Were Adam and Eve the first people?

[Jan Ardena]

Am I misunderstanding your view of atheism?

Atheism is what it is.

It is not my view that an atheist is a person who does not accept and believe in God.

It is not my view that an atheist denies and rejects the God that they know exists.

God, is your God too.

So yes, you are knee- deep in misunderstanding.

The Kamikazes believed in some Japanese religion. Harakiri (suicide) was a religious rite.

What does that have to do with anything?
Atheists are religious too, and will defend it, irrationally. You only have to read this thread to work that one out.

If a law was passed requiring belief in some god or gods, I would worship Athena, the Greek goddess of wisdom.

Yeah right!
Because you can pick and choose what you want to believe. Right?

Jan.

 

[Beer w/Straw]

Atheism is what it is.

It is not my view that an atheist is a person who does not accept and believe in God.

It is not my view that an atheist denies and rejects the God that they know exists.

God, is your God too.

So yes, you are knee- deep in misunderstanding.

Just what "is" this God you talk about??

 

[Jan Ardena]

Just what "is" this God you talk about??

This isn’t the thread for that.
But if you’re interested, then find out for yourself.

Jan.

 

[Beer w/Straw]

This isn’t the thread for that.
But if you’re interested, then find out for yourself.

Well, is there like, a book or something that could teach me about the "God"? Like, where to find him and stuff, because if he did create this Adam and Eve and stuff, he'd know the answers don't you think?

 

[billvon]

Because you can pick and choose what you want to believe. Right?

Of course. You do, for example.

 

[Write4U]

Denial, and rejection.
You do not care for truth, fact, or, evidence.
You will believe anything , if your mind can use it to defend you worldview, cloaked head to toe in nothing.
Look out folks, the empower hasn’t got any clothes on. His mind is altogether as naked as the day that it was born.
Thanks for showing us the true face of atheism.

Jan.

Apparently you forgot that the Japanese Emperor was considered a God at that time.
And thanks for showing the true face of guilt and hate mongering in the name of piety, the true face of theism.

Lest we forget, theism has been the cause for more deaths than all other secular wars together.

 

[Write4U]

Suicide, hmm?

Would it not benefit the species if every man voluntarily committed suicide for sex i.e. the woman eating his head of during intercourse like a praying mantis?

I think it could solve all the worlds problems.

The male won't have to buy dinner, he is the dinner.......

 

[origin]

It is not my view that an atheist denies and rejects the God that they know exists.

Please present evidence that atheist know that God exists or retract your mind reading statement.

 

[Jan Ardena]

Not if you can convince a person it is their duty. Religion helps with that.

Which means they are suffering from one of the psychological reasons that make people want to commit suicide in the first place.

Sure. But again, religion helps convince people to do it.

I don’t think it does.
Atheists are more proned to committing suicide than theists.

They believed in several gods. They were religious. Shinto is a religion. It was a very useful religion, because it helped the government convince gullible young soldiers that it was their duty to kill themselves to stop the Allies.

So you deny and reject the quote I posted. Let me guess, because it didn’t appear to be in favour of your worldview.

Typical.

Trying to get out of that by claiming that a religion is not a religion, and the followers of that religion are atheists, is pretty much the definition of "mincing words." Congratulations! You have once again led with an accusation, then in the very next line, demonstrated that you are guilty of what you have just accused other of. Seems to be a pattern.

Most people know that Japan is traditionally, an atheist country.
The quote I posted, which displays the obvious reason why those pilots committed suicide, gave a perfectly good reason. Which was devoid of any religious implications.
But you’re just going to deny and reject it flat out. Aren’t you?

Coming from you, the guy who claims:

1 That Adam and Eve weren't the first people per the Bible
2That Santa Claus is real
3 That I am an atheist
4That is very funny! Thanks for the laugh.

1 You cannot show that they were, I can, and have shown that they weren’t. Yet you (choose to) believe that they were.

You see that is the problem. You think that convincing yourself that something is true, is the same as actual belief that it is true.
You world view is based on the lies you tell yourself.

2 Santa Clause is a real character, based on a real person. Do you agree, or not?

3 Then you do a brilliant impersonation of one.

So what are you, if not atheist?

4 I wish I could really make you laugh. It would undoubtedly free you up, and we would have much greater exchanges.

I think that right now you can’t stand me, because I force you to lie, also, make irrational, sometimes stupid claims and points, in public.

Jan.

 

[billvon]

So you deny and reject the quote I posted. Let me guess, because it didn’t appear to be in favour of your worldview.

I don't deny it at all. You misread it. I suspect you read it and saw what you wanted to, rather than what it said. Because you can pick and choose what you want to believe.

Most people know that Japan is traditionally, an atheist country.

So Shinto is not a religion? This must be one of those cases where you are somewhat offended by reality, so you make up your own.

But you’re just going to deny and reject it flat out. Aren’t you?

Nope. Again, I am not denying that. Are you denying my citation, that Shinto was the religion used to convince pilots that they would be revered for their acts?

You cannot show that they were,

I have. Doesn't really matter. People can read the Bible for themselves and realize that it claims that they were the first people. Of course, you can ignore reality and substitute your own beliefs; you are great at that.

Santa Clause is a real character, based on a real person. Do you agree, or not?

Santa Claus is not real. No matter how much you want him to be, and no matter how much you don't want to lose this argument.

You do serve a pretty useful purpose here - highlighting the worst of theists. So thanks for that.

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

Atheists are religious too, and will defend it, irrationally.

Still talking thru your hat Jan☺.

Your claim that "Atheists are religious too" is perhaps the best example of you talking thru your crushed hat.

I wonder where the expression "talking thru your hat" came from...maybe a reference to Joe Smith the inventor of Mormonism, one of many religious con men making stuff up, who famously interpreted the golden bible he alledgely borrowed from an angel, by placing his face in his hat (with a seeing stone) and dictating the contents.

But at least lieing Joe put his hat over his face to speak rather than sitting on it☺

Thank you Jan for repeatedly bringing theists into disreputtt.

I had the strangest idea last night.
It occurred to me that JC may be satans work.

Satan invents JC to con folk and have them believe one of their kind could be God and reject the laws of the OT.

The OT is much more reasonable than the NT dont you think?

And when you think about it would God employ magic tricks and fake miracals to impress humans like JCs tricks...of course a real God would not...and then there is stuff that suggest God is too magnificent for any human to gaze upon..JC does nor fit that at all...having a human god does not fit and then we have the many many solar human gods of which JC was just another...and look at the result...we have millions of humans who have turned away from the God of the old testament claiming the OT is no longer relevant...the NT brings the OT into undeserved disrepute ...satans work I say...who else but satan could produce such a result? He has turned millions of humans away from the God of the OT ... Satans work.

And certainly JC is clearly constructed with an astrology theme which suggests the hand of satan dont you think...And JC making a promise to return that he never kept sounds like something satan would do...anyways in an eternal universe anything is possible...but back to Adam and Eve...the bible was written for the simple folk of the bronze age and referencing just two people as the start of humans was just a way of saying humans came from a common ancestor.

When the author said Eve was the mother of all things he just made a mistake which is understandable for those times and a demonstratable recurring feature within the creation story he made up.

Thank you Jan for all your posts I really do look forward to reading all your stuff and enjoy mistakenly believing that I could ever nail you down your talent tells me you could find a career in politics.


Alex

 

[Bowser]

Adam and Eve, faux pas to mention or nay?

Better yet, what is the tree of knowledge?

 

[Beer w/Straw]

Better yet, what is the tree of knowledge?

Dude! Slow down please! My mind is already running a million miles a second...

 

[iceaura]

They believed in several gods. They were religious. Shinto is a religion.

They did not (necessarily) believe in several gods, or any god.
There are many atheistic religions. Some of them have produced martyrs to the faith.

Jan has created an ideal situation: a multiply-conflicting funhouse of thread-irrelevant pretexts for disparaging science and all those who value reasoning from evidence.

 

[Acitnoids]

So consciously, willingly, flying a plane into a ship, knowing that you are definitely going to die, is not committing suicide?

By this logic you are saying that when a General consciously and willingly ordered 10s of thousands of troops to storm the beaches on D-day, knowing full well thousands would die, that should be considered mass murder?

And let’s not mince words here.
They were atheists, because they did not believe in God.

This must be one of those "alternative facts" I have been hearing so much about lately. I didn't realize we were allowed to make up our own definitions to words.

 

[Acitnoids]

Better yet, what is the tree of knowledge?

*psst* Just a heads up, *whispers behind back of hand* It's the tree of the knowledge of good and evil not the tree of knowledge. ....

You're setting yourself up for that to come back at you heh just saying.

 

[Jan Ardena]

By this logic you are saying that when a General consciously and willingly ordered 10s of thousands of troops to storm the beaches on D-day, knowing full well thousands would die, that should be considered mass murder?

If those troops were knowingly not trained, briefed, kitted out, or had no means to defend themselves, or carry out an offensive, you’d have a point.

This must be one of those "alternative facts" I have been hearing so much about lately. I didn't realize we were allowed to make up our own definitions to words.

Nope, just another one of your dodges.
Why don’t you engage me in discussion?
What are you afraid of?

Jan.

 

[Jan Ardena]

*psst* Just a heads up, *whispers behind back of hand* It's the tree of the knowledge of good and evil not the tree of knowledge. ....

You're setting yourself up for that to come back at you heh just saying.

Do you really think he didn’t know that?

Jan.

 

[Jan Ardena]

When the author said Eve was the mother of all things he just made a mistake which is understandable for those times and a demonstratable recurring feature within the creation story he made up.

Nope. You’re the one making a foolish mistake, by denying and rejecting the God you know exists.

Feel free to show how “things” equate purely to “mankind” when you’re ready.
And stop waffling.

Jan.

 

[Beer w/Straw]

Do you really think he didn’t know that?

Jan.

Know what?