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If the expert takes nothing away from it that is fine, but if he refuses to listen and possibly educate the laymen then why the hell did he become a scientist?

Perhaps because he wanted to spend his time and efforts on real research and dealing real problems instead of having to spin his wheels correcting the semi-educated?:D
 
ScottMana said:
Farsight is quite right about that comment on time..

Thanks ScottMana.

TW Scott said:
If the expert takes nothing away from it that is fine, but if he refuses to listen and possibly educate the laymen then why the hell did he become a scientist?
Perhaps because he wanted to spend his time and efforts on real research and dealing real problems instead of having to spin his wheels correcting the semi-educated?:D

And well said TW Scott. And you too Read-Only. Of course, in truth it's a bit of both. And Jeez, I sure am finding it tough trying to correct the semi-educated:

Q said:
Granted, I haven't a bloody clue what you're talking about..
See what I mean?
 
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TWScott said:
If the expert takes nothing away from it that is fine, but if he refuses to listen and possibly educate the laymen then why the hell did he become a scientist?

I am quite fond of explaing things to laymen who wish to hear what I have to say. What I am not fond of is complete fools judging some part of science that they don't understand to be incomplete, and then explaining to ME why everything I have worked so hard to learn in the past few years is wrong.
 
TWScott said:
Don't try to be too haughty. Einstein couldn't find his own way home, but i haven't met a taxi Driver yet who can't tell you the shortest, safest, or quickest ways to where you want to go. I doubt most scientists know the difference between hair styles or how to properly cut someone's hair so it configures itself that way.

Should we have a lesson in context?
 
>> everything I have worked so hard to learn in the past few years is wrong.>>

Well you (we) should get used to it.... its will all be wrong eventually !!!

LOL, hey man that IS science
 
Well you (we) should get used to it.... its will all be wrong eventually !!!

1.) This statement is patently false.
2.) If it is wrong, I don't expect the proof to come from anyone here.
 
There is also no shortage of people on this forum who view him [Ophiolite] as one of the good guys for the most part.
I'll second that!:)

Ophiolite rarely talks anything scientifically enlightening.
I rarely see anything on these forums to be scientifically enlightening about!

When someone comes here asking genuine questions I respond, if it is in a field I am familiar with, with what I aim to be an enlightening and perhaps even entertaining reply. Sadly there are far to few of these opportunities.

When someone comes here with a 'theory' that explains how others are wrong and they have this wonderful new insight I will push, probe, ridicule and offend, (Yes, Farsight the bile is sincere, and the words were chosen with considerable care.) question, challenge, demand and excoriate, until the poster brings some scientific discipline to his utterances.

Singularity said:
So he is a jobless crackpot who hits his noise where it doesnt belong , just to do his and our time waste.
I don't believe working from forty to sixty hours a week for a six figure salary constitutes being jobless, but what do I know? After all I can't even afford a plastic surgeon to give me a noise job!
 
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...When someone comes here with a 'theory' that explains how others are wrong and they have this wonderful new insight I will push, probe, ridicule and offend.. question, challenge, demand and excoriate, until the poster brings some scientific discipline to his utterances...

But what you won't actually do, is actually read what they're saying and engage them in rational open-minded dialogue or focus on the points of issue. Scientific discipline? Don't make me laugh. You belong in a medieval theocracy.
 
Scientific discipline? Don't make me laugh. You belong in a medieval theocracy.
Sounds good. Do they do virgin sacrifices? Could you send me an application form.

Farsight, I have already explained that everything about your posts (and your pretensions) screams out at me pseudoscience. And you want me, despite all of my instincts in the matter, to actually waste time indulging you by reading your material? And then commenting on it critically, only to have you disregard my criticisms as irrelvant, narrowminded, lacking in insight, conservative, unimaginative, etc.
OK. You've annoyed me sufficiently. I'll take your little speculations apart, but please have the good grace at the end of it all to admit publicly you were talking bollocks.
Where should I begin?
 
Farsight said:
But what you won't actually do, is actually read what they're saying and engage them in rational open-minded dialogue or focus on the points of issue.

If there was a rational discussion to be had, then I'm sure Ophiolite would love to engage. To often, however, people who come up with ways to change science as we know it haven't studied the problem in enough detail.

This is the point of the thread: If you want a rational discussion about science, don't start by throwing out everything which has happened in the past 100 years. If you want to talk about science, you shouldn't confuse philosophy and pseudo-science with the real thing, and one shouldn't claim oneself an expert when this clearly isn't thecase.

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And you want me, despite all of my instincts in the matter, to actually waste time indulging you by reading your material? And then commenting on it critically, only to have you disregard my criticisms as irrelvant, narrowminded, lacking in insight, conservative, unimaginative, etc.

This is the inevitable attitude, borne from many discussions with people like Farsight, who refuse to believe that one could think critically about the issues and not come up with their conclusions.
 
Farsight, I have already explained that everything about your posts (and your pretensions) screams out at me pseudoscience. And you want me, despite all of my instincts in the matter, to actually waste time indulging you by reading your material? And then commenting on it critically, only to have you disregard my criticisms as irrelevant, narrowminded, lacking in insight, conservative, unimaginative, etc. OK. You've annoyed me sufficiently. I'll take your little speculations apart, but please have the good grace at the end of it all to admit publicly you were talking bollocks. Where should I begin?

Begin at RELATIVITY+. But follow the logic, not your instincts.

You too Ben.
 
Perhaps because he wanted to spend his time and efforts on real research and dealing real problems instead of having to spin his wheels correcting the semi-educated?:D

Then why does he even participate in the conversations? Does being a real scientist require people to act like little children and disrupt the conversations of adults?
 
Then why does he even participate in the conversations? Does being a real scientist require people to act like little children and disrupt the conversations of adults?

To make an honest attempt now and then to get genuine information out to those who are intelligent enough to want to understand?
 
To make an honest attempt now and then to get genuine information out to those who are intelligent enough to want to understand?

YOU expect ME to believe that? Whoever hasn't seen it, click on Read-Only's name and read his first message.
 
Ben,

I must say that my engineer father has been clipping physics articles out of the literature and sending them to me in ridicule.

For example, how about string theory? Do want to comment on that? I see that you have an interest in it.

And how about this?

philica.com/display_article.php?article_id=40

(cut and paste into browser, as newbies cannot link)

And how about that the universe is supposedly mostly gravitationally repulsive and is experiencing an accelerated expansion?

One could argue that these are no better than the most common pseudoscience.


Andrew A. Gray
 
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