Static Energy?Electricity?

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KUMAR5

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Hello,
Greetings!!

I read about these aspects:

The triboelectric effect (also known as triboelectric charging) is a type of contact electrification in which certain materials become electrically charged after they come into frictional contact with a different material.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triboelectric_effect
Static electricity is an imbalance of electric charges within or on the surface of a material. The charge remains until it is able to move away by means of an electric current or electrical discharge. Static electricity is named in contrast with current electricity,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Static_electricity

Electrostatic discharge materials (ESD materials)
ESD materials are generally subdivided into categories with related properties: Anti-Static, Conductive, and Dissipative..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic_discharge_materials
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I want to know:

Can this type of energy stay in a specific material for long time and if can, will it anyway express information about materials used to create it? I mean, can static energy tell about materials or secure their properties, used to create it?

Thanks.
 

Non-covalent interactions [3] are critical in maintaining the three-dimensional structure of large molecules, such as proteins and nucleic acids. In addition, they are also involved in many biological processes in which large molecules bind specifically but transiently to one another (see the properties section of the DNA page). These interactions also heavily influence drug design, crystallinity and design of materials, particularly for self-assembly, and, in general, the synthesis of many organic molecules.[1][4][
Hydrogen bonding[edit]

A hydrogen bond (H-bond), is a specific type of interaction that involves dipole-dipole attraction between a partially positive hydrogen atom and a highly electronegative, partially negative oxygen, nitrogen, sulfur, or fluorine atom (not covalently bound to said hydrogen atom). It is not a covalent bond, but instead is classified as a strong non-covalent interaction. It is responsible for why water is a liquid at room temperature and not a gas (given water's low molecular weight). Most commonly, the strength of hydrogen bonds lies between 0 - 4 kcal/mol, but can sometimes be as strong as 40 kcal/mol[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-covalent_interactions [/quote]

Static or electrostatic energy/electricity is a part on Non-covalent interaction and many on energy based but still unclear healing systems may be based on this theory...so need to be explored.
 
Sorry, I am not getting any response in this forum. Is it wrong forum for it and should I change or also post in Physics.. forum. Pls guide.
 
I noted that this subject was also discussed previously in this forum. But most discuusions were out of topic. I shall not insist, but if want to discuss again with new understandings, pls continue. Tap water has high conductivity abut distilled water has quite low and that is because 100% pure water id difficult to get. Lesser conductive and insulating matterials should have high potential to hold charge for long time. Charge in any other type of material is secured any way and not allowed to discharge, should also stay for long time.
 
KUMAR5 said:
Hello,
Greetings!!

I read about these aspects:



I want to know:

Can this type of energy stay in a specific material for long time and if can, will it anyway express information about materials used to create it? I mean, can static energy tell about materials or secure their properties, used to create it?

Thanks.
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I don't see how that could be possible.
 
KUMAR5 said:
I noted that this subject was also discussed previously in this forum. But most discuusions were out of topic. I shall not insist, but if want to discuss again with new understandings, pls continue. Tap water has high conductivity abut distilled water has quite low and that is because 100% pure water id difficult to get.
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Pure water has a low conductivity because there are very few ions to conduct electricity.
Lesser conductive and insulating matterials should have high potential to hold charge for long time. Charge in any other type of material is secured any way and not allowed to discharge, should also stay for long time.
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True.
 
KUMAR5 said:
Non-covalent interactions [3] are critical in maintaining the three-dimensional structure of large molecules, such as proteins and nucleic acids. In addition, they are also involved in many biological processes in which large molecules bind specifically but transiently to one another (see the properties section of the DNA page). These interactions also heavily influence drug design, crystallinity and design of materials, particularly for self-assembly, and, in general, the synthesis of many organic molecules.[1][4][
Hydrogen bonding[edit]

A hydrogen bond (H-bond), is a specific type of interaction that involves dipole-dipole attraction between a partially positive hydrogen atom and a highly electronegative, partially negative oxygen, nitrogen, sulfur, or fluorine atom (not covalently bound to said hydrogen atom). It is not a covalent bond, but instead is classified as a strong non-covalent interaction. It is responsible for why water is a liquid at room temperature and not a gas (given water's low molecular weight). Most commonly, the strength of hydrogen bonds lies between 0 - 4 kcal/mol, but can sometimes be as strong as 40 kcal/mol[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-covalent_interactions

Static or electrostatic energy/electricity is a part on Non-covalent interaction and many on energy based but still unclear healing systems may be based on this theory...so need to be explored.
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Hydrogen bonding is very interesting, but it is not entirely ionic in nature. There is a relationship to the "lone pairs" on oxygen which is directional, which a bond due solely to ionic interaction would not be.

But from your last sentence I have a horrible feeling all this is a preamble to another bogus argument for homeopathy. If that happens, this thread will go straight to pseudoscience of course.
 
exchemist said:
But from your last sentence I have a horrible feeling all this is a preamble to another bogus argument for homeopathy. If that happens, this thread will go straight to pseudoscience of course.
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I agree, the 'healing system' comment sounded pretty weird.
 
KUMAR5 said:
I noted that this subject was also discussed previously in this forum. But most discuusions were out of topic. I shall not insist, but if want to discuss again with new understandings, pls continue. Tap water has high conductivity abut distilled water has quite low and that is because 100% pure water id difficult to get. Lesser conductive and insulating matterials should have high potential to hold charge for long time. Charge in any other type of material is secured any way and not allowed to discharge, should also stay for long time.
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Water will rapidly discharge any static build-up, even distilled water. Don't forget the amount of charge separation even at high voltages, is very small. So water will not, let us say, retain any "memory" of substances that were in it previously.

OK?
 
exchemist said:
Water will rapidly discharge any static build-up, even distilled water. Don't forget the amount of charge separation even at high voltages, is very small. So water will not, let us say, retain any "memory" of substances that were in it previously.
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Thanks. Repeating. I think, such energy can be stored as per Capicitor model, probably only model for electric storage. Dielectric is very important for it.
 
exchemist said:
Hydrogen bonding is very interesting, but it is not entirely ionic in nature. There is a relationship to the "lone pairs" on oxygen which is directional, which a bond due solely to ionic interaction would not be.

But from your last sentence I have a horrible feeling all this is a preamble to another bogus argument for homeopathy. If that happens, this thread will go straight to pseudoscience of course.
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It is for exploring science. and for better understanding force/energy in non covalent bonds and its storage, may be by capacitor model. May it be for any.
 
KUMAR5 said:
It is for exploring science. and for better understanding force/energy in non covalent bonds and its storage, may be by capacitor model. May it be for any.
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Water is readily ionised and will rapidly discharge any accumulated static charge it comes into contact with. So useless as a dielectric. If you want to store energy in a capacitor, you need a good insulator to act as dielectric.

So why are you interested in water in this connection?
 
exchemist said:
Water is readily ionised and will rapidly discharge any accumulated static charge it comes into contact with. So useless as a dielectric. If you want to store energy in a capacitor, you need a good insulator to act as dielectric.

So why are you interested in water in this connection?
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Btw, whether water is a non covalent bond? It is indicated in that link. I am not interested in water but is in static Electricity and it's storage. Suppose water is in a glass/Dielctiac bottle then static energy in water or any other liquid can be stored in glass bottle or in its glass acting as dielectric between water and air?
 
exchemist said:
Water is readily ionised and will rapidly discharge any accumulated static charge it comes into contact with. So useless as a dielectric. If you want to store energy in a capacitor, you need a good insulator to act as dielectric.

So why are you interested in water in this connection?
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I know very little on the subject, but have read that old iron smelters would make excellent large capacity electric storage models to store excess electric waste (loss) from powerlines, which are active 24 hr per day but at night only use a fraction of available energy which becomes lost, unless stored.
 
KUMAR5 said:
Btw, whether water is a non covalent bond? It is indicated in that link. I am not interested in water but is in static Electricity and it's storage. Suppose water is in a glass/Dielctiac bottle then static energy in water or any other liquid can be stored in glass bottle or in its glass acting as dielectric between water and air?
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So why post a paragraph on the bonding in water, then?

Glass makes a good dielectric. In fact the first ever capacitor was the Leyden Jar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leyden_jar
 
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