Solar Cycle cause

[sscully]

Hi All,

Sunspots are said to follow "solar cycles". That is to say, there are approximately 11 year periods where the sun's sunspot count will fluctuate from low to high to low sunspots per time. During this time, the electromagnetic field switches twice.

This is precisely how Earth operates during seasons in regard to the sunspots per time, if we recognize that sunspots are equivalent to "thunderstorm" activity. If the sun has a 22 year elliptical orbit about a center of mass, it would have two periods from low to high to low of every 11 years. If that elliptical orbit is perpendicular to the EM field of the star such that it flows through all portions, then that would produce an observed switching of the electromagnetic field as it aligns with the flow of the star, but Earth is seemingly unaffected by the process as its EM doesn't switch nearly as frequently.

If you don't believe sunspots represent thunderstorm activity, take a look at sprites and ELVES. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprite_(lightning)#mediaviewer/File:Upperatmoslight1.jpg

This necessarily means it must be unobservable (a black hole) if we haven't recognized the sun's orbit about something so close.

Thoughts?
Steve

 

[Dr_Toad]

Really? Thoughts?

Why should we start now with thoughts, considering what you said? God almighty....

 

[youreyes]

Dear Steve, I suggest you start reading and doing exercising on Orbital Dynamics.

 

[Aqueous Id]

I guess it's pretty obvious that we are orbiting the Sun, not something else, or else all the planetary probes would have missed their marks. Heck, the ephemerides would all be screwed up and all of history (that depended on astronomy) would be altered. But it would be near chapter 1 of any science book if it were even plausible.

 

[sculptor]

God almighty....

almighty

may be overstating the thing.

Can you control ever axon and dendrite in your body, or the chemicals in the synaptic bridges? Can you control every muscle fiber?
Can you isolate or produce pheromones at will?

Perhaps we need a new phrase or word?

 

[sscully]

I guess it's pretty obvious that we are orbiting the Sun, not something else, or else all the planetary probes would have missed their marks. Heck, the ephemerides would all be screwed up and all of history (that depended on astronomy) would be altered. But it would be near chapter 1 of any science book if it were even plausible.

Yes, we are orbiting the sun, but the sun is orbiting something besides the center of the Milky Way with periods of 22 years. Of course we are orbiting the sun.

 

[sscully]

Dear Steve, I suggest you start reading and doing exercising on Orbital Dynamics.

Go on.

 

[sscully]

Really? Thoughts?

Why should we start now with thoughts, considering what you said? God almighty....

Good point. You've swayed me. Well played, sir.

 

[danshawen]

Our solar system is currently passing through the galactic equator, flipping us to the other polarity of the Milky Way's magnetic field.

Nikola Tesla believe sunspot activity was correlated with wars on Earth. Could be.

http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/SunspotCycle.shtml

 

[sscully]

Our solar system is currently passing through the galactic equator, flipping us to the other polarity of the Milky Way's magnetic field.

Nikola Tesla believe sunspot activity was correlated with wars on Earth. Could be.

http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/SunspotCycle.shtml

And this happens every 11 years? Have a reference I could see? That doesn't make sense unless the black hole at the center of the MW has poles that are directly facing us. Otherwise, we would just be moving up and down in the same flow.

 

[paddoboy]

We have no evidence whatsoever to even suggest that solar activity and such, has anything at all to do with any proposed orbit of the solar system, around anything other then the SMBH at the galactic center.
That orbital period is about 225 million years.
During that orbital period, our solar system traverses all of the spiral arms, and also has an osscillation above and below the equatorial plain of the Milky Way.

Jan Oort an Astronomer, after whom the Oort cloud was named after, was also active in measuring the orbital peculiarities of stars near the Sun, as well as the Sun itself.
No evidence was ever found that they orbit anything other then the accepted SMBH at the galactic center.

My thoughts?
What you propose is nonsense.

 

[origin]

Hi All,

Sunspots are said to follow "solar cycles". That is to say, there are approximately 11 year periods where the sun's sunspot count will fluctuate from low to high to low sunspots per time. During this time, the electromagnetic field switches twice.

That is close to what happens. What actually happens is there is an 11 year cycle where the sunspots cycle from high to low and then back to high; from high to low would be 5.5 years only 1/2 cycle. This is an approximate number also the cycle varies a bit. The magnetic field flips not the electromagnetic field.

This is precisely how Earth operates during seasons in regard to the sunspots per time,

This is nothing remotely close to what happens on the sun the magnetic field does not flip year to year.

if we recognize that sunspots are equivalent to "thunderstorm" activity.

Sunspots are concentration of magnetic field lines that result in a cool areas of the conductive plasma, thunderstorms are simply moist air that rises in thermals and cools resulting in condensition.

If the sun has a 22 year elliptical orbit about a center of mass, it would have two periods from low to high to low of every 11 years.[

No it does not.

If that elliptical orbit is perpendicular to the EM field of the star such that it flows through all portions, then that would produce an observed switching of the electromagnetic field as it aligns with the flow of the star, but Earth is seemingly unaffected by the process as its EM doesn't switch nearly as frequently.

If you don't believe sunspots represent thunderstorm activity, take a look at sprites and ELVES. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprite_(lightning)#mediaviewer/File:Upperatmoslight1.jpg

This necessarily means it must be unobservable (a black hole) if we haven't recognized the sun's orbit about something so close.

Thoughts?
Steve

Thoughts, sure, inane idle conjecture.

 

[sscully]

That is close to what happens. What actually happens is there is an 11 year cycle where the sunspots cycle from high to low and then back to high; from high to low would be 5.5 years only 1/2 cycle. This is an approximate number also the cycle varies a bit. The magnetic field flips not the electromagnetic field.

Thats the same thing I said--except I started with low to high to low instead of high to low to high. Do you have a reference for the cycle variations in duration? I see magnitudes change but I am not so certain I see evidence of duration changes.

This is nothing remotely close to what happens on the sun the magnetic field does not flip year to year.

I said with respect to the sunspots. Earth does not revolve through the sun's magnetic poles, so its poles do not switch in this manner.

Sunspots are concentration of magnetic field lines that result in a cool areas of the conductive plasma, thunderstorms are simply moist air that rises in thermals and cools resulting in condensition.

At this point, you are quoting our interpretation of the data which does not preclude both from being related in the same way.

No it does not.

I see your point. Science at its finest.

Thoughts, sure inane idle conjecture.

Rofl.

 

[origin]

Thats the same thing I said--except I started with low to high to low instead of high to low to high.

Oops you are exactly right, I misread your post on that one point.

Do you have a reference for the cycle variations in duration? I see magnitudes change but I am not so certain I see evidence of duration changes.

Just look up solar cycles and learn something.

I said with respect to the sunspots. Earth does not revolve through the sun's magnetic poles, so its poles do not switch in this manner.

That has nothing to do with anything. Thunderstorm are like sunspots in the same way that neutrinos are like elephant poop.

At this point, you are quoting our interpretation of the data which does not preclude both from being related in the same way.

No, I am interpreting the data like I am not insane.

I see your point. Science at its finest.

If you disagree supply some data to support your claim. Kind of tough to do when you are just making this stuff up, huh.

Rofl.

It is sort of funny, but it is still inane idle conjecture.

 

[paddoboy]

My thoughts?
What you propose is nonsense.

I should add though, that at least you are in the right forum.
Remembering though that the forum title itself, "Alternative Theories" has been wrongly named.
It correctly should be labeled "Alternative Hypothesis" forum.

 

[paddoboy]

Do you have a reference for the cycle variations in duration? .

I'm sure references are available and should be easy to find.
Alternatively though, I would like to see a reference for your own hypothesis.

 

[danshawen]

And this happens every 11 years? Have a reference I could see? That doesn't make sense unless the black hole at the center of the MW has poles that are directly facing us. Otherwise, we would just be moving up and down in the same flow.

My mistake. Wrong coordinate system. See details:

http://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/will-earth-pass-through-galactic-plane-in-2012

 

[sscully]

I'm sure references are available and should be easy to find.
Alternatively though, I would like to see a reference for your own hypothesis.

There are many references of which solar cycles of sunspots and magnetic poles can be gleaned. The next step is to then analyze why. There is no need for a reference in order to discuss the why's of an observation. That is because "why" is an interpretation while observation is an observation. Are you asking me for references to the data I presented? Or simply trying to imply I am wrong because I dare suggest it without a reference already having suggested it??? Blasphemy!

 

[sscully]

My mistake. Wrong coordinate system. See details:

http://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/will-earth-pass-through-galactic-plane-in-2012

I don't see how this could possibly switch the poles of the sun. It must be by another mechanism other than the black hole of the Milky Way itself--because the only way it would do it is if the sun is orbiting it in periods of 22 years and passing through different directions of the electromagnetic field of the black hole--and other than the solar system itself (planets have already been scientifically ruled out, particularly Jupiter which has an ~11 year orbit but would have no effect on the sun's overall magnetism).

 

[youreyes]

Nikola Tesla believe sunspot activity was correlated with wars on Earth. Could be.

look at this gem on internet I found)