Star Wars vs Star Trek

Which universe would win?

  • Star Trek

    Votes: 227 35.5%
  • Star Wars

    Votes: 268 41.9%
  • Spaceballs

    Votes: 47 7.3%
  • Farscape

    Votes: 12 1.9%
  • Dune

    Votes: 50 7.8%
  • Stargate

    Votes: 36 5.6%

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Hold on guys, your going to tell me that star wars ships should be able to modulate shields based on what st sheilds can do? that sounds like bs to me (and sounds like u are using one universe to explain another... more bs). The way i remember it explained in a few arguements is that Star wars shields blocked on all spectrums w/ out need for modulation, and further the sheild could literally be made wholey in areas where weapons were so weapons fire could get out. Now i'm not star wars nerd and all, but this is what a sw geek told me a while ago (someone whose read all them bloody books care to confirm?)

to me i tend to think it would end up in a stalemate, one cause i like both ;) and two cause each side has a plethora of advantages that the other doesn't. To say that one side would win based on weapons alone is shear stupidity and deserves to be laughed at for the obsurdity it is. Only idiots who have never studied war think that way.
 
Actually many wars were won simply on vastly superior firepower. Tactics is for when you are an even match and the enemy can hurt you. Strategy is always important but Star Wars has three Strategists that put anything Star trek could concieve of to shame. And I am purposefully excluding Jedi and Vong.

Your friend who described shield is not completely wrong. Although in actuality most SW shield generators are one way. They stop stuff coming in not going out. Exceptions do exisit like the heavy planetary shield generators and such. They may operate on all frequencies at once, which would explain why they can do some of the things they do.

I was basing my modulation idea off the fact that a shield generator is just a fancy transmitter. Any transmitter can adjust it's frequency unless specifically built not to. And it is ioften more difficult to build a one frequency transmitter than a multifrequency one.
 
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i would disagree, wars are won by the side who has the best stratetgy. Technology may help, but only truelly makes a dent when both sides are equals (ie they effectivly counter each other). Strategy comes in two forms, offensive and defensive. The only way you could have a war solely dictated by the weapons you used would be if both side were acting offensivly against each other, only then would you have a true slug fest. else if one side decides to act in a defensive matter, possibly your most poweful stance, then weapons become useless, and are secondary to a strategy that will be needed to break the defense (blockades). WWII is arguably one of the few wars where a side possesed a technological superiority (germany). Their defeat wasn't due to the allies having superior weapons, but was due better strategic planning. if wars were truely determined by the technology one side possesed then the axis would have easily defeated the allies.

(btw if u are wondering why i didn't say anything about tatics is because tatics are battlefield, strategy is big picture. tatics will win a battle, strategy will win a war)
 
Tus said:
i would disagree, wars are won by the side who has the best stratetgy. Technology may help, but only truelly makes a dent when both sides are equals (ie they effectivly counter each other). Strategy comes in two forms, offensive and defensive. The only way you could have a war solely dictated by the weapons you used would be if both side were acting offensivly against each other, only then would you have a true slug fest. else if one side decides to act in a defensive matter, possibly your most poweful stance, then weapons become useless, and are secondary to a strategy that will be needed to break the defense (blockades). WWII is arguably one of the few wars where a side possesed a technological superiority (germany). Their defeat wasn't due to the allies having superior weapons, but was due better strategic planning. if wars were truely determined by the technology one side possesed then the axis would have easily defeated the allies.

(btw if u are wondering why i didn't say anything about tatics is because tatics are battlefield, strategy is big picture. tatics will win a battle, strategy will win a war)

Love to say this but for every technological wonder weapon germany had the US had two that worked correctly. We had the muscle and the firepower as well as the brains. If we had only one we would have lost case closed.

The problem with the Star Wars/Star Trek fight it becomes a matter that all the Star War universe has to do is take an aggressive strategy. A Star Destroyer could take a Borg cube or twenty vessels of other races and come ou in pretty decent shape. Ground warfare the SW universe has a huge edge becuase of experience. Space warfare is the same. you can't argue with thousands of years of experience. the technological edge the ST universe has is the Transporter, but that changes after first battle.
 
I think ST's most powerful arguments are their transporters. But before I can counter them, I need to ask two questions:

1) How do they work? Do they work at FTL speeds? Do they convert their targets into PLASMA? If they use subspace, then can anyone describe subspace please?

2) Why hasn't ST ever used Transporter-Bombing before?
 
Star trek transporters use a method of scanning you dissassembling you and then making a new you at the target location. That was the original description that was widely accepted. Now apparantly that has changed in that they disassembled you inot energy and beam you into an area and reassemble you from energy to matter. You need to be able to scan both place perfectly or you will not have a good pattern lock.

Only one time has Transporter Bombing been done. On Voyager to a Boirg frieghter that had no shields. Ensign harry Kim beamed over a class 2 Photon Torpedo. That is the only instance in canon. Non-canon Transporter bombs were special mines beamed outside of the ship instead of rolling them out a minerack or shuttle bay. As before the only time explosives were beamed aboard a ship and detonated is what Ensign Kim did to the borg frieghter.
 
TW Scott:

And owing to what seems the specialness of these circumstances, it does not seem that Trek considers it a very viable method of warfare in general.
 
Finally people are focusing on the strategy they would use with the weapons. Its 'more canon' to site instances where they used the weapons within their universes in a the way they should, than to say 'this is how I think they would react with the weapons on hand'. Bravo guys ;)
 
no that is not the only time they used transporters in warfare.

what about the terrorists using the transdimensional transport?

what about the dozen times picard has been beamed off the bridge by an enemy?

what about the time when picard beamed a few romulans on board and disabled their weapons with the transporter?

the fact is they use transporters as often as they are written to.

and yes,transporters work at ftl speeds,itrs dangerous,but it works.and if your just beaming a torp onto someones ship you dont realy need to be accurate.and since sw has zero ability to stop borg transport,or transdimensional transport,or a few other kinds of transport,sw is fucked.they cant even counter but one kind of transport with shields any way,but there are several types of transporters.

so,st has superior manufacturing,weapons that are just as powerful[xindi super weapon,phase canon]both of those can level a planet to rubble. and i dont belive those ridiculous power numbers that sw claims to have.those numbers are based on some sw guys claims that it must take x amount of power to blow up a planet,so sw weapons must be making that much power. well one borg cube can level a planet,the enterprise has destroyed asteriods bigger then it self before,their tractor beams can move small moons,phase canons can rip a borg cube apart in one shot,andorian ships and weapons are about 5 times bigger then earth ships too,so they are as big as a stardestroyer,and andorians are a warrior race,they live to battle,much like most of the other major races in the alpha quad.

and how do you claim blasters are superior to phasers?i have yet to see any evidence of this,and if you are grazed by a phaser on kill,you die,most blasters still have trouble going throu one guy or small amounts of metal.and i know hand held blasters cant vaporize people in one shot.

and do you really think st sensors wont be able to find those exsaust ports in the sw ships? hell,one tiny x wing can blow up a stardestroyer,so they arent that powerful. how many tiny ships have taken out sws biggest baddest ships? between lukes xwing and the mellenium falcon the empires biggest baddest weapons got vaporized.so obviously sw is not as powerful as you claim,they are no where even close to those ridiculous power levels,that some none canon website claims are true.

besides,it has beeen calculated that to go to warp one would take the energy output of an entire stars lifetime,so the enterprise can obviously produce that much power[ill try to find the link].hell shuttle craft can go warp 5-6! so they must be as powerful as several stars.

and what about the gorn? unless you got some dimond bazzoka you cant even hurt them, phasers on anything less then the highest setting wont even slow them down. and there are sevral species that are just as powerful and can get a hole blown throu them and be just fine.

and st is more powerful then just raw power readings,how many times have they used the deflector dish to counter a problem regular weapons cant? the other day,they blew up an asteriod by creating an internal fusion reaction inside it .

and how many times has a fed ship taken out some of the most powerful beings in the galaxy? or at least lived to tell about it.

the fact is st is more powerful then any sw dork will ever admit.
hell,turbo lasers are about as powerful as a photon torp,thats it.
and they are not even very accurate or effective. small ships just fly right by them and they cant do anything but launch a few crappy fighters,and we all ready know the enterprise can take out as many dinky fighters that anyone can throw at it.[ at least 150 a minute for anyone keeping score].thats better then any other ship i have seen in sw.


and do you really think an invading galaxy would not be noticed by Q? he loves to stir up trouble,and he would do anything to help picard[because he thinks its funny when we fail and need help].and Q IS more powerful then the entire sw galaxy combined,an since this is galaxy vs galaxy,Q would be fighting for the st side.

jedi vs Q = i dare someone to say jedi wins because you know damn good and well it wouldnt/couldnt happen.Q can destroy entire galaxys in one thought,jedi die from blaster fire.

i really dont see how sw plans on winning an invasion,they wont even be able to refuel or resupply without flying all the way back to their own galaxy,and how long will that wormhole be open before someone on the st side finds a way to close it.three seconds of technobabble and now half the sw fleets are trapped in the st galaxy,no fuel,no supplies,crazy anomolies every time they turn around,wierd space bugs eating the hull,borg randomly appearing and assmilating entire ships[as sw cant stop them from beaming on board] and stormies are ill equiped to deal with anything that is immune to blasters. they DO have trouble with ewoks for gods sake.so borg would walk right over as many stormies as sw could throw at them,and everytime the borg assmilated a sw crewmen,they would have technical knowledge,battle plans,weapons skematics,tactics and stratgy,and any other info the borg will need or can extract from their minds.
 
And what does ST do when the Sun Crusher rams through every ship in their fleet? And I swear, if I hear anything else about Q, I'm gonna...I'm gonna...I'm gonna go have a sandwich. I already dealt with Q a while back, when speaking of the Force monks that can create and destroy matter with a thought. The monk appeared in the book series about the Caamas Document, and Jorge Car'Das was one of them. The monks eliminated a pirate force without using this power, more importantly, meaning that they have conventional power as well. And they use teleportation to power their ships. I was under the concensus that we were leaving out such things as this, but if we want to play this way, we still can-monks imagine ST galaxy is gone...poof. Now that wasn't much fun, so lets not go that direction, alright kiddies?
 
mars13 said:
no that is not the only time they used transporters in warfare.

what about the terrorists using the transdimensional transport?

Okay operative word here is terrorist.

mars13 said:
what about the dozen times picard has been beamed off the bridge by an enemy?

Dozens of times? I can only think of a few and all but one of these times were not in the middle of a heavy battle at the time.

mars13 said:
what about the time when picard beamed a few romulans on board and disabled their weapons with the transporter?

A few romulans form an unshielded location at max 6. 10 seconds for one transporter room to beams out six people. The Star Destroyer has fired 180 Turbo laser blasts and 180 ion cannon blasts as well and dozen of concussion missiles in that time.

mars13 said:
the fact is they use transporters as often as they are written to.

and yes,transporters work at ftl speeds,itrs dangerous,but it works.and if your just beaming a torp onto someones ship you dont realy need to be accurate.and since sw has zero ability to stop borg transport,or transdimensional transport,or a few other kinds of transport,sw is fucked.they cant even counter but one kind of transport with shields any way,but there are several types of transporters.

But the enemies with the type of transporters you mention do not use them in the ways that would be effective.

As for accuracy needed in a transporting a torpedo. It is crucial. If you put it inside a wall it is useless.

mars13 said:
so,st has superior manufacturing,weapons that are just as powerful[xindi super weapon,phase canon]both of those can level a planet to rubble. and i dont belive those ridiculous power numbers that sw claims to have.those numbers are based on some sw guys claims that it must take x amount of power to blow up a planet,so sw weapons must be making that much power. well one borg cube can level a planet,the enterprise has destroyed asteriods bigger then it self before,their tractor beams can move small moons,phase canons can rip a borg cube apart in one shot,andorian ships and weapons are about 5 times bigger then earth ships too,so they are as big as a stardestroyer,and andorians are a warrior race,they live to battle,much like most of the other major races in the alpha quad.

I would love to know what show you are watching because I have seen none of this. Then again form the way you ramble in one paragraph I am led to believe you are just misinterpreting what you think you saw. So I will address what I can.

The energy used to make a planet explode is easy to calculate. This is a scientific fact. From this we can figure the energy output of a Deathstar then by canon material we extrapolate the power of Star Destroyers weapons. Compared to canon Star Trek weapons they are horrendously more powerful. It's just fact. You can blame Gene for not thinking ahead or whatever.

Star Wars does have a much faster fabrication system in place by the time of ESB. The second death star takes six months to build. Compare that to the eighteen months for the Enterprise E. There is no comparison.

I have never seen the Enterprise or any other vessel destroy an asteroid bigger than it was. In fact they seem to have problems with anything bigger than a kilometer. Their tractor beams have moved small moons. Ones that are not much more than glorified rocks in space. Top be fair I have seen borgs level a planet, but not explode one. Huge difference in the scale of power. Andorans have ships five times bigger and more powerful? Great! It means an even bigger ineffectual fighting machine. Their weaponry still does not match up. As for phase cannons ripping borg cubes apart: Great. So now they have a weapon equal to a Turbo laser. Does the ship mount sixty of them and fire them as rapidly as the button is pushed? No. Oh well that sucks.

mars13 said:
and how do you claim blasters are superior to phasers?i have yet to see any evidence of this,and if you are grazed by a phaser on kill,you die,most blasters still have trouble going throu one guy or small amounts of metal.and i know hand held blasters cant vaporize people in one shot.

Never seen a phaser do a grazing shot. I fact they seem to miss way more often than they hit. Ever since TNG I haven't seen them vaporize too many people either. That seems more the realm of disrupters. In fact since TNG started if a phaser set to kill hit it knocks the person back and doesn't even scorch clothing. To me it seems that TNG emasculated phasers. So if you want people disintegrating phasers you have to stick to TOS.

mars13 said:
and do you really think st sensors wont be able to find those exsaust ports in the sw ships? hell,one tiny x wing can blow up a stardestroyer,so they arent that powerful. how many tiny ships have taken out sws biggest baddest ships? between lukes xwing and the mellenium falcon the empires biggest baddest weapons got vaporized.so obviously sw is not as powerful as you claim,they are no where even close to those ridiculous power levels,that some none canon website claims are true.

Only the original Death Star had that weakness. And to a sensor sweep it would not meant much. What happened was the exhaust port was a direct link to one of the minor antimatter generators which in turn would set off another system and so on till the whole thing cascaded down into Plasma Sphere reactor. A Star trek vessel could have found the port but without the blue prints or a craft that could survive the attack run it would be pointless in short order.

mars13 said:
besides,it has beeen calculated that to go to warp one would take the energy output of an entire stars lifetime,so the enterprise can obviously produce that much power ill try to find the link .hell shuttle craft can go warp 5-6! so they must be as powerful as several stars.

This is quite contrary to original Statements made by Gene and the show. Getting to warp is not as hard as you think. It's not thrust at all. They are taking space apart in front of them falling into the 'hole' and putting it back together.

mars13 said:
and what about the gorn? unless you got some dimond bazzoka you cant even hurt them, phasers on anything less then the highest setting wont even slow them down. and there are sevral species that are just as powerful and can get a hole blown throu them and be just fine.

Gorn are just a vulnerable to phasers as any tough human. Granted that a normal club is useless against them, but Star Wars has races that match them in strength and toughness.

mars13 said:
and st is more powerful then just raw power readings,how many times have they used the deflector dish to counter a problem regular weapons cant? the other day,they blew up an asteriod by creating an internal fusion reaction inside it.

And you are saying Star Wars is not? With more than Ten thousand years among the stars just imagine the things they can do. Look at the amazing assortment of droids. Look at their infinitely better med. tech. Look at the Holographic communication technology, Their work with cloning. Star Wars outstrips Star trek on every level but one. The magical deus ex machina known as the transporter

mars13 said:
and how many times has a fed ship taken out some of the most powerful beings in the galaxy? or at least lived to tell about it.

Many times have they lived, seldom have they taken them out.

mars13 said:
the fact is st is more powerful then any sw dork will ever admit.
hell,turbo lasers are about as powerful as a photon torp,thats it.
and they are not even very accurate or effective. small ships just fly right by them and they cant do anything but launch a few crappy fighters,and we all ready know the enterprise can take out as many dinky fighters that anyone can throw at it.[ at least 150 a minute for anyone keeping score].thats better then any other ship i have seen in sw.

First of all we have shown that Turbo Laser are much more powerful than Photon Torpedoes. Just because you refuse to accept it does not make you right. Sure the heavy cannons of Capital ships do not often hit X-Wings, but the point defense systems certainly give them a run for the money. As for accuracy with the original Enterprise being two hundred meters how accurate does the gun need to be.

As for fighter they is an old adage that applies. If it takes a second for a cat to kill a rat, how long does it take that same cat to kill a hundred rats. The answer: The cat would die facing hundred rats long before he could ever kill the hundred. Now imagine the Enterprise D facing a squadron of X-Wings. Entrprise destroys 5 in two seconds at the same time it is facing a hundred and forty four Proton Torpedoes. Each of which makes a Photon Torpedo look like a joke. So sorry to hear about that thousand dead you have versus my five.

mars13 said:
and do you really think an invading galaxy would not be noticed by Q? he loves to stir up trouble,and he would do anything to help picard[because he thinks its funny when we fail and need help].and Q IS more powerful then the entire sw galaxy combined,an since this is galaxy vs galaxy,Q would be fighting for the st side.

Actually if it was strictly universe then Q would not be helping as he is part of the continuum which is their own universe. Besides he has a kid to take care of and that whole non-interference in the problems of mortals thing.

mars13 said:
jedi vs Q = i dare someone to say jedi wins because you know damn good and well it wouldnt/couldnt happen.Q can destroy entire galaxys in one thought,jedi die from blaster fire.

Jedi would win because Q would think Yoda was so much cooler than Picard. Besides to a Jedi nothing is impossible with the Force as his ally. Q can do a lot but he has limits. The Force does not.

mars13 said:
i really dont see how sw plans on winning an invasion,they wont even be able to refuel or resupply without flying all the way back to their own galaxy,and how long will that wormhole be open before someone on the st side finds a way to close it.three seconds of technobabble and now half the sw fleets are trapped in the st galaxy,no fuel,no supplies,crazy anomolies every time they turn around,wierd space bugs eating the hull,borg randomly appearing and assmilating entire ships[as sw cant stop them from beaming on board] and stormies are ill equiped to deal with anything that is immune to blasters. they DO have trouble with ewoks for gods sake.so borg would walk right over as many stormies as sw could throw at them,and everytime the borg assmilated a sw crewmen,they would have technical knowledge,battle plans,weapons skematics,tactics and stratgy,and any other info the borg will need or can extract from their minds.

I almost love how you ignore everything everyone has pointed out plus assume things you obviously have no clue over. This discussion had started as a collision of galaxies. Why would that mean wormhole? Why not the sudden appearance of the Milky Way right next to the Star Way galaxy? Why would the borg be able to assimilate troops in battle armor and carrying kinetic energy rifles? Why do you thing that it would take more than three years for Star Wars to walk all of Star trek? Why do you assume that Star Wars would have problems with spatial anomalies that are tame in comparison to their own? Why do you dismiss the effectiveness of ewoks? Why do you keep subtracting from this conversation?

Oh and By the way I am a Trekkie and the son of one. Like I have said before I would root for the Star trek universe in the battles, but I know who will win. it's a matter of being outclassed in every conceivable way. Of course if it happens the real winners would be us the viewers. We'd get the deeper Star Wars like stories with just the touch of technobabble to satisfy our desires.
 
mars13:

what about the terrorists using the transdimensional transport?

Can you give us the episode title for this? I want to investigate this matter fully. Moreover, if ti is so good of a tactic, why doesn't the Fed use it? Or the Cardasians? Or the Klingons?

what about the dozen times picard has been beamed off the bridge by an enemy?

Shields down or not active.

what about the time when picard beamed a few romulans on board and disabled their weapons with the transporter?

That's fine. But they were not beamed on board from a protected ship.

the fact is they use transporters as often as they are written to.

The writers determine what is feasible in the universe. Since the writers obviously don't use this tactic often enough to suggest Federation employs it, nor that it is really workable, we must conclude that the Fed can't use it.

and yes,transporters work at ftl speeds,itrs dangerous,but it works.and if your just beaming a torp onto someones ship you dont realy need to be accurate.and since sw has zero ability to stop borg transport,or transdimensional transport,or a few other kinds of transport,sw is fucked.they cant even counter but one kind of transport with shields any way,but there are several types of transporters.

You give no consideration to the strength of SW shields and electronic warfare. Do you know why most of SW's ordinance is non-guided? Because jamming prevents homing even from the advanced technology of SW, in almost all instances. That is why gunners actually man the turrets on the Deathstar and such.

so,st has superior manufacturing,weapons that are just as powerful[xindi super weapon,phase canon]both of those can level a planet to rubble. and i dont belive those ridiculous power numbers that sw claims to have.those numbers are based on some sw guys claims that it must take x amount of power to blow up a planet,so sw weapons must be making that much power. well one borg cube can level a planet,the enterprise has destroyed asteriods bigger then it self before,their tractor beams can move small moons,phase canons can rip a borg cube apart in one shot,andorian ships and weapons are about 5 times bigger then earth ships too,so they are as big as a stardestroyer,and andorians are a warrior race,they live to battle,much like most of the other major races in the alpha quad.

ST has superior manufacturing? Again, you have -not demonstrated this-. You have provided ZERO evidence. Not to mention that as noted, the FEd has only a few hundred planets, when at the bare minimum, the Empire has -billions-. There are more people on Coruscant alone than there are in the entier Alpha and Beta quadrants, most likely. In fact, more people died in the Yuuzhan Vong war than there exists in the entire ST galaxy, in all likelyhood.

Oh, and Phase Cannons? Maximum power rate of 500 gigajoules. Giga = 10^9th. A megaton = 4.184 petajoules. Peta = 10^15th joules. Hence, you can see that the phase cannons are ludicrously weak, pointing towards the fact that Star Wars ships are equally as weak.

http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Phase_cannon

The Xindi Superweapon, if it could have actually destroyed Earth - and we'll assume it did - in a manner equivalent to the Deathstar destroying Alderaan, would in fact have power equal to that, yes. On the other hand, if it was simply going to blow off the crust, or something similar, then it would have less power significantly, and more akin to an Eclipse Class Stardestroyer's superlaser.

The Enterprise's tractor beams moving small moons do point towards powerful tractors, yet the Yuuzhan Vong are easily able to -fling- moons as -projectiles- at planets. Not to mention that the Enterprise was not capable of destroying most asteroids it came into contact with, whilst Star Destroyers are easily able to vapourize tons of asteroids, as seen in The Empire Strikes Back. Hell, even Jango Fett's Slave 1 has weaponary that can pulverise asteroids.

and how do you claim blasters are superior to phasers?i have yet to see any evidence of this,and if you are grazed by a phaser on kill,you die,most blasters still have trouble going throu one guy or small amounts of metal.and i know hand held blasters cant vaporize people in one shot.

Show one instance where a grazed phaser blast produced a kill on a fully grown human being or equivalent, not one which struck straight on the centre of the chest. Moreover, those are -not- blasters which vapourize, but DISRUPTORS. Star Wars has disruptors, too, and can vapourize entire human targets just as easily.

and do you really think st sensors wont be able to find those exsaust ports in the sw ships? hell,one tiny x wing can blow up a stardestroyer,so they arent that powerful. how many tiny ships have taken out sws biggest baddest ships? between lukes xwing and the mellenium falcon the empires biggest baddest weapons got vaporized.so obviously sw is not as powerful as you claim,they are no where even close to those ridiculous power levels,that some none canon website claims are true.

An X-Wing did not blow up a Star Destroyer. And as to the Deathstar? A design flaw. The Deathstar II - were it completed before it was attacked by the Rebels - would have had no entrances into its reactor core from the surface.

Moreover, those aren't "ridiculous power levels". Take a highschool physics class and you will be able to make the same determinations, also.

besides,it has beeen calculated that to go to warp one would take the energy output of an entire stars lifetime,so the enterprise can obviously produce that much power[ill try to find the link].hell shuttle craft can go warp 5-6! so they must be as powerful as several stars.

Considering the Fed ships use anti-matter annihilation, this is impossible. Moreover, it is generally accepted that warp works on the foundation of warping speed through the usage of a yet-unknown fifth force of nature, theorized to be a repulsive force.

and what about the gorn? unless you got some dimond bazzoka you cant even hurt them, phasers on anything less then the highest setting wont even slow them down. and there are sevral species that are just as powerful and can get a hole blown throu them and be just fine.

Save that the gorn weren't "fine" when faced with a primitive handcannon that blew a hole through its chest, created by Kirk.

and how many times has a fed ship taken out some of the most powerful beings in the galaxy? or at least lived to tell about it.

MOstly dealt with by non-violent means.

the fact is st is more powerful then any sw dork will ever admit.
hell,turbo lasers are about as powerful as a photon torp,thats it.
and they are not even very accurate or effective. small ships just fly right by them and they cant do anything but launch a few crappy fighters,and we all ready know the enterprise can take out as many dinky fighters that anyone can throw at it.[ at least 150 a minute for anyone keeping score].thats better then any other ship i have seen in sw.

Baseless assertion over baseless assertion. Do you not know how to use that slimy mass of grey matter in your head? Or do you simply refuse to?

and do you really think an invading galaxy would not be noticed by Q? he loves to stir up trouble,and he would do anything to help picard[because he thinks its funny when we fail and need help].and Q IS more powerful then the entire sw galaxy combined,an since this is galaxy vs galaxy,Q would be fighting for the st side.

See Arquibus' response.
 
mars13 said:
jedi vs Q = i dare someone to say jedi wins because you know damn good and well it wouldnt/couldnt happen.Q can destroy entire galaxys in one thought,jedi die from blaster fire.
Remember, this is the entire SW universe v.s the entire ST universe.
Q v.s Xendor (the First Dark Jedi), Ajunta Pall, Dathka Graush, Adas, Tulak Hord, Darth Andeddu, Marka Ragnos, Naga Sadow, Ludo Kresh, Freedon Nadd, Exar Kun, Darth Revan, Darth Malak, Darth Treya, Darth Sion, Darth Nihilus, Darth Ruin, the Dark Underlord, Belia Darzu, Darth Rivan, Lord Kaan, Darth Bane, Lady Rain (aka Darth Zannah), Darth Millennial, Darth Plagueis, Emperor Palpatine (aka Darth Sidious), Anakin Skywalker (aka Darth Vader), Count Dooku (aka Darth Tyranus), Gantoris, Kyp Durron, Brakiss, Kueller, Bey Gandon, Dal Konur, Desann, Asajj Ventress, Sora Bulq, Artel Darc, Dustrose, Karoc, Vinoc, Sev'rance Tann, Nikkos Tyris, Saato, Tol Skorr, Kadrian Sey, Drevekka Hoctu, Trenox, Quinlan Vos, and The Jedi Exile.
And that's just SOME of the Dark Side, several of which are capable of destroying planets on their own, plus Sith monks and sorcerers who are *infinitely* more powerful, they just don't get involved in things...but if we lump them into a total SW v.s ST debate, they would be impelled to get involved.
Remember, since this is entire SW vs entire ST, we'd have to include the Infinite Empire of the Rakata, the Sith Empire, The Old Republic, the First Galactic Empire, the Imperial Remnant, Palpatine's Dark Empire, the Rebel Alliance, the New Republic, the Confederation, the GFFA, the Yuuzhan Vong, The Ssi Ruuvi (sp), The Chiss, the Hapan, and several more. Also, remember, that SW ounumbers ST by quite a hell of a lot. The Galaxy it takes place in alone has 12 million inhabited star systems, and 20 million different species. This isn't counting the many species and races that inhabit the outer rim and unknown space, including the Kaminoans the Vong.
 
Baseless assertion over baseless assertion. Do you not know how to use that slimy mass of grey matter in your head? Or do you simply refuse to?

Personally I find it funny how he keeps going on about our lack of evidence, then says 'ST PWNS ALL I SAY SO'.
 
It would be funny if it wasn't exactly what many Trekkers (the Trekkies even other Trekkies shy away from) think and act like. They believe that the Law of Physics are legal laws in that there are loopholes.
 
TW Scott said:
Love to say this but for every technological wonder weapon germany had the US had two that worked correctly. We had the muscle and the firepower as well as the brains. If we had only one we would have lost case closed.

The problem with the Star Wars/Star Trek fight it becomes a matter that all the Star War universe has to do is take an aggressive strategy. A Star Destroyer could take a Borg cube or twenty vessels of other races and come ou in pretty decent shape. Ground warfare the SW universe has a huge edge becuase of experience. Space warfare is the same. you can't argue with thousands of years of experience. the technological edge the ST universe has is the Transporter, but that changes after first battle.


Not entirely correct there, in all respects the US may have had a working prototype, but nothing that was ready for fullscale production. for example jet fighters, the US had its first ready towards the end of the war, and its performance was subpar compared to prop driven aircraft. The V2 rockets is a big one, though not a terribly accurate weapons, the technology for a ballistic missile was the germans alone. no one else was even close in this aspect. In the matter of tanks, the germans were far more advanced in their design and armormant than the sherman ever was, if i remember correctly you didn't want to take a sherman up against tiger, unless you had terrain and/or numbers on your side. the german mg 42, the only machine gun of its era w/ that rate of fire. i could keep going, but i think u see where i'm going ;).

What did the US have in field that was as advanced or more advanced to effectively counter what the germans had? no what helped us win was strategy and manufacturing ability, not our technology.
 
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