Whilst I have not done a lot of research I am not convinced that he was a "Devout Catholic",. There a a number of reasons that have spurred on this skepticism.Having thought about it and done some checking, I'm of the opinion that Luthany / Elenore are not references to Lithium Salts / Gods light. As I said, he was a devout Catholic. The following link I believe, gives the more likely scenario.
Kundalini About this sound pronunciation (help·info) (kuṇḍalinī, Telugu :కుండలిని, Tamil :குண்டலினி/வாலை, Sanskrit: कुण्डलिनी, Thai: กุณฺฑลิน) literally means coiled. In yoga, a "corporeal energy"[1] - an unconscious, instinctive or libidinal force or Shakti, lies coiled at the base of the spine.[2][3][4]
It is envisioned either as a goddess or else as a sleeping serpent, hence a number of English renderings of the term such as "serpent power".
It is reported that kundalini awakening results in deep meditation, enlightenment and bliss. In practical terms, one of the most commonly reported Kundalini experiences is the feeling of an electric current running along the spine. [5][6] [7]
Now if I am not mistaken the Mon aches of of England post 1453 were the Heads of the Anglican/Protestant Church, the Church of England which was primarily about reformation.1521, from name of German religious reformer Martin Luther (1483-1546); used by Catholics 16c. in reference to all Protestants, regardless of sect. Related: Lutheranism.
the coiled serpent "kundalini" is often thought of as being the "potential" and in this context could be considered as the "Potential of the human form" when awakened "rudely" leads to the rapid and in most cases ungoverned evolution of that form. [NPD, Schizophrenia, IMO]One more, QQ - your;
The potential of the human form is considerably more than most would dare to admit
Is a statement that I would agree with you the most, out of all the things you and I have said!
@Lakon
Whilst I have not done a lot of research I am not convinced that he was a "Devout Catholic",. There a a number of reasons that have spurred on this skepticism.
The main one is that I have seen no mention of the primary icon of the Christian Church, that being any reference to Jesus Christ. Savior, Redeemer, Messiah etc.
There has been reference to Mary however Gnostic s and even Muslim faiths will refer to her. His preoccupation with asceticism, the allure of the feminine principle, and his distinct lack of any direct or indirect reference to the "Church" is very suggestive that he had a mixed belief system that included a lot of Eastern philosophy/theosophy. Which is typical of those who were devotees of Theosophical Society type inclinations.
However this disclaimer,. My research is far from thorough.
He starts his Vision with:
"Secret is the garden" which to me is direct reference to the secret inner world of hidden desires. As a very troubled man caught up in what the Yogi's would refer to as a "Rude spiritual awakening" where the Kundalini or the serpent power has started to awaken with him.
It is often thought that:
Kundalini awakening typically occur as a natural and normal part of going through puberty, however if the natural process is messed up with over indulgence, molestations, or assaults the awakening offered during this time can be disastrous to the persons future mental health.
So his preoccupation with the "allure of the feminine principle" and subsequent debilitation may be possibly attributed to the "rude awakening" he may have experienced going through puberty or shortly thereafter.
That "rude awakening" for males, typically includes an "epiphany" that creates the experience of interconnectedness, and once that is experienced [especially if that experience includes a woman] there is no going back. Pandora can not be put back in her box so to speak and the person is trapped with a truth that he can not cope with. [typically]
As an aside:
the term Luthany for a place may possibly be a reference to the notion of reformation or improvement.
Luther is a German word/name that was that was part of the Catholic reformation movement of the Lutherian Church.
Luthany may be a land where the "light of God" found in the tract of Elanore
Now if I am not mistaken the Mon aches of of England post 1453 were the Heads of the Anglican/Protestant Church, the Church of England which was primarily about reformation.
So the word Luthany may have been reference to what the Catholics termed "reformists" "protestants".
In fact the more I think on it the more I feel this may be the case.
As indeed at the time (1900's?) there was severe conflict between Catholics and Protestants "Luthers" in Great Britain and Ireland. Thus the land of Luth(er)any could have been as Tolkien implied [a Mythical England]
Remembering that Queen Victoria, known for her strict morality etc was of the House of Hanover [ German Royal Dynasty ] ruled at the time and would have had strong Lutheran connections and sympathies.
the coiled serpent "kundalini" is often thought of as being the "potential" and in this context could be considered as the "Potential of the human form" when awakened "rudely" leads to the rapid and in most cases ungoverned evolution of that form. [NPD, Schizophrenia, IMO]
I'm thinking about you all right now at 1:30 hope your asleep cause I'm touching myself..... in the foot.:shy:
Hmmm .. I've perused it further and am now firmer of the belief that he did have a Marian obsession in The Mistress Of Vision.
Also, he does mention Christ - inter alia, his 'Asumpta Maria' is all about the birth of Christ from the virgin Mary.
Where is laid the Lord arisen?
In the light we walk in gloom;
Though the sun has burst his prison,
We know not his biding-room.
Tell us where the Lord sojourneth,
For we find an empty tomb.
'Whence He sprung, there He returneth,
Mystic Sun,--the Virgin's Womb.'
Hidden Sun, His beams so near us,
Cloud enpillared as He was
From of old, there He, Ischyros,
Waits our search, Athanatos.
far enough... I guess we shall never really know...interesting thoughts though all the same... thanks
I wonder though how one could distinguish whether or not he was a Protestant or a Catholic in his writings?
any ideas?
yeah well I failed to see the reference to "The lord that is missing" in the poem "Asumpta Maria" and I wonder seriously if he was rebelling against his father who had "converted" [ "read betrayed the Luthers" ] to Roman Catholicism. [Gotta remember the Catholics and the Protestants where at each others throats during this time.] [the Irish situation for example]You know, QQ (just to set the record straight) you weren't half wrong in your assessment that his bi polar, a druggie, etc. I just wikkied him (should have done it earlier) and saw ..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Thompson
.. he became addicted to opium, which he first had taken as medicine for ill health. Thompson started living on the streets of Charing Cross and sleeping by the River Thames, with the homeless and other addicts. He was turned down from Oxford University, not because he was unqualified, but because of his drug addiction. He would pick up newspapers and send letters to the editor. The editors would reply saying that there is a genius greater than Milton among us. Thompson left no return address, however, so the newspaper could not contact him.
Thompson lived a life of destitution until 1888 ..
Not that it matters much to this thread, but there it is.
Regarding this threads op...
I think we can surmise by saying that there at at least 3 camps.
1] that of the op - provable and testable telepathic communications [of an incredibly unethical nature]
2] That it is total nonsense
3] That it is valid but untestable, according to the scientific method, due to the inherent nature of unpredictability, non-repeatability and general indeterminability.
I feel there is more than enough reason to believe that all is interconnected.
I also believe there is more than enough evidential testimony from some many millions/billions of people that lends to the claim of telepathic communications being not only possible but common place and in most cases quite incredibly mundane and incidental.
I repeat that I do not believe that this sort of test should be published nor encouraged due to the serious mental/physical health possibilities for the unwitting target victim.
I personally have suffered from serious dream intrusions and fortunately have built/trained appropriate reflexes to avoid them so I have no doubt about it's veracity.
However I also know that from a scientific method point of view it is futile to make claims that science may be able to support when by it's very nature it is unpredictable and unrepeatable when employed in a deliberate and conscious manner.
And most importantly, due to the unethical nature of having to perpetrate the act against a person who has to be ignorant of that intrusion any evidence that may be available becomes useless and non - admissible.
From what I understand most wicca, secret societies etc that employ the "law off attraction" remain secret due to the need for their targets to remain ignorant of their machinations. These acts IMO fuel the world wide conspiracy theorists paranoia and leads to the plethora of persons making wild claims about such secret organizations accusing them of having aspirations to world domination using "mind control" techniques etc etc..
Mainly because these predominantly male orientated secret organizations including some sections/aspects of the Catholic Ministries, do indeed attempt to influence "the ignorant" using mind controlling techniques and have been doing so for ages. [with limited success] [unsupportable opinion]
Are you saying it was deliberate and by another person ? Many people would have suffered similar, and depending on their state of mind would have believed it was from another person, whilst it may have just been their own creation. I can't speak for you though, and wouldn't presume to.
and that is indeed a very reasonable thing for you to do. However from my perspective I would be lying if I declared doubt about the issue as I live it every day and have done so, consciously, for over 20 years. The problem is in the learning to understand what exactly it is that is being experienced and in what context. Keeping in mind that the amount of information out there in the universe is infinite, it is not hard to imagine getting utterly lost in an impossible labyrinth created by your own fears, desires, needs and wants.I would agree with the third above (as you seem to) with the only difference being that I would insert the word 'possibly' or even 'probably' between 'is' and 'valid'.
It intrigues me how people of the psychic persuasion (not referring to you) often scream mind control using psychic means by some hegemony or other, and fail to realise that there is absolutely no need for such a thing - if it were indeed possible.
Mind control is alive and raging - in the form of TV, movie themes, massive and saturation advertising, behaviour of stars to be emulated, political propaganda, social control by ridiculous political correctedness rules, mass medication ..
Peoples minds are so controlled .. so manipulated by these means today, that I personally feel humanity is devolving in this sense.
as an example:Dreams are typically beyond the individuals conscious ability to imagine.
On thinking about dreams and dreaming.
1] Science has very little idea about the nature of dreams.
2] Dreams invariably include objects and people that may or may not have been witnessed before.
3] Dreams come in many different forms and appear to be motivated in different ways.
4] Dreams are typically beyond the individuals conscious ability to imagine.
5] There is no reason to believe that dreams are exclusively existential. In fact there are many reasons to believe that dreams and dreaming are a "collective" experience. As often claimed by Australian Indigenous and other indigenous races.
6] Most dreams are not remembered. Or even realised as occurring.
If you think about any typical dream it can not be ignored that you may be only one participant in a situation of many participants all of which would be impossible to "imagine" in an instant of time when conscious and that the dream is "supplied" and no effort on the dreamers part is required in it's creation.
and that is indeed a very reasonable thing for you to do. However from my perspective I would be lying if I declared doubt about the issue as I live it every day and have done so, consciously, for over 20 years. The problem is in the learning to understand what exactly it is that is being experienced and in what context. Keeping in mind that the amount of information out there in the universe is infinite, it is not hard to imagine getting utterly lost in an impossible labyrinth created by your own fears, desires, needs and wants.
Therefore learning to reign in the ego and temper desires and most importantly master your fear are the primary goals when trying to turn "scrambled egg" in to an omelet.
Good point!
btw one of the greatest influences would have to be the video game market using 3 dimensional stereoscopic imagery of certain textures and colors and subliminal messaging...etc.
It's just that some people/secret organizations feel there more is to be gained by using more surreptitious means.
as an example:
This brings up situation that was referred to as the Philadelphia Experiment. Declared a hoax by the US Government. Yet when looking at the "creativity " and imaginings of the people at the time 1943 [ no TV sets, B&W films, pre-nuclear era ] If you look at the popular writings of various fictions genres etc you get the distinct impression that the ability for people to "imagine" the Philadelphia Experiment would have been virtually impossible.
Overall it appears to me that the Hoax may not have been capable of being perpetrated [where truth is stranger than fiction so to speak]
To imagine sailors bodies being partially "integrated" corporeally with the ships steel structure is almost impossible to do today let alone back in 1943. So if it was a hoax it would have to be one of the most amazing hoaxes recorded. IMO
It intrigues me how people of the psychic persuasion (not referring to you) often scream mind control using psychic means by some hegemony or other, and fail to realise that there is absolutely no need for such a thing - if it were indeed possible.
Mind control is alive and raging - in the form of TV, movie themes, massive and saturation advertising, behaviour of stars to be emulated, political propaganda, social control by ridiculous political correctedness rules, mass medication ..
Peoples minds are so controlled .. so manipulated by these means today, that I personally feel humanity is devolving in this sense.Agree entirely. Another is the subtle (or not so subtle) messages and themes and behaviour people see in popular movies or TV series and subsequently try to emulate. In sum, people's behaviour and beliefs are controlled in these ways far more than they can imagine IMO.
I accept your skepticism with out a problem. However I wonder how your words relate properly to the idea. The fact that media manipulation, political, and social etc etc are present does not in any way diminish the possibility of "secret organisations" adding to the pot of influences.What secret organisations ? Do you really think there are organisations out there that try to exert psychic influence on the masses ? That I believe, is somewhat far fetched - my reason for such belief being as stated above.
I accept your skepticism with out a problem. However I wonder how your words relate properly to the idea. The fact that media manipulation, political, and social etc etc are present does not in any way diminish the possibility of "secret organisations" adding to the pot of influences.
In other words the ration-al I see here is that you believe that because society is inundated with manipulative influences the notion of secret groups of people applying deliberate and orchestrated psychic influence as being far fetched.
qu:
Am I correct in my interpretation of the rational you have used.
I just wish to check that I am on the ball and not too much in lah lah land
One person's imagination is all it takes... and in the case of the Philadelphia Experiment that seems to be all it was.This brings up situation that was referred to as the Philadelphia Experiment. Declared a hoax by the US Government. Yet when looking at the "creativity " and imaginings of the people at the time 1943 [ no TV sets, B&W films, pre-nuclear era ] If you look at the popular writings of various fictions genres etc you get the distinct impression that the ability for people to "imagine" the Philadelphia Experiment would have been virtually impossible.