spidergoat
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The Swastika: A Symbol of Goodness or Hate?
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Hitler adopted a symbol of peace and happiness, an Asian religious-spiritual emblem, in a clear case of inversion of meaning.
Like the "Arbeit Mach Frei" signs on the concentration camp entrances for Jewish prisoners. Fascism is quite accomplished at inverting meanings (so it can claim it still means what it did originally when it doesn't).
"Shit happens"... then some poor schmuck gets to clean it up.
Like the "Arbeit Mach Frei" signs on the concentration camp entrances for Jewish prisoners. Fascism is quite accomplished at inverting meanings (so it can claim it still means what it did originally when it doesn't).
"Shit happens"... then some poor schmuck gets to clean it up.
If it's in Native American cultures then one would think it's somehow biological? As if we are prone to drawing this symbol. If so, then perhaps Hitler was more clever than we think. This symbol my have struck a deeper psychological cord with people then we'd first assume and attaching this to an agenda is very manipulative.
I think the same is true of the cross symbol and of course the moon.
I think the same is true of the cross symbol and of course the moon.
or alternatively, a cultural trope picked up from india (as some anthropologists argue)
Hitler directly borrowed the idea from the vedas. IN fact pre-WW2 germany had one of the most developed sanskrit departments in the west (Hitler also borrowed other words from vedic culture like "aryan" .... after applying his own unique flavor to it of course)
People have called me a True Aryan before and gotten into huge trouble for it.
Swastikas remind me of home. I read recently that some native American tribes had it as a religious symbol. Thats incredibly awesome to me.
I found this excellent site on reclaiming the swastika:
http://reclaimtheswastika.com/photos/
Jackie Kennedy in a Navajo costume
The symbol actually predates ALL civilization, it is a complete enigma and one reason it was chosen by Hitler, an occultist.
I do agree with you. Hindu should really shove this symbol in everyone's face, i'm so sick of people pissing and moaning about a symbol. FUCK THEM.
NO NOT BAD. Highjacking a 10000 year old symbol for 20 odd years, does not make it bad!
"Aryan" is something similar to "gentleman" (or a civilized person)
IOW it is a name that is characterized by quality (guna) and activity (karma).... as opposed to birth (janma).
One could find that the chances of being an aryan is greatly increased if one's parents are aryan, much like one could find that one's chances of getting into the legal profession is increased if one's parents are a high court judge ..... but this is hardly sufficient. IOW the position is ultimately determined by quality and action and not birth.
Unfortunately, the caste system has adopted a system based purely on birth, as opposed to quality. This is despite a complete absence of any scriptural reference to occupation in life (varna) being determined by birth (janma), but numerous references to guna and karma
eg
BG 4,13 According to the three modes of material nature and the work associated with them, the four divisions of human society are created by Me.
(guna(quality) -karma(work)-vibhägasah (division) ..... not janma vibhagasah)
Anyway, it's all part of the flavour of the age
SB 12.2(Symptoms of the age of Kali).3: Men and women will live together merely because of superficial attraction, and success in business will depend on deceit. Womanliness and manliness will be judged according to one's expertise in sex, and a man will be known as a brāhmaṇa just by his wearing a thread.
IOW it is a name that is characterized by quality (guna) and activity (karma).... as opposed to birth (janma).
One could find that the chances of being an aryan is greatly increased if one's parents are aryan, much like one could find that one's chances of getting into the legal profession is increased if one's parents are a high court judge ..... but this is hardly sufficient. IOW the position is ultimately determined by quality and action and not birth.
Unfortunately, the caste system has adopted a system based purely on birth, as opposed to quality. This is despite a complete absence of any scriptural reference to occupation in life (varna) being determined by birth (janma), but numerous references to guna and karma
eg
BG 4,13 According to the three modes of material nature and the work associated with them, the four divisions of human society are created by Me.
(guna(quality) -karma(work)-vibhägasah (division) ..... not janma vibhagasah)
Anyway, it's all part of the flavour of the age
SB 12.2(Symptoms of the age of Kali).3: Men and women will live together merely because of superficial attraction, and success in business will depend on deceit. Womanliness and manliness will be judged according to one's expertise in sex, and a man will be known as a brāhmaṇa just by his wearing a thread.
that is the "symbols" meaning. of course we need symbols, for some strange purpose.
spidergoat
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Sorry, it does. At least respect the enemies of fascism and not use it. I agree it's extreme to change this building, the design of which can't be easily seen from the ground. It's like those few people who still insist on using the word "gay" to mean happy. Times change.
from the article referenced in the OP
“Just because Hitler misused the symbol, abused it and used it to propagate a reign of terror and racism and discrimination, it does not mean that its peaceful use should be banned. That would be equivalent to banning the cross simply because the Klu Klux Klan has used burning crosses.”
- Ramesh Kallidai of a hindu union to oppose the banning of the swastika in europe in 2007
spidergoat
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I agree that banning is also extreme. Anyone with a minimum of tact should be sensitive about it's use.
I guess you know that in U.S it is still used by Hindu people. I would say are the only ones who used it prior to Nazi's with regularity anyway or at least where it had any real meaning.
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