Should men have a say in abortion ?

Jeeves said:
There was no "you" at the time that decision was made, just as there is no "him" or "her" with an opinion, or a preference, when a blastocyte fails to attach to the uterine wall, or attaches to the fallopian tube, or the embryo is fatally defective and miscarries. By the time an actual person exists to wish they had never been born, it's too late for anyone to abort, and that person is forced to self-terminate - if they are physically capable and at liberty; otherwise they depend on others to "step in" and make decisions for and about their survival, care and welfare.
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It's not a complicated question. Does your life have value and is it worth saving?
 
Bowser said:
It's not a complicated question.
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No, it's a simple question with no applicable context.
All the people who were never born did not exist. Why they were not born makes no difference to the fact that they do not exist and have no opinion regarding the value of their non-life.
Does your life have value and is it worth saving?
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My life, whatever it may or may or not be worth, for whatever reason it may be worth or not worth living, is not measured in terms of non-existent other people.
But, now you come to mention it, my life might have been more valuable if there had been fewer other people to compete with.
 
Jeeves said:
No, it's a simple question with no applicable context.
All the people who were never born did not exist. Why they were not born makes no difference to the fact that they do not exist and have no opinion regarding the value of their non-life.

My life, whatever it may or may or not be worth, for whatever reason it may be worth or not worth living, is not measured in terms of non-existent other people.
But, now you come to mention it, my life might have been more valuable if there had been fewer other people to compete with.
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A yes or no answer would be easier than trying to hide behind words. If you could answer the question honestly, the abortion debate would be over.
 
Bowser said:
A yes or no answer would be easier than trying to hide behind words. If you could answer the question honestly, the abortion debate would be over.
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The "debate" is not over whether anyone values any particular life, or potential life or theoretical life.
The "debate" is over who controls whom.
 
Bowser said:
It's not a complicated question. Does your life have value and is it worth saving?
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That is not the question you asked. This was:
Bowser said:
If someone tried to abort your life, would you want someone to step in on your behalf? Would it matter whether they were man or women?
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The question is meaningless, as there was no "you" at the time of or prior to abortion.
 
Jeeves said:
The "debate" is not over whether anyone values any particular life, or potential life or theoretical life.
The "debate" is over who controls whom.
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Really? So the value of your life is up for debate?
 
parmalee said:
That is not the question you asked. This was:


The question is meaningless, as there was no "you" at the time of or prior to abortion.
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Yet here you are, parm. Should we be thankful that your mother felt otherwise?
 
Should men have a say in abortion ?
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At the point which a fetus is considered a life worth protecting, the men on the SCOTUS in 1973 determined that men and woman both may have a say in the outcome of a given pregnancy in the form of government legislative policy. Concerning the rights of each parent to determine the fate of a developing fetus, the mother within the constraints of existing abortion law gets the final say. Although given the same legal constraints, the father should have the option to be relieved of parental responsibility if his desire to end the pregnancy is rejected by the mother.

Should Men Be Able to Opt Out of Fatherhood?
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/exkb9n/should-men-be-able-to-opt-out-of-fatherhood
Bowser said:
Does your life have value and is it worth saving? Yes or No?
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When should the life of a developing fetus be considered worth protecting? Conception? Degree of cognition? Full term?
 
Jeeves said:
In the US, there are half a percent or about 8,000,000 more women.
But men make consistently more money. Maybe it's because they don't waste time on pregnancy and child-rearing?
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Okay, then we should keep working to correct that imbalance.
 
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