The Arrogance of Ignorance

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IXL777

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The Arrogance of Ignorance

Arrogance comes in a variety of forms. The arrogance of great wealth, the arrogance of great power, the arrogance of great beauty, and the arrogance of a great master are bearable because they rest on an acknowledged and measurable base. The arrogance of ignorance, however, is unbearable because it is rooted in smug satisfaction with being isolated from the facts of the case. The anti-evolution plank in the platform of Christian fundamentalism, is a classic example of the arrogance of know-nothings.....why do so many arrogant immature people on this forum set themselves up as Gurus?.....where do they get their authority from?DOES ANYONE ELSE ON THIS FORUM FEEL THE SAME WAY AS I DO?
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Originally posted by IXL777
DOES ANYONE ELSE ON THIS FORUM FEEL THE SAME WAY AS I DO?
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Arrogance comes in a variety of forms.
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Agree

The arrogance of great wealth, the arrogance of great power, the arrogance of great beauty, and the arrogance of a great master are bearable because they rest on an acknowledged and measurable base.
No.
With the passible excaption of a great master.

The arrogance of ignorance, however, is unbearable because it is rooted in smug satisfaction with being isolated from the facts of the case. The anti-evolution plank in the platform of Christian fundamentalism, is a classic example of the arrogance of know-nothings.....
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I'd be hard-pressed to agree more.


why do so many arrogant immature people on this forum set themselves up as Gurus?.....where do they get their authority from?
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I haven't seen that on this forum any more often or any worse than in the rest of the world.
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one_raven..You must of had discussions on this forum when you must of thought........."Where does that person get his authority from..straight out of school ,no experience or qualifications..
 
Of course I have.
More than a few times.
But no more than I have had in real life.

I think ignorance is perhaps the greatest breeder of arrogance.

I am just saying that it is no worse or more concentrated here than what I have experienced outside of here.

Maybe your experiences in the real world have been more positive and fulfilling than mine.
 
quote:Maybe your experiences in the real world have been more positive and fulfilling than mine.

I agree with you on this point ,the real world is full of negativism, but it is that same negativism which comes on to this forum and sets itself up as an "authority"..where do they get their authority from if they had no experience of life and have not been fully educated?.
 
Wander why you started this thread :rolleyes:

Check your PM's IXL777

The anti-evolution plank in the platform of Christian fundamentalism, is a classic example of the arrogance of know-nothings
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Yes, this is the classic case of arrogance. It's also the funniest.

why do so many arrogant immature people on this forum set themselves up as Gurus?
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Not trying to start something, but maybe you could answer this one with your first hand experience

where do they get their authority from?
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Please difine what context you are using the word Authority. There's a difference between authority and local knowledge.

DOES ANYONE ELSE ON THIS FORUM FEEL THE SAME WAY AS I DO?
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Yes :rolleyes:

"Where does that person get his authority from..straight out of school ,no experience or qualifications..
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Are you ignorant of your arrogance? Please read what you have said and take notes, puh-lease!

where do they get their authority from if they had no experience of life and have not been fully educated?.
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Here we go again. No-one, I repeat no-one is fully educated. No-one knows everything about everything thus no-one can be fully educated. As I've already said, a piece of paper does not give anyone authority over anybody else unless you're applying for work, but that's it.
Who's to say they haven't got experience. I myself have had a rather shitty life, not the normal 'Oh I'm a teenager and everything is shit!' I mean a really shitty life. I have learnt alot from it and I can say I am a better person for it. Age does not bring wisdom. Experience brings wisdom, as does a super computer implanted into your brain.

I hope I've made my point clear.
 
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Wander why you started this thread :rolleyes:

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Thor , you are the sort of person I am talking about , 2 minutes into a thread and through your arrogance..you are setting yourself up as an authority..again I repeat.where do you get your authority from as a teenager ...and you havn't truely started your education
I do not want this thread to deteriorate through your arrogance!

quote: Age does not bring wisdom. Experience brings wisdom, as does a super computer implanted into your brain.


Age is experience.....without aging you do not get experience, so that is a falsehood deception ,non sequiter......and you have many other falsehoods and non sequiter in many of your arguments.....
 
Thor , you are the sort of person I am talking about
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I thought as much :rolleyes:

Again check you damn PM's!

2 minutes into a thread and through your arrogance..you are setting yourself up as an authority
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Explain to me how I am, I honestly want to know. I have just stated my opinions, if that is setting myself up as an authority I'll just become a robot, is that what you want, a robot to push around?

where do you get your authority from as a teenager ...and you havn't truely started your education
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It doesn't even matter if I am a teenager or not. And what does education have to do with it? You're obsessed with education just because you have a PhD! If that isn't setting yourself up as an authority I don't know what is! Okay then, if eductaion means so much to you I guess I could be more knowledgable in Psychology, computing, English Law, Archery, Philosophy of Religion and Bible Studies than you. Is that what you want? A place where just because I have a few pieces of paper I instantly become better than everyone else?? That's a moronic point of view in my opinion!
Someone else may not have done Psychology at college or university but they could be damn smart and know a lot more about it than me through learning from other sources. There is more sources to knowledge than damned courses at school/college/uni

Although there is no clear definition of intellegence, people have tried to narrow it down to "An inferred characteristic of an individual, usually difined as the ability to profit from experience, acquire knowledge, think abstractly, or adapt to changes in the environment."

I do not want this thread to deteriorate through your arrogance!
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We have no problem with this, you've just got the ball rolling. I just want a debate where I can state my opinions.

Age is experience.....without aging you do not get experience, so that is a falsehood deception ,non sequiter......and you have many other falsehoods and non sequiter in many of your arguments.....
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I don't know where you got this from but that is a very closed minded view. Experience can come from a whole wealth of things, not just age. It depends on the life, not how long it has lasted. if you want proof, you don't have to be smart to become old, nor do you become old to be smart.

Experience comes from how you've lived your life and what you have learnt from it.

Your turn
 
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Age is experience.....without aging you do not get experience, so that is a falsehood deception ,non sequiter......and you have many other falsehoods and non sequiter in many of your arguments.....
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Not necessarily true.
Someone at seventeen could very easily have had more life experiences, wisdom and character building experiences, than someone at seventy.

The more time you have to experience things the more opportunity you have to gain wisdom, however, what is important is if you take advantage of those experiences.

As for schooling, if anything, it detracts from someone's ability to gain wisdom because a.) the school is a sheltered, closed and very controlled environment in which people learn from those that have spent most of their lives in that same environment and teach what they have learned and b.) people that are having information spoon fed to them often consider that gained knowledge and that creates an arrogenace that keeps them from learning in real life and learning from those that do NOT have an accepted degree in this subject or that.

Simple knowledge learned from a book does not equate to experience OR wisdom.

It equates to no more than simple knowledge that, if used wisely, can facilitate functioning and understanding during time spent gaining experience and acquiring wisdom.
It's a shame that most people don't use it wisely.
 
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At one point in your life you should realize that you do not know anything. And probably never will.
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Spurious , I want a proper discussion on this, where does a teenager get their authority and eperience?many threads deteriorate through arrogance and ignorance.

quote:Simple knowledge learned from a book does not equate to experience OR wisdom.

No nowledge is ever simple , knowledge is power...your line of thought is a non -sequiter....

quote:Someone at seventeen could very easily have had more life experiences, wisdom and character building experiences, than someone at seventy.

This is the sort of ignorance I am talking about...onother falsehood non sequiter, you are not even looking at reality!
By saying what you have just said is not a truism so therefore you are setting yourself as an authority through falsehood deception , non sequiter!wisdom is earned through life's suffering, not 5 minutes of suffering

quote thor:I could be more knowledgable in Psychology, computing, English Law, Archery, Philosophy of Religion and Bible Studies than you.......
There you go again arrogance.....I did a PhD in Philosophy..and as far as religion is concerned I AM AN AUTHORTY IN MY COUNTRY....so therfore again you are quoting falsehood , deception nonsequiter through your arrogance and ignorance....
arrogance and ignorance are based on pride , false intellectual thought patterns , and vanity negative emotional thought patterns which tally's up with your short life of suffering....
think before you speak.....
 
i'm quite serious. I do not believe in knowledge, and I do not crave for power. I am too submissive for that.

It all doesn't really matter in the end anyway.
 
Yes! That is what I was going to put when I saw what had been written, One_raven and Thor.

Experience is not dependent on age. I don't know how someone could even think such a thing! Someone who lives a sheltered life will not be as experienced as someone who hasn't lived a sheltered life. Surely this is obvious!

Strange how you are accusing everyone else of being arrogant. Have you ever considered that it could be you IXL??

And as for you assuming you are better educated than anyone else here, I would be interested to hear your veiws on a variety of topics...!

Just out of interest, were you aware of the extent of sexual, ab-use in this country, and the extent to which the Laws in this country allow it?
 
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i'm quite serious. I do not believe in knowledge, and I do not crave for power. I am too submissive for that.

It all doesn't really matter in the end anyway.
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Its not power I am talking about its arrogance and ignorance and where do they get their authority from?Many threads are spoilt because people come in with their innane comments and then of course the thread deteriorates through the archetypal battle of pride......no side gives way.......if you do not believe in knowledge why are you taking a PHd ...and maybe you would like to tell Thor how hard taking a PhD IS...TO HIM BECAUSE HE LIVES IN A WORLD OF FALSEHOOD JUST CALLS IT A BIT OF PAPER.....see arrogance and ignorance
 
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Originally posted by IXL777
quote:Simple knowledge learned from a book does not equate to experience OR wisdom.

No nowledge is ever simple , knowledge is power...your line of thought is a non -sequiter....

quote:Someone at seventeen could very easily have had more life experiences, wisdom and character building experiences, than someone at seventy.

This is the sort of ignorance I am talking about...onother falsehood non sequiter, you are not even looking at reality!
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OK.
Person 1: someone who has spent their entire life in the lap of luxury, had faced no finacial hardships, no emotional tragedies to speak of and never ventured outside their own pampered lifestyle into the lives and worlds of other cultures, lifestyles and difficulties.
Everything they have learned comes from books, lectures and teachers that TELL them what the world is about.
He earns his PhD in whatever dicipline (doesn't matter) and retires at age 60 to float in his pool in the backyard till he dies.

Person 2: 26 years old. Grew up poor on the street. Decides NOT to go to college. Reads all the same books as our PhD up there, plus many books on OTHER subjects. Packs a bag to hitchhike across Europe and learn about different cultures first hand. Meets many different people from many different walks of life and cultures. Lives in different difficult situations. Spends a few nights in jail here and there.

Who has had richer life experiences?
Who (if both are equally intelligent and open minded) is more wise?
Who is more apt to handle different situations in life and adapt?

If you think the PhD has had more valuable character building experiences and gained more wisdom and insight into life then I think YOU are the deluded and arrogant one.

A university degree proves only ONE thing.
You went to a University.
 
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OK.
If you think the PhD has had more valuable character building experiences and gained more wisdom and insight into life then I think YOU are the deluded and arrogant one.


Onother falsehood non sequiter......I have experienced all of these:a bag to hitchhike across Europe and learn about different cultures first hand. Met many different people from many different walks of life and cultures. Lived in different difficult situations.
Also I have served in the army seen action , death, misery, tuaught maladjusted kids from poor backrounds, helped with soup kitchens...and had to obtain a PHd whilst trying to support a family........
now do you see where ignorance comes in, linked to falsehood non sequiter...
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I have experienced all of these:a bag to hitchhike across Europe and learn about different cultures first hand. Meets many different people from many different walks of life and cultures. Lives in different difficult situations.
Also I have served in the army seen action , death, misery, tuaught maldjusted kids from poor backrounds, helped with soup kitchens...and had to obtain a PHd whilst trying to support a family........
now do you see where ignorance comes in, linked to falsehood non sequiter...
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I am not talking specifically about YOU and YOUR experiences you arrogant son of a bitch.

I am saying that what a formal education offers by way of character and wisdom pales in comparison to what people can gain from real-life experience.

I am saying that a soldier knows what it feels like to be in a trench a hell of a lot better than someone who read about it in their history book.

I am saying that a PhD alone does not prove anything more than the owner went to school and studied A GREAT DEAL on a particular subject.
It doesn't imply wisdom, experience, character, virtue, authority, intelligence, well-roundedness or anything else for that matter.

Yes. You have a PhD. We are all fully aware of that.
Congratulations.
Bully for you!!

I honestly could give a shit less.
It tells me nothing about you.

I have known high school drop outs that are incredibly more intelligent and wise than PhD's that I have known.
I have also known some PhD's that are quite wise and I look up to.

The PhD (or ANY OTHER DEGREE) means nothing to me.
Apparently it means everything to YOU, however.
 
You seem to have done a lot IXL. Didn't you also have to support your parents??

Why did you have to obtain the Ph.D?? Didnt you even consider that might cause a neglect of the family?
 
quote:I am not talking specifically about YOU and YOUR experiences you arrogant son of a bitch...well who else are discussing educational qualifications...

here we go again a thread is about to deteriorate through arrogance and ignorance.........I will repeat:I have experienced all of these:a bag to hitchhike across Europe and learn about different cultures first hand. Met many different people from many different walks of life and cultures. Lived in different difficult situations.
Also I have served in the army seen action , death, misery, tuaught maladjusted kids from poor backrounds, helped with soup kitchens...and had to obtain a PHd whilst trying to support a family........
now do you see where ignorance comes in, linked to falsehood non sequiter...
A PhD is only one part of the story..you didn't take into account my suffering as a soldier, my compassion in teaching maladjusted children,my social outlook to other people from different langugaes and cultures...and the suffering of trying to improve ones intellect whilst supporting a family..
That is experience, knowledge and authority, based on Truth , reality and Love.
 
and the suffering of trying to improve ones intellect whilst supporting a family..
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Oh, and you couldn't do this from within the family?? Like people have been saying (and what you can't seem to understand), there is more to life than certificates, and more can be learnt through living than books etc alone.

You could probably learn a lot about yourself, if you spend enough time trying to get to know people, instead of seeing courses as the only worthwhile education. And what do you do with this Ph.D. You're a doctor of Philosophy then?? In what way do you use it??

So when did you support your parents during all this time??
 
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