Should men have a say in abortion ?

[Bowser]

Exactly! You don't even try to look the children you already have.
Look at the state of health care, education and child welfare in the states where pro-lifers rule.

Is that your justification for abortion?

 

[Bowser]

Life Good Death Bad .... (well sorta selectively)


Okay, so the people who get shot by crazed killers, crazed cops and other crazed fellow 'merricans were not alive before they were gunned down?
And the prisoners, maybe random bystanders picked up by chance, maybe disabled people, maybe kids caught up in the culture of violence you propagate, were not alive before you state-sanctimonously snuffed 'em?
If those are different topics, you should make that distinction in your publicity; change your designation from "pro life" to something more truthful and descriptive, or at least append a subtitle: "pro any life that will never threaten me, inconvenience me, irritate me, compete with me, or cost me money.

Way to go! We are now moving from guns and capital punishment to a culture of violence that I propagated. Holy crap! What's happening to this thread?

Okay, we'll make it up as we go along.

 

[iceaura]

We're talking about abortion, right?

Once again: No. Despite your continuing efforts to avoid the thread topic via that deflection, we aren't.

 

[billvon]

Holy crap! What's happening to this thread?

People post things like "Should we kill the children of rapists?" "Should civilians have a say on how military personnel are deployed?" "Just watch Gianna Jensen!" "Bob . . .sometimes plays different gender roles online" - and the thread gets derailed.

 

[iceaura]

You didn't answer the question.

There was no honest question. I don't enable liars.

Because some of us believe the life within the woman is valuable, worth protecting.

All of us do.
That's the third time you have been informed of that fact. Reading comprehension problems?

I've never know any other guys who were planning a vasectomies.. It's always been their wives who insisted on the procedure

The limits of your carefully filtered and altered personal experience, however entertaining you think they might be, are off topic.

 

[Bowser]

People post things like "Should we kill the children of rapists?" "Should civilians have a say on how military personnel are deployed?" "Just watch Gianna Jensen!" "Bob . . .sometimes plays different gender roles online" - and the thread gets derailed.

All valid questions? An applicable video. As for Bob, I might have made an error

"On another forum, I was sexually ambiguous for years. It's a surprisingly difficult role to maintain."

 

[billvon]

All valid questions?

Are you really wondering whether or not you should kill the children of rapists? I suspect you would never even consider it, and you know that as a society we never would. It was posted to be inflammatory and derail the thread, rather than to be a serious question. Congratulations! It worked.

Your efforts at inflaming the thread, however, mean that any whinging along the lines of "oh, what's happening to this thread???" is somewhat hypocritical.

 

[Bowser]

There was no honest question. I don't enable liars.

Then be honest with yourself.

All of us do.
That's the third time you have been informed of that fact. Reading comprehension problems?

Yet abortion is a viable solution?

The limits of your carefully filtered and altered personal experience, however entertaining you think they might be, are off topic.

A question was asked and I gave an answer. If you have statistics on the subject, post them. Otherwise get over it.

 

[billvon]

Yet abortion is a viable solution?

It is certainly A solution. I don't think it's viable, and I wouldn't get one - but I get to decide what happens to my body, and women get to decide what happens to theirs.

 

[Bowser]

Are you really wondering whether or not you should kill the children of rapists? I suspect you would never even consider it, and you know that as a society we never would. It was posted to be inflammatory and derail the thread, rather than to be a serious question. Congratulations! It worked.

Your efforts at inflaming the thread, however, mean that any whinging along the lines of "oh, what's happening to this thread???" are somewhat hypocritical.

You are avoiding the question. I explained the context in which it was offered, yet you still avoid it. let me rephrase it for you. If a women is impregnated by a rapist, does the unborn child deserve to die?

 

[billvon]

let me rephrase it for you. If a women is impregnated by a rapist, does the unborn child deserve to die?

Simple - no. Nor does the child deserve to live. At that point, it's up to the woman.

Want to try to derail the thread some other way?

 

[Bowser]

It is certainly A solution. I don't think it's viable, and I wouldn't get one - but I get to decide what happens to my body, and women get to decide what happens to theirs.

And the bodies and lives of others, right?

 

[Bowser]

[QUOTE="billvon, post: 3581110, member:]At that point, it's up to the woman.[/QUOTE]
I disagree <---Am I still derailing the thread, bill

 

[wegs]

Okay. So, the thread is now a clusterfuck. Let's reel it back in.

Original question - should a man have a say in abortion?
Prolifers: Yes

My question: Should they have the final say?

 

[Jeeves]

Is that your justification for abortion?

That [Look at the state of health care, education and child welfare in the states where pro-lifers rule.] is my reason for calling you a liar.

Okay, we'll make it up as we go along.

Sure. Why should you change tactics now?

 

[Jeeves]

Yet abortion is a viable solution?

To the problem of your reading comprehension, deflection, inflammatory rhetoric and hypocrisy - No.
To some specific problems relating to some particular pregnancies, yes.
And you still haven't earned the right to say.

 

[Jeeves]

Okay. So, the thread is now a clusterfuck. Let's reel it back in.

Original question - should a man have a say in abortion?
Prolifers: Yes

My question: Should they have the final say?

At last count, that question was answered, definitively and with reasoned argument, 27 times in this thread alone - and I stopped counting pages ago. Out in legislatureland, it's been answered millions of times. But if you really want another go-round, I'm game.

 

[iceaura]

Then be honest with yourself.

Always.
And with you. You pretend to ask questions to dodge the thread topic, and then actually demand that people go along with your pretense - no "answer" is indicated. You ask a relevant question, or even an irrelevant one that is not completely dishonest, you can get an answer - at least the first couple of times (not going to chase your circles forever).
Like this:

And the bodies and lives of others, right?

No.

Yet abortion is a viable solution?

It's a solution, obviously. You have no idea what the word "viable" means in that context, so we will agree to ignore it. And you are still off topic.

A question was asked and I gave an answer.

You posted irrelevant details of your alleged personal experience, deflecting from the topic.

Maybe if you reread the OP?

 

[wegs]

At last count, that question was answered, definitively and with reasoned argument, 27 times in this thread alone - and I stopped counting pages ago. Out in legislatureland, it's been answered millions of times. But if you really want another go-round, I'm game.

Pro-lifers answered that men should have the final say? I didn’t read that.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

I can't guarantee that, nor can you, nor can any government. Let me ask you this, is it worth living in an imperfect world?

...
well, there it is then
classicism of life value based on your judgement of the nature of perfection as a human attribute decided by you based on your judgement of what you think each human life is worth.

the excuse to excuse all abuse because the world is a bad place and you cant control it so you demand control of others as you see fit to prove there is a god by being the tyrant controller.

there is your model of power and control having no moral authority.