What fallacy?
the belief that if one was spank they should spank?
What fallacy?
the belief that if one was spank they should spank?
Who said that?
You did
I'm not saying your making a fallacy, I'm saying that that thought pattern (that you describe to others) is a fallacy: in short you have recognizedly others are idiots, congratulations. Now I'm asking do you believe all who use corporal punishment think that way?
I would have to agree, it sounds like his parents are fuckwits incapable of tough love, and would probably fuck it up if they tried: they would not likely produce the fear and pain required. I would figure corporal punishment is best on kids and age ranges where the pain and fear of more pain is simply not worth risking again. Just as time out is useless on kids that can easily entertain them selves, even in the dark of an empty locked closet, or worse on vindictive kids that only think of revenge for any action their parents take against them. If corporal punishment fails the last option you'll have is military school, that fixes just about anyone except the criminally insane.
I never said I did. Stop putting words in my mouth.
None of those studies separate mild corporal punishment from abuse nor do some even separate based on parent income and living class. I could provide links that show occasional spankings do no harm to the child or it future endeavorers, In fact I think I did awhile back, but that's your disagreement not to read them not mine.You're free to disagree with the volumes of studies linking spanking to bullying, cheating, lying, vandalism, disobedience, aggression, anger, seething resentment, violence, spousal abuse, a lower IQ, and criminality. but that's your disagreement, not mine.
You're also free to provide studies that show physical violence is an ideal form of disciplining children and should be promoted.
I've seen the nanny show, I'm not impressed.
I'm sorry but adults are not gods, we can't prevent children from doing dangerous things all the time, every time, when a child does there is little option available to really get it in its head not to do it again.
So just to clarify: it's a better, longer lasting solution, to mold a child's behavior through fear and pain instead of explaining to a kid why it's a bad idea to do certain things?
I'm also not against a slap to the face when used in very rare occasions like when your child calls you a "motherfucker" or "bitch", etc, fuck I won't even limited that to children: you could be 40 and if you call your parents that you still deserve a slap to the face.
What is it about the Time-outs on the Nanny show that you ant impressed wit.???
For sure parents ant perfect... but its a irresponsible parent who relys on a 7 year old to insure that the toddler will not tumble down the stares... an then you woud add insult to injury by whippin the 7 year old for leavin the gate open.!!!
Parents often swear at their kids. Can the kids slap them for this?
No, because parents are the ones in charge. A family is a (hopefully benign) dictatorship not an assortment of democratic equals, again a child is not an adult, does not think like and adult and certainly not given adult rights. Even as and adult would you slap your parents if they spewed profanity at you? I wouldn't because I respect them.
The implementation and results are shown in a well edited television show.
Incorrect, it is not reliance:
if the child goes up/down the stairs, it must close the gate,
do you expect the parent to be there at all times to make sure the gate is closed?
In this specific case there was an alternate route and the child was forbidden from even using those stairs.
Not if the rules are different for adults.It's hypocritical to make a rule that says your kids may not swear at you, and then swear at them.
Oh it was earned and justified. I would agree that if your parents were neglectful abusive wastes of human life then you should call them what they are. But I would wager a guess your parents were quite the opposite, as for most people.Respect must be earned or justified, not simply given.
Originally Posted by cluelusshusbund
What is it about the Time-outs on the Nanny show that you ant impressed wit.??? ”
You obvously ant seen very many of the shows or didnt understan 'em... ether that or jus usin "edit" as a cop-out... cause the show is powerful evidence that when the parents (even parents wit you'r type of atitude) do the Time-outs corectly they are very effective.!!!
Only a divine parent could prevent a child 100% of the time from causing harm to is sibling directly or indirectly. It is not reliance on the child. Likewise had this child be say 16, would you not trust it enough to keep the gate closed?Of course its reliance... you'r relyin on a 7 year old for the safety of the toddler.!!!
A resonsible parent woud not rely on a 7 year old to insure that the toddler woud not tumble down the stares.!!!
While I’m at it why don’t I lock the children in separate sterile matted rooms deep underground for the remained of their lives to prevent all harm from coming to them?The gate is a clear an present danger... an a responsible parent will do what ever it takes (even if its inconvienent) to insure that the gate remane closed..!!!
An "alternate route" is irrelevent... you obvously still dont "get-it"... an even if you promised not to pinch slap or whip my 1 an 7 year old i woud still not let you baby set them... because rationalizin you'rself to be rite is mor importent to you than the safety of the children.!!!
Not if the rules are different for adults.
Oh it was earned and justified. I would agree that if your parents were neglectful abusive wastes of human life then you should call them what they are. But I would wager a guess your parents were quite the opposite, as for most people.
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And why should something be ok for an adult and not for a child?
That adults are endowed with rights that they don't have? Later on I would expect them to develop upon that and note adults are not endowed with right but responsibilities that they must keep to or be incarcerated/suffer the consequences, for failure. This may be explained to them at a early age but I don't expect it to sink in until they are older.What does this teach the child?
More like something to be accepted, just like how they let complete idiots vote, a curse of a free society I guess.Swearing is wrong when they do it but fine when an adult does it? Yes, that's really something to respect.
Everyone at one time or another behaves unjustly even if a little, no ones perfect.No it's not about being a 'waste of human life' - merely being consistent with their behaviour. If you behave unjustly you don't deserve respect.
And why should something be ok for an adult and not for a child?ooh lets see, should we let children drive cars, own property, vote, own guns, smoke, drink, etc?
That adults are endowed with rights that they don't have? Later on I would expect them to develop upon that and note adults are not endowed with right but responsibilities that they must keep to or be incarcerated/suffer the consequences, for failure. This may be explained to them at a early age but I don't expect it to sink in until they are older.
More like something to be accepted, just like how they let complete idiots vote, a curse of a free society I guess.
Everyone at one time or another behaves unjustly even if a little, no ones perfect.
There is a difference between not letting children do something because they're not mature enough, and placing adults as superior in a hierarchy just because they're adults.
Sure, everyone behaves unjustly. But doing it as a general rule definitely makes you unworthy of respect.
How about if you look at it this way, does it make sense: "There is a difference between not letting children do something because they're not mature enough, and placing adults as superior in a hierarchy just because they're mature enough."There is a difference between not letting children do something because they're not mature enough, and placing adults as superior in a hierarchy just because they're adults.
Do your parents generally curse at you? If they did you might be alloted to responded to your verbally abusive parents in like.Sure, everyone behaves unjustly. But doing it as a general rule definitely makes you unworthy of respect.