Wealth inequality doesn't have anything to do with homelessness

Just to add, desirability drives up the price obviously, again this is zero to do with whether you are born there or not. As I said not isolated and reminds me of the Meibion Glyndwr situation in the 80s. Brits will be aware of that not our cousins over the ocean.
 
However.......those people who already live there in modest housing will never be able to able to get a mortgage.
Their kids will be in the same boat.
One of the (small) ways we try to help with that is to rent to people we know for well under market.

15 years ago when we sold our first house and bought this one, we held on to the old house for a few years. We rented it out to military families we knew nearby. It doesn't get them into house ownership, but it does let them live in the area and hopefully be able to save money to someday buy a house themselves.

Last year we had a death in our extended family, and we ended up owning their house after she died. Again we're renting to a family (this time musicians) well under market rates, and hopefully they will be able to do the same.
 
One of the (small) ways we try to help with that is to rent to people we know for well under market.

15 years ago when we sold our first house and bought this one, we held on to the old house for a few years. We rented it out to military families we knew nearby. It doesn't get them into house ownership, but it does let them live in the area and hopefully be able to save money to someday buy a house themselves.

Last year we had a death in our extended family, and we ended up owning their house after she died. Again we're renting to a family (this time musicians) well under market rates, and hopefully they will be able to do the same.
That's commendable but inheritance isn't fair is it? You do nothing to earn it and it is just due to privilege. Shouldn't it go to the state and be redistributed to those without such privilege and those who are homeless?

It may not be "fair" but the funds have to come from those who can afford it (you) and it's how the system starts to address all the systemic inequalities from the past. One individual shouldn't own 3 houses in the current climate. We can't erase the housing problem immediately but we can try can't we?
 
I was getting at the fact that my friend is solvent and chose to buy a house in an area where locals are not able to.

He is doing nothing illegal but there is an ethical question.

Part of me thinks he deserves his house, he worked hard and grew up in a very difficult area, poverty, violence, drugs, gangs on a daily basis.
We both have the scars.

However.......those people who already live there in modest housing will never be able to able to get a mortgage.
Their kids will be in the same boat.

Newer properties build there will have very high price tags. So a kid born in the area, looking for a place when he has his first job and wants to get on the property ladder, has no chance in that area. Unless his UG is medicine or law, then gets a practice or partnership.
That will happen whether your friend has a house there or not. Also, what is wrong with "modest housing" that you say they live in?
 
That's commendable but inheritance isn't fair is it?
Nope. Neither is cancer or wildfires or hurricanes or being disabled. We do what we can to make it more fair.
One individual shouldn't own 3 houses in the current climate.
Given that we are providing cheap housing to people I can't get too worked up over your disapproval.
 
Nope. Neither is cancer or wildfires or hurricanes or being disabled. We do what we can to make it more fair.

Given that we are providing cheap housing to people I can't get too worked up over your disapproval.
That's your privilege speaking and apparently you don't even realize it. You're one of the "good ones", right? Aren't you profiting from someone else's disadvantages?
 
The current situation in LA underscores some of the poor policies that impact both affordable housing and wildfire resistance. (paywall-free link)



Artificially low premiums have also spurred new housing production in fire-prone regions on the edges of cities like Los Angeles. From 1990 to 2020, California built nearly 1.5 million homes in the wildlife-urban interface, putting millions of residents in the path of wildfires. Policy didn’t just pull Californians into dangerous areas. It also pushed them out of safer ones. Over the past 70 years, zoning has made housing expensive and difficult to build in cities, which are generally more resilient to climate change than any other part of the state.

The classic urban neighborhood in America—carefully maintained park, interconnected street grid, masonry-clad shops and apartments—is perhaps the most wildfire-resistant pattern of growth. By contrast, the modern American suburb—think stick-frame homes along cul-de-sacs that bump up against unmaintained natural lands—may be the least. Several of L.A.’s hardest-hit neighborhoods resemble this model.

Infill townhouses, apartments, and shops could help keep Californians out of harm’s way, but they are illegal to build in most California neighborhoods. And even where new infill housing is allowed, it is often subject to lengthy environmental reviews, which NIMBYs easily weaponize...
 
The current situation in LA underscores some of the poor policies that impact both affordable housing and wildfire resistance. (paywall-free link)

I agree with parts of the article and not with other parts. I do think this is a good time for them to reaccess where houses can and can't be built and how they are built.

Higher insurance rates were the right step and populism (voting in lower rates) is not the right step. Building apartments in single family home communities isn't the solution. No one in Pacific Palisades is going to being moving permanently into an apartment. That's just the author mixing personal political views into this story. It's not relevant.

In my opinion cramming more people into neighborhoods isn't the solution either. When a city is "full", it's time to move to or develop a new city. This fire illustrates that people can't look ahead to 2nd and 3rd order consequences and the same can be said for cramming more people into an already full community.

It should be very expensive to build in some of these hillside communities. Firefighters shouldn't have to risk their lives year after year protecting some of these places. We probably shouldn't have private property allowed on the beach front at Malibu either but that is what it is I suppose.

Florida and Southern California should start to have policies leading to decreased population densities and not ways to cram even more people in.
 
In my opinion cramming more people into neighborhoods isn't the solution either. When a city is "full", it's time to move to or develop a new city.
Cramming seems like a term that could also advance a personal political view, though not saying you were. Infill housing and mixed housing has been a solution to multiple urban problems for millennia. It is very much part of the New Urbanism, where there is transformation of underutilized urban spaces into mixed-use, pedestrian-friendly areas. This not only increases housing supply but also preserves rural lands and reduces environmental impact. Sprawl also can eat up cropland, not always the best idea when population is growing and food production systems are already straining ecosystems.

And aside from those practical reasons, there is also IMO a compelling social argument for reducing divisions in society and enclave mentality by having a New Urbanism that encourages people from different walks of life living together in mixed housing neighborhoods. Having a few multiplexes and townhouses in a picket fence subdivision, with some walkable amenities, means you might actually interact with someone different from you. And be able to leave the car home once in a while. This seems much needed in America now.
 
Cramming seems like a term that could also advance a personal political view, though not saying you were. Infill housing and mixed housing has been a solution to multiple urban problems for millennia. It is very much part of the New Urbanism, where there is transformation of underutilized urban spaces into mixed-use, pedestrian-friendly areas. This not only increases housing supply but also preserves rural lands and reduces environmental impact. Sprawl also can eat up cropland, not always the best idea when population is growing and food production systems are already straining ecosystems.

And aside from those practical reasons, there is also IMO a compelling social argument for reducing divisions in society and enclave mentality by having a New Urbanism that encourages people from different walks of life living together in mixed housing neighborhoods. Having a few multiplexes and townhouses in a picket fence subdivision, with some walkable amenities, means you might actually interact with someone different from you. And be able to leave the car home once in a while. This seems much needed in America now.
It sounds good but, in reality, it isn't. It just means that the car you left home is now more likely to be broken into rather than some new social reawakening.

The cropland thing is largely made up as well.
 
The cropland thing is largely made up as well.
Just one example (I've also witnessed this up close in Nebraska in the 70s-80s, with croplands being swallowed up around Omaha and Lincoln):



The disproportionate consumption of
the best farmland is occurring primarily because most California cities were located in areas with good soils and abundant water, and most development is now occurring on the immediate urban fringe.
..
 
It sounds good but, in reality, it isn't. It just means that the car you left home is now more likely to be broken into rather than some new social reawakening.
Is this based on real research, or anything beyond white suburban xenophobia? The stats I've seen suggest mixed housing areas are lower in crime. Speaking as one who lives in such a neighborhood, with a wide demographic range, I have yet to see the break-ins you describe. The diversity in both income levels and age of residents, and the large number of pedestrians actually seems to discourage crime. Walkable neighborhoods seem to encourage more self-policing and effective networks of people who recognize each other.
 
Just one example (I've also witnessed this up close in Nebraska in the 70s-80s, with croplands being swallowed up around Omaha and Lincoln):



The disproportionate consumption of
the best farmland is occurring primarily because most California cities were located in areas with good soils and abundant water, and most development is now occurring on the immediate urban fringe.
..
The fallacy is that most food for a city is produced just outside that city. It isn't. Also, most crops raised in the US are corn and soybeans which are feed for cattle and much is shipped to China.

Most farmers don't even make a profit. There isn't a shortage of farmland. There are small local farmers producing garden crops (vegetables) and milk. Most food isn't grown locally. US farms produce corn, soybeans, cotton, tobacco. We don't eat those. The areas of the Midwest where much is grown, aren't known for their large cities.
 
Is this based on real research, or anything beyond white suburban xenophobia? The stats I've seen suggest mixed housing areas are lower in crime. Speaking as one who lives in such a neighborhood, with a wide demographic range, I have yet to see the break-ins you describe. The diversity in both income levels and age of residents, and the large number of pedestrians actually seems to discourage crime. Walkable neighborhoods seem to encourage more self-policing and effective networks of people who recognize each other.
Where do you live? I live in Seattle.
 
The fallacy is that most food for a city is produced just outside that city. It isn't. Also, most crops raised in the US are corn and soybeans which are feed for cattle and much is shipped to China.
Not a fallacy I was making, or a topic I was opening. I only referred to arable land, regardless of what it produced.


Most farmers don't even make a profit. There isn't a shortage of farmland. There are small local farmers producing garden crops (vegetables) and milk. Most food isn't grown locally. US farms product corn, soybeans, cotton, tobacco. We don't eat those. The areas of the Midwest where much is grown, aren't known for their large cities.
Every sentence irrelevant or grossly inaccurate. You clearly know very little about the farmbelt, or the West Coast, or their areas of urban sprawl, or the full range of US crops many of which are grown and eaten domestically.
 
That's your privilege speaking and apparently you don't even realize it.
?? WTF are you talking about?

I was born in the US to two parents who valued education. I am now a middle aged cis straight white guy without a noticeable accent. I have no disabilities or deformities, am not addicted to anything, and don't have mental health issues. That makes me more privileged than 99% of the people in the world. I suspect you have many of the same privileges.

Aren't you profiting from someone else's disadvantages?

By renting them a place to live at a rate well below market, in a house that we got because someone in our family died?

I think you are trying for a "gotcha" here, but you're sort of flailing.
 
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