US ready to strike Iran by spring

Total insanity. I think Bush really does believe that it will help the Republican cause. They create chaos and war, and then campaign on being the ones to protect us.

The Iraq Study Group recommended the complete opposite, to forge ties to all the nations surrounding Iraq, and encourage them to work together to bring stability to the region.

We can only hope the Libby trial reveals the extent of their treason, and impeach Bush/Cheney in time to prevent WWIII.
 
The Devil Inside said:
russians are like americans.
they will not stop until everyone they are fighting is dead.
surrender is the ultimate shame.
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I'd have to disagree most history shows that Russia will fight til exhausted and the US will fight until public opinion won't tolerate it anymore. I don't think americans are as fatalistic as russians are......yet.

Re the OP I think this would be a tragic mistake, cracks are already showing in the theocracy and attacking Iran could only generate ill feeling in the public. Look women are the majority at Iranian Unis and the students seem dissatisfied just wait a few years and the mullahs will be gone.
 
I like the idea of militarily de-nuclearizing Iran late summer, '08.

If the Dems win the White House in the Nov. '08 election, Iran will be the Dem's "Katrina" opportunity to show the world what they have for brains, ability, and fortitude in properly fixing it all.

Remember, the international image of the U.S. will be at stake. I doubt that Dems saying, "It's not our fault" will be a terribly convincing argument with all our, um ... friends.

And when the Dems sell us out for their need to feel good for being liked, if not respected, well ... then purge will make surge look like the best course of action afterall.

It's maybe time for a cleansing civil war. And guess which half of America has all the conflict-resolution experience, and keys to the armories, too. :)
 
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He thinks he can leave the next president with a war that he or she will not be able to simply put an immediate stop to.
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Of course we can. Any time, 24/7.

Just like that other Dem did. ;)

America didn't nuke the Japanese, the Democrats did. :D
 
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Ahmedinijad is not the Head of State in Iran. The Majlis, and chiefly Khamenei, call the shots- even as Western media focuses on Ahmedinejad for his more incendiary rhetoric.

The Iranian majlis is more calculating, and less reckless than (for comparison) Saddam Hussein before he came to blows with Washington. Rather than provide a casus belli, I anticipate the Majlis will seek to deny the Bush Administration any just provocation.
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Really?
Iran role seen in attack on US troops
THE US believes it has the first evidence of direct involvement by Tehran against US forces in Iraq, suspecting Iranians were behind a January 20 attack on a military compound in Karbala in which five US soldiers were killed.
The news will boost the Bush administration's rhetoric on the need to forcibly curb Iran - a stance creating increasing nervousness among European allies and in the US Congress.

Citing unnamed US government officials, CNN said yesterday the Department of Defence was investigating whether the attack, carried out by men wearing uniforms resembling those of US troops, was carried out by Iranians or by Iraqi fighters taught by Iranians.

"We believe it's possible the executors of the attack were Iranian or Iranian-trained," one of the officials told CNN.

"This was beyond what we have seen militias or foreign fighters do," the official said.

A diplomatic source in Washington said: "It is difficult to imagine Bush and (Vice-President Dick) Cheney leaving office without resolving the Iranian issue, if necessary by force."
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21151222-2703,00.html
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Gates: Bombs Tie Iran to Iraq Extremists
Serial numbers and other markings on bombs suggest that Iranians are linked to deadly explosives used by Iraqi militants, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Friday in some of the administration's first public assertions on evidence the military has collected.
Officials say the materials _ which in their classified form include slides and some two inches of documents _ provide evidence of Iran's role in supplying Iraqi militants with highly sophisticated and lethal improvised explosive devices and other weaponry. Among the weapons is a roadside bomb known as an "explosively formed penetrator," which can pierce the armor of Abrams tanks with nearly molten-hot charges. One intelligence official said the U.S. is "fairly comfortable" it knows where the explosives came from.

The Iran dossier also lays out alleged Iranian efforts to train Iraqis in military techniques.

Other evidence includes documents captured when U.S.-led forces raided an Iranian office Jan. 11 in Irbil in northern Iraq, the official said. Tehran said it was a government liaison office, but the U.S. military said five Iranians detained in the raid were connected to an Iranian Revolutionary Guard faction that funds and arms insurgents in Iraq. http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/02/10/D8N6RHR80.html
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As much of an idiot as Bush is, I kind of like the idea of a real war.
 
Madanthonywayne:

Other highlights from your referenced article- This is hardly a "slam-dunk" case for widening hostilities into a war-zone stretching uninterrupted from Syria to China.


Gates told reporters that markings on explosives provide "pretty good" evidence that Iranians are supplying either weapons or technology for Iraqi extremists.

"I think there's some serial numbers, there may be some markings on some of the projectile fragments that we found" that point to Iran, he said.

Gates' remarks left unclear how the U.S. knows the serial numbers are traceable to Iran and whether such weapons would have been sent to Iraq by the Iranian government or by private arms dealers...

... [Gates] acknowledged the Iranian weapons are not a large percentage of the roadside bombs used in Iraq, but he said, "They're extremely lethal."

...Asked about the Defense Department inspector general's report criticizing the Pentagon's use of prewar intelligence, Gates said he hadn't yet read it.
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Far more such material has been be found of Czech, Russian, and even American origins. However, it does not suit the Bush team to advertise it. We are unlikely to retaliate against those who have for years now been clearly identified as having released to Iraqi insurgents hundreds upon hundreds of tons of explosives, from the Al- Qaqaa and Ukhaider weapons depots, and many other locations. The prime culprit in these massive and well-documented releases of explosives to insurgents- in quantities sufficient to supply decades of insurgency at present levels was... The United States.

Oniw17:"As much of an idiot as Bush is, I kind of like the idea of a real war."

Please explain what would be more "real" about war against Iranians, than our war in Iraq. And unless it's utterly depraved or devoid of first-hand experience, I'm curious to know specifically what you "kind of like" about "real" war.
 
And so it begins again...
The US military has accused the "highest levels" of Iran's government of supplying increasingly sophisticated roadside bombs to Iraq's insurgents.

Senior defence officials told reporters in Baghdad that the bombs were being used to deadly effect, killing more than 170 US troops since June 2004.

The weapons known as "explosively formed projectiles" (EFPs) are capable of destroying an Abrams tank.

US claims the bombs were smuggled from Iran cannot be independently verified.

The US officials, speaking off camera on condition of anonymity, said that EFPs had also injured more than 620 US personnel since June 2004.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6351257.stm
 
We've never used a hydrogen bomb in war. I think it's time we tested one (or ten) for real. Bye bye ME. Hello worlds largest bowl-shaped sk8 park.
 
This latest war-mongering has the same oversimplistic hallmarks as the "ties" between Saddam and 9-11. Not quite as childish as superluminal's post above, but still astoundingly facile. These allegations of Tehran causing American causualties in Iraq starkly contradict reality.

American forces have not been in direct confrontation with the Shi'a militias aligned with Iran. SCIRI's Badr brigades and Sadr's Mehdi Army have been laying low, because they are well-represented within the present government of Iraq. It is in their interests to bide their time. In anticipation of the Baghdad "Surge", shi'a militiamen are dispersing from Sadr City. They're going to sit this one out.

The Sunnis, on the other hand, have been the losers under America's restructuring, and as a result the vast majority of American casualties are occurring in Sunni areas, in confrontation with Sunni insurgents, in areas like Anbar Province, Diyalah, and Fallujah. Well over 3/4 of American casualties have been occurring in Sunni neighborhoods.

It is just as preposterous to suggest that Iran is arming up Sunni militias, as it was preposterous to allege that secular-nationalist Ba'athist were once in league with Islamist-revolutionary al-Qaeda.

Incrementally, the American public has been waking up to the reality that things are not as simple in the Mideast as Whitehouse sources would depict them. Iran's interests have been, and continue to be best served by Iran's military and logistical non-intervention, because American efforts are largely attriting Iran's Sunni opponents. Meanwhile Iran's Shi'a allies in Iraq continue to consolidate power under American control. The Iranian Majlis is not stupid, and they are certain to act in ways that allow their Shi'a allies to survive the American era in Iraq with maximum political and military potency.
 
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The US had, within it's grasp, the means to be the true peacemaker and diplomat in the world. The country that all would look to for rationality and sanity. Unfortunately, we've been ruled by christian conservatives for far too long and that time is past. Or mistakes are now non-reversible. The ultimate end will be the decadent decay (already happening) of what could have been a shining beacon for all of humanity. I weep for the memories of the founding fathers whos ideal has been crushed by the sheer momentum of human stupidity.

We apply the same strategy that newly rich people apply. We overcompensate and try to dominate in the most amateurish way. The US is over 200 years old as a nation and older still as a cohesive entity. Yet we act like petulant children. We deserve our fate. Our people are stupid.
 
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We've never used a hydrogen bomb in war. I think it's time we tested one (or ten) for real. Bye bye ME. Hello worlds largest bowl-shaped sk8 park.
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That is actually a good idea if you like to use bycicle and skateboard as your main transportation. The ME has 2/3 of the world's known oilreserves.

Bye, bye American carindustry, welcome horsebuggy, bombs away!!!
 
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That is actually a good idea if you like to use bycicle and skateboard as your main transportation. The ME has 2/3 of the world's known oilreserves.

Bye, bye American carindustry, welcome horsebuggy, bombs away!!!
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Not really. The surface only would be turned into glass. We would then put our own oil rigs in place. It would be a huge boost to the economy.
 
Superluminal:"I weep for the memories of the founding fathers whos ideal has been crushed by the sheer momentum of human stupidity."

Bullshit. You're dismissing ideals that your thoughtless posts reveal you do not even superficially comprehend.

"Our people are stupid."

Speak for yourself.

"The surface only would be turned into glass. We would then put our own oil rigs in place. It would be a huge boost to the economy."

That's more like it. What other foolishness would you like to contribute?
 
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Bullshit. You're dismissing ideals that your thoughtless posts reveal you do not even superficially comprehend.
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Ok [expletive deleted]. What is my educational background and what exactly do I not comprehend. Please be precise in your oracular pronouncements.

Speak for yourself.
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I always do, unlike the brainwashed masses you seem to be a part of.
 
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"What is my educational background"

I don't know.

"what exactly do I not comprehend"

You flippantly advocated an unprecedented Holocaust at American hands, and in nearly the next breath sanctimoniously eulogized American ideals. We weren't founded as a belligerent empire. Our founding principles were a repudiation of that. Don't insult my country and expect to skulk away without riposte.
 
hypewaders said:
"What is my educational background"

I don't know.

"what exactly do I not comprehend"

You flippantly advocated an unprecedented Holocaust at American hands, and in nearly the next breath sanctimoniously eulogized American ideals. We weren't founded as a belligerent empire. Our founding principles were a repudiation of that. Don't insult my country and expect to skulk away without riposte.
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Holy shit. Someone's sarcasm detector is in great need of a replacement. Do you really think I'm seriously advocating mass fusion weapon strikes to turn the entire ME into a glass skate park? Holy shit. I know full well what the ideals of the United States of America were and should be. I think you do too. Are you not a little pissed off at the way things are going?
 
Just as a note, I really do think that, by-and-large, our people are very stupid. They've been subjected to (and the cause of) a mass consumeristic society that values football orders of magnitude more than it does education. We are becoming a laughingstock. Where are the leaders who actually care about the ideals of the founders? Oh, right. They're too busy with lobbyists, partisan scheming, and fundraising to actually worry about reality.
 
Your sarcasm works exceedingly well in expressing your viewpoint.

I find that sarcasm too often misfires in forums like this. If I have taken your meanings wrongly, then I apologize for the error.

"Are you not a little pissed off at the way things are going?

I am indeed.

"Where are the leaders who actually care about the ideals of the founders?"

Our Founders admonished us to raise them up (and strike down our tryrants) ourselves.
 
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