The Devil and Jesus.

Discussion in 'Religion' started by davewhite04, Jun 10, 2019.

  1. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Hitler's goal all along was conquest and war.
    Trump is a wannabe. He uses the same methods but without any of the ability.
     
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  3. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Part of us is always evil. When you have rule of law, a reasonably fair political process and civil discourse in a social unit, the individual evils are kept in check. When the social fabric begins to break down, for whatever reason, an unexpected faction or personality comes to fore, takes on a leadership role and determines the direction in which the society proceeds.
    If that personality is a fomenter of conflict and hate, a sower of discord and chaos, then his political base consists of those who have been kept in check. He gives them permission to express their worst impulses; encourages the worst among them to assume control.
    Collusion with a foreign entity is certainly not a prerequisite, but there is plenty of precedent.
     
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  5. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    What Nazi method is he using?
     
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  7. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Not specifically Nazi method; universal demagogue methods: stirring up and exploiting the frustration of powerless people with baseless promises to redress their grievances. But all that he actually gives them is empowerment to vent their hostility on people weaker than themselves.
     
  8. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Scapegoating.
     
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  9. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    He appears to be keeping his promises, or trying to (with total obstruction from the Democratic Party). It is common practice for politicians to stir up the frustrations of the people, but quite rare for them keep a promise.
     
  10. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    How so? Who is he blaming that isn't actually to blame?
     
  11. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Mexicans.
     
  12. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    What has he accused the Mexicans of doing?
     
  13. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Have you heard the news at all the last couple of years? Why do you think he wants to build a wall to keep them out?
     
  14. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    To protect our border.
     
  15. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    To protect your Mexican border from Mexicans. But why do you need protecting from Mexicans specifically?
     
  16. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    If people are crossing the border illegally at the Mexican border, would you make an effort to protect it. Why do you have locks on your doors?
     
  17. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    False analogy. I don't lock the Mexican door and leave the Canadian door open. Why does Trump discriminate?
     
  18. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    and then
    we have the Cathars
    who would have Jesus becoming part of the devil
    (if i understand what i've read)
     
  19. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    He appears to be carrying out his threats. Most of which are made on the spur of the moment, without any understanding of the consequences.
    What promise has been kept, so far?
    Where, is the resurgent industry?
    Where are the new good-paying jobs?
    Where is the infrastructure?
    How has the swamp of corruption been drained?
    When can we expect the new and much better health care plan?

    What specific bills has he introduced on any of those five major issues that the Democrats have obstructed?

    Both of those statements are true of right-wing parties.
    in no particular order: 1. Obama 2. progressives in general 3. Muslims 4. Hispanics 5. Iran 6. Mueller 7. the news media 8. Clinton 9. climate scientists 10. China 11. the mayor of London 12. his own staff 13. etc. etc. etc.
    Nobody was threatening your border. People whose countries you have rendered unliveable are trying to escape conditions your helped create and give their children a chance at life. They pose no danger to anyone; taking care of them would cost a fraction of the price of all the border-securing measures, walls and prisons.
     
  20. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Can you supply a source? (That doesn't originate from the papacy.)
     
  21. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    see the reaction of the papacy to the
    albagensian heresy/ cathar heresy
    darned bloody
     
  22. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Trump also said he didn't want immigrants from "shithole" countries. Who's border was he protecting in that case?
     
  23. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    I know the reaction of the papacy: they had every man, woman and child slaughtered.
    What I was asking for is the actual Cathar literature that sets out a doctrine or proposition wherein Jesus and Satan merge in some way. That's why I specified a source not originating from the papacy.
    The Norwegians won't come.
    Only the people whose countries the USA, by military invasions, clandestine political meddling, arms sales, resource pillage, industrial waste and economic disruption has turned into shitholes - like all of central and South America. Well, where else would you dig the latrine, if not your "back yard" (per Munroe et al)? The Mid-east, Africa, Asia... ? Yep, latrines with big ol' glories painted on them, everywhere.
     
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