The convenient hypocrisy of Republican Christians

[superstring01]

I suggest you read her comments including the one below. She is against all immigration and has expressed a dislike for immigrants (particularly Latino ones) in a number of posts.

Care to back that up? I've been reading Sandy's posts for a while, and I haven't seen too much negativity (if any) against legal immigration.

I think you're looking to paint Sandy as negatively as possible, and like so many extremists (and Sandy is guilty of this too) you are attempting to exaggerate and make up points about her that just aren't there.

If you want to hate her: fine, go right ahead, but why not back up your claims that she hates LEGAL immigrants ('specially the Latino one's too). I bet you wont.

~String

 

[pjdude1219]

Care to back that up? I've been reading Sandy's posts for a while, and I haven't seen too much negativity (if any) against legal immigration.

I think you're looking to paint Sandy as negatively as possible, and like so many extremists (and Sandy is guilty of this too) you are attempting to exaggerate and make up points about her that just aren't there.

If you want to hate her: fine, go right ahead, but why not back up your claims that she hates LEGAL immigrants ('specially the Latino one's too). I bet you wont.

~String

well i know a while back she stated that the latinos in one of the articles she linked to were illegal even though said article stated the latinos were legal

 

[pjdude1219]

I'm not playing history or what if? I'm talking about NOW. We have a HUGE problem that will destroy this country.

I was born and raised here. So were the last 5 generations of my family. We go way back. We are here legally. We deserve to stay here. We have all contributed greatly to this country. Not stole from it like the parasitic criminal aliens.

like your ancestors stole from the native population. and most people don't consider religious extremism as contributing greatly to the country

 

[superstring01]

well i know a while back she stated that the Latinos in one of the articles she linked to were illegal even though said article stated the Latinos were legal

So, your (and Maxg's) entire argument is based upon a gaff in an article? Huh?

Here's a typical liberal attack: a right-wing person rants against illegal immigration and wants all illegals deported and left-wingers call them a racist. It's nonsense. Sandy, as far as I know, has never preached against the LEGAL form of immigration, no matter where the person is from, and yet the lefties have continuously constructed rhetorical Rube Goldberg machine in the hopes of painting all those who oppose (especially Sandy) as some mouth-frothing minority hating whitey who wants to close the borders and separate mothers from children, which is utter nonsense.

Here's the deal, really simple so all those who keep getting the idea confused can finally get it straight: illegal immigrants no, legal ones yes. Enforce the laws, yes; allow people to circumvent the law and get away with it, no.

Simple.

~String

 

[pjdude1219]

So, your (and Maxg's) entire argument is based upon a gaff in an article? Huh?

Here's a typical liberal attack: a right-wing person rants against illegal immigration and wants all illegals deported and left-wingers call them a racist. It's nonsense. Sandy, as far as I know, has never preached against the LEGAL form of immigration, no matter where the person is from, and yet the lefties have continuously constructed rhetorical Rube Goldberg machine in the hopes of painting all those who oppose (especially Sandy) as some mouth-frothing minority hating whitey who wants to close the borders and separate mothers from children, which is utter nonsense.

Here's the deal, really simple so all those who keep getting the idea confused can finally get it straight: illegal immigrants no, legal ones yes. Enforce the laws, yes; allow people to circumvent the law and get away with it, no.

Simple.

~String

all i was trying to point out is that she is not afraid to contridict her own source if it means going after those she percives to be illegal immagrints. opponets of I.I. never talk about white folk trying to sneak across the borders its all ways the non white folk they bitch about. though i do know most people who try and sneak across the border are non white but still they never talk about canadian illegal imagrents its always mexico. sandy has in the past made statements that with out knowing her seem to be against all immagrents.

 

[superstring01]

like your ancestors stole from the native population. and most people don't consider religious extremism as contributing greatly to the country

So, because our ancestors did something bad, that means we should just abolish the border and let anybody come through who wants to? Do you realize the total destruction this would unleash on ANY nation? OR are you just gullible?

pjdude: we're all descended from people who did terrible things, one doesn't just abolish all control over one's country because their ancestors were despicable people. I beg you to show me how your ancestors did no wrong. This isn't about recognizing the wrongs of the past-- it's about maintaining good order now, the fact that you lack the sensibility to see the difference, and keep the issues separated, is your own shortcoming.

~String

 

[pjdude1219]

So, because our ancestors did something bad, that means we should just abolish the border and let anybody come through who wants to? Do you realize the total destruction this would unleash on ANY nation? OR are you just gullible?

pjdude: we're all descended from people who did terrible things, one doesn't just abolish all control over one's country because their ancestors were despicable people. I beg you to show me how your ancestors did no wrong. This isn't about recognizing the wrongs of the past-- it's about maintaining good order now, the fact that you lack the sensibility to see the difference, and keep the issues separated, is your own shortcoming.

~String

i'm just saying it is kind of sadly ironic when most of us are decendent from people who invaded this land and butchered the native populace and now their decendents are bitching about people coming here to earn a living wage. also the reason i the whole my family deserves to be here comment.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

i'm just saying it is kind of sadly ironic when most of us are decendent from people who invaded this land and butchered the native populace and now their decendents are bitching about people coming here to earn a living wage. also the reason i the whole my family deserves to be here comment.

Just as the native did in their turn, the native oral history is repleat about the one who came before and how they were fought against, and pushed
out of the hunting lands, and as String said;

we're all descended from people who did terrible things, one doesn't just abolish all control over one's country because their ancestors were despicable people. I beg you to show me how your ancestors did no wrong. This isn't about recognizing the wrongs of the past-- it's about maintaining good order now, the fact that you lack the sensibility to see the difference, and keep the issues separated, is your own shortcoming.

 

[superstring01]

I'm just saying it is kind of sadly ironic when most of us are decedent from people who invaded this land and butchered the native populace and now their descendent's are bitching about people coming here to earn a living wage. also the reason i the whole my family deserves to be here comment.

It's not sad-- it's a fact of life.

Again, you're mixing two totally different issues. YES: Americans did take this land, did own slaves (and denied women the right to vote, used child labor, etcetera, etcetera), but the fact is, we're here NOW and there is no reason why we shouldn't regulate and/or demand that people enter in to this land legally.

Yes, it might seem poetic justice, but guess what: THE MEXICANS SLAUGHTERED THE AZTECS. The Spanish slaughtered the Moores. The Moores slaughtered the Visigoths. The Romans slaughtered the Iberians & Celts... and so on and so... and so on, all the way back to the beginning of time.

The fact is, we're here now, the land, for better or worse, is in the possession of American citizens and it is as rightfully theirs as any land on earth is rightfully ANY PERSON'S.

You can't guilt trip a people into NOT taking care of their nation and protecting it from invasion (military or otherwise) by bringing up the sins of the past: if that were our gold standard, then one could justify any misdeed.

Again, my questions to you: do we just dissolve the border and allow the nation to suffer the consequences all because of some burden of guilt for the sins of the past?

~String

 

[superstring01]

I can delete the insults as fast as you can type them.

Enjoy!

~String

 

[maxg]

But you can't still can't read. Look at the damn posts & look at the original thread:
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=68611&highlight=kind+freakshow

But you won't because you really don't care about what was said. Play your power games. And I will ignore you in the future.

 

[superstring01]

But you can't still can't read. Look at the damn posts & look at the original thread:
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=68611&highlight=kind+freakshow

But you won't because you really don't care about what was said. Play your power games. And I will ignore you in the future.

Power games? Huh? All I did was delete posts in which you directly insulted another member-- that, that member happened to be me is inconsequential. Throw a tantrum and I'll erase that tantrum and anything post-worthy it contains.

Control your self and act like a big boy (or girl, or whatever) and the posts can stand.

Note: You could have admonished me about not reading your links and shown your frustration without resorting to the mental fortitude of a toddler. Would that you had shown such temperament and the post(s) would have remained.

~String

PS-- I read your links. The issue has now become your behavior and not what you attempted to show.

 

[pjdude1219]

It's not sad-- it's a fact of life.

Again, you're mixing two totally different issues. YES: Americans did take this land, did own slaves (and denied women the right to vote, used child labor, etcetera, etcetera), but the fact is, we're here NOW and there is no reason why we shouldn't regulate and/or demand that people enter in to this land legally.

Yes, it might seem poetic justice, but guess what: THE MEXICANS SLAUGHTERED THE AZTECS. The Spanish slaughtered the Moores. The Moores slaughtered the Visigoths. The Romans slaughtered the Iberians & Celts... and so on and so... and so on, all the way back to the beginning of time.

The fact is, we're here now, the land, for better or worse, is in the possession of American citizens and it is as rightfully theirs as any land on earth is rightfully ANY PERSON'S.

You can't guilt trip a people into NOT taking care of their nation and protecting it from invasion (military or otherwise) by bringing up the sins of the past: if that were our gold standard, then one could justify any misdeed.

Again, my questions to you: do we just dissolve the border and allow the nation to suffer the consequences all because of some burden of guilt for the sins of the past?

~String

the reason i go after sandy the way i do is because some of her rhetoric and beliefs are quite frankly dangerous like when she says Illegal aliens are sub human.

 

[CharonZ]

Care to back that up? I've been reading Sandy's posts for a while, and I haven't seen too much negativity (if any) against legal immigration.

Well at the very least she repeatedly stated that she is against all kind of immigration. Questions in cases e.g. of specialist immigration or similar things usually get ignored.

 

[superstring01]

Sandy: How do you feel about the legal variety especially in increasing the visas for (no matter the country of origin) specialty fields where there are particular shortages in the USA (certain medical doctors, engineers, astronomers-- which, again, are in short supply here and American's aren't really going after)?

~String

 

[superstring01]

the reason i go after sandy the way i do is because some of her rhetoric and beliefs are quite frankly dangerous like when she says Illegal aliens are sub human.

Again, you avoided my question on illegal immigration. You're as slippery as you claim Sandy to be!

~String

 

[Ganymede]

I want an end to ALL immigration. I want ALL illegal aliens deported COD to wherever the hell they came from. We have enough.

 

[pjdude1219]

Again, you avoided my question on illegal immigration. You're as slippery as you claim Sandy to be!

~String

yes but i do not remember dening i am slippery

 

[Fraggle Rocker]

I DESPISE criminal aliens. They are ruining my country. I want them all gone. Yesterday. I don't care what the hell color/race they are. I want them gone.

How ironic. I feel the same way about Abrahamists. They are ruining my planet.

 

[USS Exeter]

This thread is bs. If I started one called "The convenient hypocrisy of Democrat Atheists" it would be shut down/cesspooled in a heatbeat.

That is because there are no logical credentials proving democratic atheists to be hypocritical. If there is, please tell me!