other Europeans, such as the Fourth Crusade against Constantinople, the Albigensian Crusade against the Cathars of southern France and the Northern Crusades.
Contrary to the implicaitons of your post, the crusades were not related to an attempt to regain control of Spain. That had started well before the first Crusade and was partially successful by the time of the first Crusade.Many writers refer to Moorish rule over Spain spanning the 800 years from 711 to 1492 yet this is a misconception. The reality is that the Berber-Hispanic Muslims inhabited two-thirds of the peninsula for 375 years, about half of it for another 160 years and finally the kingdom of Granada for the remaining 244 years.
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