The Big Bang Theory is the biggest lie in the western world

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" Science around the big bang " Was there such an act. or is it something as projected model of the beginning ?
Like any scientific model, it is a model based on the evidence available.
The incredible power of the BB theory is how it can reasonably and logically, how our first fundamentals came about, the first atomic nuclei, the first elements, the first stars, galaxies, and then reasonably predict with confidence as to what lies ahead.
 
No, no scientists will ever be challenged, the only thing that you all argue about is BSmatics-mathematics, the fact is that mathematics can truly prove everything, and that brutal fact totally destroys its credibility in tryings in unlocking the mysteries of the universe, shame on you all, the real truth is none truly knows nothing about the universe and the universe is so vast that all the evidences we see are all misinterpreted, since none can see the real picture-the picture of the the entire universal reality that we exist in-and that is the truth, my friend, none of you wants to admit.
I am truly sorry that you lack the intellect, the education and the moral fibre to accept that you are a fool. Please stop polluting this forum with your inconsequential delusions. They cast a bad light on the rest of homo sapiens.
 
....:D yeah sure!
Let me then reproduce it for the second time my young scallywag!
https://www.astrosociety.org/publications/a-universe-from-nothing/
A Universe from Nothing
by Alexei V. Filippenko and Jay M. Pasachoff

"Insights from modern physics suggest that our wondrous universe may be the ultimate free lunch.

Adapted from The Cosmos: Astronomy in the New Millennium, 1st edition, by Jay M. Pasachoff and Alex Filippenko, © 2001. Reprinted with permission of Brooks/Cole, an imprint of the Wadsworth Group, a division of Thomson Learning.
Courtesy of AURA/NOAO/NSF.


In the inflationary theory, matter, antimatter, and photons were produced by the energy of the false vacuum, which was released following the phase transition. All of these particles consist of positive energy. This energy, however, is exactly balanced by the negative gravitational energy of everything pulling on everything else. In other words, the total energy of the universe is zero! It is remarkable that the universe consists of essentially nothing, but (fortunately for us) in positive and negative parts. You can easily see that gravity is associated with negative energy: If you drop a ball from rest (defined to be a state of zero energy), it gains energy of motion (kinetic energy) as it falls. But this gain is exactly balanced by a larger negative gravitational energy as it comes closer to Earth’s center, so the sum of the two energies remains zero.

I finally took some time just enough to answer these 100% wrong assumptions which rise from mathematical nonsense that does not exist in the real world, only in the mathematics and nothing more and nothing less.
These answers are answers to all posters on the thread, not just to Paddoboy.

This is another 100% irrefutable evidence why none should trust mathematics and statistics, if this what mathematics and statistics are showing was really true there would not be any universe at all-that's one.

Second, just because the sum of positive and negative energy is 0, it doesn't mean thee is no energy at all, there is always energy and the universe still exists as well as the energy in the universe.
If universe was made from nothing there would not be universe and nothing in the unvierse that exists today would simply not exist, I cannot believe that scientists can trust such total BS-that is not science, it's ideology, just like the mathematics and statistics are ideologies.

Third, this example only proves why mathematicians ans those who work with statistics should be forbidden to do any real science when it comes to the universe and its origins: if you drop a ball from the rest-you said this is a zero energy, obviously it's not zero energy if you can gain kinetic energy and both kinetic energy and gravitational energy should nullify their sums, than there would not be any gravity or kinetic energy to exist-what's wrong with you people.
If there was no energy there would not be any kinetic energy and gravitational energy "colliding"-obviously mathematics is 100% wrong here.

Fourfth; you said that the false vacuum and particles are balanced by gravity-again if that was true-there would not be any universe, because there would not be any energy to create the false vacuum and gravity in the first place-this is the same as matter and antimatter-once they collide everything stops to exist, but not the energy, that annihilation simply transforms into energy of radiation-but the point is you can never have matter and antimatter anhiliating as much as you cannot have false vacuum and particles annihilating with gravity-if this totally wrong assumption with gravity and false vacuum was really true, gravity would at least have some different different value from false vacuum-like matter has different charge compared with antimatter-but this is not the case-mathematics is makinf this up.

Fifth, if this was actually true than electrically neutral atom would never be able to exist, since atom's energy is also 0, but again atom still exists, despite his energy is 0, obviously it's not 0.

The idea of a zero-energy universe, together with inflation, suggests that all one needs is just a tiny bit of energy to get the whole thing started (that is, a tiny volume of energy in which inflation can begin). The universe then experiences inflationary expansion, but without creating net energy.

Again another reason why mathematicians are the biggest liars, so much inflation cannot start without so little energy, so much inflation needs immense quantities of energy; because nothing would ever be created in the universe, neither would universe expand so rapidly-in reality this is simply not possible because no experiment and no direct and no indirect observation has proven such nonsense, all the evidences, all the experiments and all the observations have 100% proven and and non-stop 100% prove that what mathematics say simply is not possible, it's only possible inside the mathematics-and mathematics does not follow reality and real evidences, it's obvious the other way around, evidences follow mathematics-which is totally wrong approach, because you simply adapt those tiny evidences, straws to jusitfy that mathematics is right, and yet is it is dead wrong as always.

Mathematics is not based on reality and on real evidences; mathematics is based on its own reality and on its own so-called evidences which are all created to just succeed that mathematics is right, but the problem is that this is never the case, because what mathematics claims to be proven has NEVER been SHOWN and it's never, ever shown in all the experiments and all the observations-and these are the facts that none wants to talk about.
Mathematics only extends their explanations, although scientists have truly no idea what exactly they proved or disproved/what they have proven or disproven-facts.

What produced the energy before inflation? This is perhaps the ultimate question. As crazy as it might seem, the energy may have come out of nothing! The meaning of “nothing” is somewhat ambiguous here. It might be the vacuum in some pre-existing space and time, or it could be nothing at all – that is, all concepts of space and time were created with the universe itself.

First of all there could be nothing at all-that's the fact, something that does not exist cannot create something that exists-fact, and you will not find this anywhere in the universe, on all levels (from quantum levels to macroscopic levels).
Something that has dimensions cannot exist and expand in nothing that has no dimensions at all!

Space and time are not created in the universe, since what really gravity affacts are trajectories and distances between cosmic objects-if gravity waves were correct than the entire world would simply stretch and contract and everything in it-again this is not the case anwhere in the world or the universe-but even if this was the case-these gravity waves and all thes fields exist in space, so in the universe there is no such thing as space, since you have all kinds of energy fields and matter everywhere in the universe-facts.

And I must add the fact that true space cannopt be detected by anything because it doesn't interact with anything, if is not any substance it is not made of anything-when physicists have done all those experiments with gravitational influences on space and time that suppossedly so-called "proved" that space and time are influenced by gravity-they were detecting interactions with energy fields-true space does not interact with anything since it is absolutely 100% empty, the very fact that there were interactions shown in all those experiments, 100% proves that I'm right when I'm posting here that experiments have proven that gravity/gravitational effects do not affect space in any way on any level in an form and in any etc., because true space cannot be interacted by anything since it is 100% empty and cannot and does not interact with energy, matter, energy fields, all forms of waves including gravity waves and everything else.

All those waves interact with energy fields, matter and etc. they do not interact with something that is 100% empty and does not contain anything and it is not made of anything-that's a key difference between true space and space that physicists are talking about-the pseudo-space that physicists are talking about is made of energy matter, energy fields or whatever, and does interact with everything in the universe, but true space which is absolutely 100% empty does not interact with anything, and the universal pseudo-space exists in true space-facts.

Because even if everything of the following is true (but it's not true at all, it's pure mathematical lie), you cannot have something to be created, exist and expand if there is nothing where it can be created, exist and expand in the first place!
It's like examples with electrically neutral atom and matter and antimatter annihiliation that I posted above as examples why such reasoning is not based on science and it is not based on scientific evidences, but on mathematical pseudo-wonderworld of fiction and fantasy.

It's so obvious that physicists are 100% wrong, and that their mathematics is BS.
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....:D yeah sure!
Let me then reproduce it for the second time my young scallywag!
https://www.astrosociety.org/publications/a-universe-from-nothing/
Quantum theory, and specifically Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle, provide a natural explanation for how that energy may have come out of nothing. Throughout the universe, particles and antiparticles spontaneously form and quickly annihilate each other without violating the law of energy conservation. These spontaneous births and deaths of so-called “virtual particle” pairs are known as “quantum fluctuations.” Indeed, laboratory experiments have proven that quantum fluctuations occur everywhere, all the time. Virtual particle pairs (such as electrons and positrons) directly affect the energy levels of atoms, and the predicted energy levels disagree with the experimentally measured levels unless quantum fluctuations are taken into account.

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That's another, unprovable fairy tale just like dark matter, dark energy, inflation and etc, which means it's unprovable, Heck even the existence of all particles is unprovable, they are only models-but you cannot actually see these particles in the experiments so you can actually study them.


That was first, now the second, these so called deaths and births of virtual particles are nothing real, the only thing that is true here is that you detect energy levels and that's about it-you do not detect and observe particles and study their physical and chemica properties in the first place-so how can you say their existence is 100% proven or proven in any other way????

Again how mathematicians are making these assumptions to be facts, and yet no experiment has even shown that virtual particles exist, and can never prove their existence in the first place-the only REAL thing that physicists have detected in all those laboratory experiments are the energy fluctuations and nothing more and nothing else, but than mathematics and statistics than sell fairy tales how they hav detected energy from nothing-first if you detect energy or energy fluctutations than it is not energy from nothing, it's simply energy fluctuations, if there was nothing there would not be any energy to detect in the first place-although as I have proven above that does not mean there is no energy, of course on the contrary there is always energy, it doesn't mean if we detect it or not, if we detect it, it's simply active, and it's passive if there is no detection.


Perhaps many quantum fluctuations occurred before the birth of our universe. Most of them quickly disappeared. But one lived sufficiently long and had the right conditions for inflation to have been initiated. Thereafter, the original tiny volume inflated by an enormous factor, and our macroscopic universe was born. The original particle-antiparticle pair (or pairs) may have subsequently annihilated each other – but even if they didn’t, the violation of energy conservation would be minuscule, not large enough to be measurable.


Again, another reason why mathematicians are not scientists at all, they are just fairy tellers, as I have posted above in this post; the fact is that this is just another case of matter and antimatter, matter and antimatter annihilate each other, but energy despite the it is 0, still exists in the form of radiation, since this is exactly what happens when matter and antimatter do when they anihiliate each other, also electrically neutral atoms prove that there is always energy even if it's 0-it's called potential energy, obviously there are excietations of energy fields everywhere in the universe which are all unstable, which are all responsible for the creations of particles and antiparticles and their annihillitations.


If this admittedly speculative hypothesis is correct, then the answer to the ultimate question is that the universe is the ultimate free lunch! It came from nothing, and its total energy is zero, but it nevertheless has incredible structure and complexity. There could even be many other such universes, spatially distinct from ours".
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As speculative as that above is, it is based on current research and knowledge that you keep ignorantly rejecting.


Obviously you are the one who rejects everything what are real evidences and accepts everything what are mathematical and statistical pseudo-evidences.
 
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Alex and WriteW4;
What you both say is correct.
We have seen quite a few others who will go nameless, that start crusades against science in general, and cosmology in particular, all at least imo pushing an obvious agenda: I believe Gravage is among the same lot, despite his words supposedly condemning religion/god.
The reasons I say this is obvious throughout my posts in this thread.....
[1] They all inevitable reject it with such great authority.

Everyone has the right to question and criticize all hypotheses, if hypotheses are not based on real evidences, but mathematical superstition, the problem that people like you have is that you accept everything what you are told, without even checking for anything and to actually see how much really is proved, and not mathematically pseudo-proved.

[2] They mostly don't just dislike a certain premise of science, it's always the whole kit and caboodle of science in general and cosmology in particular.
[3] They all exclusively are uncredentialled, unqualified and obviously simple lay people.

I'm definitely not lay I work 12 hours per day, this is why I could not post answers so far, and this is why I cannot give answers to all posts, because I do not have enough time to waste for anything, let alone for blind and religious people like yourselves.
Obviously it's all of you who are not working at all, you are just lazy persons in love with their religion of the Big Bang.

[4] They all have a poor grasp of what it is they are rejecting.
[5] They all reject reputable links as "pop science" or similar.

Interesting everything what is discediting and beating Big Bang hypothesis is declared to be pop science.

It is a well known fact that science in general has over the years, pushed back continually, the need for invoking some magical deity to explain what science is unable to explain. Ancient man of course saw deities in Mountains, the Sun, Moon etc, because they were unable to explain what we today take for granted.
So much so that today we can literally describe the Universe reasonably accurately from that first microsecond, right up to today and predict with reasonable assurance what will happen in eons to come.
For that reason, I believe that Gravage has approached his crusade by keeping his mythical beliefs closeted: Others have tried the same ploy.
They then focus on certain areas where science is either not so sure, or areas where we are completely ignorant of, along with that religiously inspired "prove it!" demand.
I believe his recent rhetoric dipped in insults and obvious angst, shows I have uncovered his crusade and the ploy he has undertaken.

I cannot believe that you are actually saying this BS, it is you who believes so much in the Big Bang hypothesis, not me, you are blinded with faith and mathematical religion as so-called "evidence", you are the one who is claiming that the Big Bang is proven in all of is parts, again not me, what I'm saying is the fact that you know nothing about anything, and the fact you are all lost mathematical equations which "prove" everything that is shown in experiments, proves how religious you are, personally I truly like, the Big Bang hypothesis, but the problem is it is based on unprovable hypotheses like inflation, dark matter and dark energyx, than totally wrong interpretations that net energy of the universe is 0, than you don't need energy to do anything-I mean this is total and absolute witchcraft, not science.

Mathematics is not based on reality and on real evidences; mathematics is based on its own reality and on its own so-called evidences which are all created to just succeed that mathematics is right, but the problem is that this is never the case, because what mathematics claims to be proven has NEVER been SHOWN and it's never, ever shown in all the experiments and all the observations-and these are the facts that none wants to talk about.
Mathematics only extends their explanations, although scientists have truly no idea what exactly they proved or disproved/what they have proven or disproven-facts.

Than misinterpretation of gravity probe be experiments about space and time and similar, you only believe what matehamtics says and "proves".
 
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I finally took some time just enough to answer these 100% wrong assumptions which rise from mathematical nonsense that does not exist in the real world.
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That's another, unprovable fairy tale just like dark matter, dark energy, inflation and etc, which means it's unprovable,
Than misinterpretation of gravity probe be experiments about space and time and similar, you only believe what matehamtics says and "proves".


:D:rolleyes:
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Arguing with a mindset of absolutism on any ology stagnates the mind .

I wonder what all the greats in science would think in our day and age of science ?

Appalled no doubt .
 
I'm definitely not lay I work 12 hours per day, this is why I could not post answers so far, and this is why I cannot give answers to all posts, because I do not have enough time to waste for anything, let alone for blind and religious people like yourselves.
Well thank you for taking your time to try and say something.
I would suggest that you have as yet not proved any points at all.
You rant and express your opinion but you have yet to prove anything you have said.
You must understand just because you "feel" something and are passionate about what you believe in that does not mean you have proved anything.
Make your point then offer some reasoning and evidence in support rather than just rant.
Read all you have written it is just a rant.
Ranting will not earn you respect.
Alex
 
Arguing with a mindset of absolutism on any ology stagnates the mind .

I wonder what all the greats in science would think in our day and age of science ?

Appalled no doubt .
I could hazard a guess, but you would get rather emotional being confronted with the facts.....;)
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The greats would be appalled .
Probably, and good reason why you need to remove your blinkers river......:rolleyes:
Obviously they would be rather happy though that this nonsense thread is in its proper category, that of pseudoscience.... :smile:
 
I would suggest that you have as yet not proved any points at all.
Read all you have written it is just a rant.
Ranting will not earn you respect.
Alex
I have a feeling the nature of his rants, and the total incredible quackery and nonsense contained therein, seems to show he is maybe just playing games.
Someone totally ignorant of the scientific method, totally ignorant of the BB, and just about all issues he has commented on, really show a child like game, and to see just how much goading he is able to do.
Two obvious issues that highlight his total ignorance is his often use of the word "proof " or "prove it" :) [And even though told about it, he keeps on using it.....
The other is his imagining the BB as an explosion... :) and although informed that this is also wrong, he continues on his merry way.
I believe actually, that like Sylvester nd his many many hypotheticals re cosmology, that he should really be totally ignored....It does appear to be playing into his hands I suggest. :)
At least the thread/his thread was moved into the appropriate sections in reasonably quick time.
 
The greats would have been appalled because they never of their theories in terms of absolutism .

Where as most do .
 
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