Skinwalker banning Scifes unacceptable

Giambattista said:
If enough people find a moderator's actions to be biased and fickle, starting a thread such as this is a good idea.

BTW I personally have no experience with him as a mod, so I have nothing to say on a personal level. I'm just commenting on other persons' remarks.
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God man how long have you been here? There are threads on threads about these threads. And always the same handful of people complaining.
 
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Lucysnow said:
Giambattista said:
He made a rather untruthful accusation against me once because I was on the wrong side of an argument on ufos. It isn't such a stretch for me to believe that same person as moderator might be unfairly banning and deleting posts.
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He's not speaking of religion nor the religious when he says "if you don't properly understand science, you can easily believe that something pseudoscientific is scientific and vice versa."
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Lucy, who clearly doesn't care about my views, nevertheless thinks she's an expert on them.

For the record Lucy, I'm speaking of anything that has to do with scientific inquiry, be it UFOs, religion, 9/11 or sexuality.
 
Lucysnow said:
This isn't about you Scott if you haven't noticed.
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Yes I know, technically the topic is about the temporary banning of Scifes, but even you have brought up a personal anecdote, speaking of when a post or 2 of your own was deleted by Skin. Perhaps you could atleast agree that Skinwalker is somewhat trigger happy when it comes to post deletions and such...
 
scott3x said:
Yes I know, technically the topic is about the temporary banning of Scifes, but even you have brought up a personal anecdote, speaking of when a post or 2 of your own was deleted by Skin. Perhaps you could atleast agree that Skinwalker is somewhat trigger happy when it comes to post deletions and such...
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My point was that the infraction was minor, not worthy of a complaint nor a thread, being banned for a day is also minor.
 
Lucysnow said:
scott3x said:
Yes I know, technically the topic is about the temporary banning of Scifes, but even you have brought up a personal anecdote, speaking of when a post or 2 of your own was deleted by Skin. Perhaps you could atleast agree that Skinwalker is somewhat trigger happy when it comes to post deletions and such...
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My point was that the infraction was minor, not worthy of a complaint nor a thread, being banned for a day is also minor.
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I think that's in the eye of the beholder. And one's view can be greatly affected by whether one's actually experienced something like it. You ever been banned from somewhere, for a day or longer? Furthermore, I think the issue should be focused more on fairness, because of the following: if the punishment was fair and the punished person realizes this, it can work out. However, if the punishment -wasn't- fair and this isn't cleared up, the punished may decide to not come back at all. I suppose, in the end, that it all depends on what sciforums is looking for; people who only disagree about trivialities or people who actually have strong disagreements.
 
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The first thing you have to realize about religion is that it is unintelectual, by pretty much every definition in existance.
 
you know, all in all, i have found the mods to be fair and just, its not an easy thing to do, look after everyone, they get abused at every corner and just let it pass, obviously skinwalker did what he thought was best, so let him carry on!
 
DiamondHearts said:
It says 'preaching.' You can look at his old posts to ascertain this yourself.
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Could it be that he actually was preaching? He was warned about it before and obviously failed to heed those warnings. So he was banned for one day.

One day.

If you have issues with Skinwalker, than deal with your own issues instead of tacking your own onto the legitimate banning of another member and trying to make it out like it is some kind of conspiracy.

Again. One day. And after reading through his posts, I am surprised he lasted as long as he did. Do you know why? Because he preaches. Constantly. Half his posts appear to me as though he is trying to convert people. And when that fails, he mentions meeting and knocking some sense into people to make people 'see the light'.

I should remind you of a particular set of rules for the Religion forum:

7. Preaching, Proselytizing, and Evangelizing

A. Definitions:

Preaching – a “sermon” or address of a religious nature. Using religious dogma to support a point.
Proselytizing – making an attempt to convert someone to accept a religious opinion
Evangelizing – a version of proselytizing in which the religious believer’s true agenda is to spread the “word” to others of different or no faith.

B. The inclusion of religious text to support a point that isn’t related to a discussion or examination about a given religious text is considered to be, at a minimum, preaching. If the discussion is on the nature of various translations of religious text and how religious societies accept or interpret these texts, then quotes of scriptures would be appropriate.

C. A scriptural quote would be appropriate if one was attempting to explain why religious adherents make certain decisions, behave certain ways, believes certain things, etc. If, however, the quote is provided a priori from the point of view that it is a given truth that supports itself, it would be considered preaching or proselytizing.

D. Continued preaching and proselytizing would be, thus, considered evangelizing. Evangelizing in a science forum will not be tolerated.

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=34473
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Now, I want you to go back and read some of the threads started by Scifes. As I said, I am surprised he lasted as long as he did before being banned. I mean ants containing glass? /Boggle..

Reading through his posts actually made my head hurt.

He was only banned for one day for breaching this site's rules. I am sure that he will "loool" about it all when he comes back.:rolleyes:
 
First, I want to make my purpose for starting this thread blatantly obvious, it it already wasn't so from the OP.

This thread was started not only to protest the temporary banning of Scifes only. I am attempting to prove that the moderator Skinwalker is a biased moderator and should not be a moderator of this forum.

There was an allegation that 90% of my posts are preaching, this completely false and the person who issued this allegation knows it. 90% of my posts are rebuttals to posts which demonise Islam and Muslims, and thus are clarifications of the Islamic opinions on matters, backed by the religious texts of Islam. I do so in a scientific method, by plainly explaining the view of Islamic theology from its religious holy sources.

If a poster claims that 'All Muslims are liars and that Islam encourages people to lie,' which by the way has continued for a long time with moderator immunity, and I respond with the Islamic opinion, backed by Islamic sources, how can this be contrived as preaching? I do so in an intellectual and intelligent manner. If anything, my posts regarding this subject serve to escalate the normal idiotic exchanges on this forum, especially in the religions and world events forums (i.e. you are a liar/ no, you are a liar).

Bells said:
Could it be that he actually was preaching? He was warned about it before and obviously failed to heed those warnings. So he was banned for one day.
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Prove that he was preaching. From my observations of his posts, he was debating issues with atheists from his viewpoint. It is at the same time acceptable to hold a viewpoint and debate others on their viewpoint, asking for logical and reasonable proof for their views. This is the whole purpose of debate, to learn about another person's views, or to defend one's own position.

This forum is not the sole property of one viewpoint, in complete opposition to all others. Without the debates in this forum, it will die. Something which can be observed by many posters leaving this forum in the past or being banned for holding unacceptable views.


One day.
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If Skinwalker banned you just now, would you ignore it? That's the whole purpose, this isn't the first time someone with views he disagrees with has been targeted. I know for a fact he tried to get me banned as well. He permanently banned Kadark while debating him.

If you have issues with Skinwalker, than deal with your own issues instead of tacking your own onto the legitimate banning of another member and trying to make it out like it is some kind of conspiracy.
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I am dealing with this issue my own way. If you have a problem, deal with it.

Now, I want you to go back and read some of the threads started by Scifes. As I said, I am surprised he lasted as long as he did before being banned. I mean ants containing glass? /Boggle..
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I have. he challenges Atheists to explain their views and at the same time entertain his views. This is a very acceptable method of debate. The only reason why he is given problems is because Skinwalker is a rabid Atheist who hates Religious people posting in this forum, or those whom he disagrees with such as scott.

Skinwalker should be removed as moderator, as his moderating has come into question. He can never be unbiased in his moderating. Whilst he tolerated constant personal attacks by Atheists against Religious people in the forum, religious posters were given no leniency whatsoever. The moderators should realize that Atheist trolls constantly curtail debate on any religious topic in this thread, esp. in regards to Muslims, with personal attacks and racist stereotypes.

My purpose for creating this thread is quite clear. If you want to understand my views, ask me before conjuring up in your own mind what I supposedly am referring to. As I stated numerous times, I am more than capable enough to speak for myself.
 
can you spell scapegoat?
careful diamondhearts, you'll elevate skinwalker to the status of martyr then what will you do?
 
DiamondHearts said:
I have had EXACTLY the same experience. I was engaged in a debate with several members concerning the Muslim view on a particular topic when someone personally attacked me, I responded by implying those who issue personal attacks do so out of desperation and because they are losing an argument.
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The only time I saw you "personally attacked" is when you're called out for lying.

Skinwalker's moderation has always been one-sided, against people whom he disagrees with. In my case, it was because I was presenting the Islamic view on topics which members asked me to clarify or which I felt were deceptively portrayed. In responding to false rhetoric, as I saw it, from some segments of this forum, my arguments were censored, I was given warnings, and I was mocked by this moderator.
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You are lying, again. Will you consider that a "personal attack?"

Somehow, those people with whom I was debating remained untouched, whereas they constantly engaged in personal attacks against me, my religion, and race.
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That is a lie, it is Islam alone that is being attacked, and there is nothing wrong with that because it is an ideology, like any other.

Too bad for you if you can't handle that.
 
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