RedStar
The Nazis were capitalists.
The Nazis were Fascists, an unholy alliance between government and capital for the exclusive benefit of them over the people. It has also been called Communism for big business. The Fascist used slave labor, secret police, gestapo and other brutal methods to control the population and workers were "payed" enough to survive as long as they were useful to the Fascists. Those less fortunate(the blind, ill and mentally challenged) were euthanized, it was only a small step to slaughter over 6 million Jews with industrial efficiencies(using their innate antisemitism to fool the people), the gold in their teeth, their hair and any serviceable clothing were just a bonus. Fascists were Capitalist like Communism were Socialist. Again you are conflating the political ideology with the economic one.
Don't try to equate an ideology calling for workers' liberation with an ideology of racial supremacy and genocide. And you basically admitted that capitalism is indeed bloody, so which is less bloody? 1 Billion vs 20 milliion?
Where the hell do you get that idiotic one billion number? I know by the smell where you pulled it from, but your idiocy has gone far enough. Put up or shut up.
Oh, they try to claim that, but Putin was not elected by a majority, he stole the election just as our Republicans are trying to do here. No top down system can ever be called democratic.
It's a sociopolitical idea that has at its foundation Marxist economics. If you've ever actually read works by Marx, or Ernesto Guevara, or V.I. Lenin, you will see that socialism is about alot more than just "economics"
I've read both Marx and Lenin, neither were competent economists and their idealism and dictatorial attitude(Lenin less so)should have convinced any thinking person to not try their ideas. The laboratory of the world justifies that judgement. Communism always led to dictatorship, sloth and failure. It can only be maintained by force and fear(as in Korea)and has fallen of it's own weight, leaving only North Korea as the sole remaining Communist regime(a shining example of what NOT to do). Even Cuba is abandoning this non-functional ideology.
Do you even know what dialectal materialism is?
Yes. It is a crapstorm of inane logic and confusion designed to disguise the idealism of Marxism in the sheep's clothing of materialism. The old saw "If you can't dazzle them with wit, bury them in BS." fits. Trickle Down economics is an equivalently idiotic meme, the idea that all money must first pass through the kidneys of the wealth so they can then produce a "Golden Shower" of largess onto the heads of the pe(e)ons. I call it Tinkle Down. Neither works in the real world.
Right *sigh* try telling that to the victims of American imperialism
You've yet to show any evidence(besides your lying propaganda spiels)of any American Imperialism at all.
While I will agree with you on WW2, even that war was promoted by many groups for the sake of loans and profit. Read Zinn's "A Peoples' History of the United States"
There were many factions in the US, including many prominent supporters of Hitler. Charles Lindbergh and Henry Ford were pro Hitler before the war, and regretted it deeply when the Holocaust became known. Lindbergh was antisemitic(prejudice against Jews was rampant in the US at the time), Ford admired the industrial success of Hitler, not even seeing the horror of his social policy. And war profiteers are a permanent fixture in any political system, even Communism.
Bad as we are, we are better than most powerful nations throughout history in not abusing the power we have and that fact is something we can be proud of.
Except, again, all the numerous times you did. I can provide a list if you'd like, although I already did that.
All we have seen from you is total fabrication, severe ignorance and misunderstanding. All the instances of so-called Imperialism have been disinfected by exposure to historical fact. Try again and we will do the same thing, again.
Can you please elaborate on the failures? I'd like some concrete examples
Every country in the world that were once Communist(except North Korea)are now a mix of Socialism and Capitalism. All of them are examples of the failure of Communism. The USSR-defunct, gone. Communist China-now experiencing the boom that a certain amount of capitalism brings. Vietnam-similar to China. The Baltic states-recovering from the deprivations of the failed Communist USSR. Any of these examples we could discuss in detail, but they all failed, miserably(especially miserable for the peons).
And the correlary is that the most successful countries in terms of the good of the people are the Nordic states(Switzerland, Holland, the Netherlands, Denmark), they are all Socialist Democracies with a healthy dose of Capitalism. They take care of their social needs collectively, but they do not confiscate all the fruits of their labor(as Communism does do), giving incentive to improve with the expectation that they will enjoy the gains of their efforts(something Communism or purer forms of Socialism can not do). Going back to the "economics" of Marx/Lenin, this is the flaw that makes it so much hot air. Ownership by a Capitalist or by a near criminal, corrupt state official is the same thing to any worker, except that the Capitalist will make more money which could, theoretically at least, Tinkle Down on the workers. Capitalism is a economic tool, not an ideology.
How romantic! Except, so many people around the world don't have those rights precisely because of American intervention. Are you forgetting Bolivia, Mexico, Cuba? Just like to ignore the ugly parts of American history, I see?
Bolivia-self governed. Cuba-self governed. Mexico-self governed(they just elected a new President all by themselves). Haven't forgot them, they are just not examples of Imperialism by America(despite your repeated lies). Whatever freedoms they do or do not have is solely their own fault, not ours.
And what's with this "let's just put a human face on capitalism" rubbish? No. Capitalism is inhuman in its very nature. I don't want to regulate and tax the aristocracy, I don't think there should be an aristocracy in the first place. That's the key point.
Capitalism is an economic tool, it has no ideology but greed. A little of it gives incentive to work hard and succeed, too much leads to Fascism. You can not put a human face on Capitalism, it has not one care about humans, it's all about money and wealth. Socialism is it's opposite, it's all about the people and their needs. But it leads to Communism, with power and position in the pecking order becoming the goal. Neither capitalism, nor socialism work when they are too dominate. A balance between the two extremes is required. And whether you want an aristocracy is irrelevant, you will have one. Whether it is the rich Capitalist pig in his Cadillac, or the powerful, corrupt apparatchik in his Zil, the scum always rises to the surface of the pond. It is human nature, hardwired into our DNA. No ideology is going to change that, the best we can do is balance the two extremes for best results, as the Scandinavians have proven so good at. They have shown that with well regulated stirring the scum does not poison the pond. I'm actually much more of a socialist than is the norm in the US today(where the industrialists have made socialism a bad word).
Please watch this video, it's actually a funny and informative satire of anti-communist arguments =)
And it demonstrates exactly the tactics you use against Capitalism. How ironic. It's like the mirror images that are Fascism(total state control in league with the industrialists) and Communism(total state control with the powerful apparatus replacing the industrialists, power replacing money(which is power)). Either ideology leads to the same result as far as the people are concerned.
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