Shadow creature filmed by security guard

[Magical Realist]

For those unfamiliar with shadow entities here is good article by a paranormal investigator:

https://ss-times.com/shadow-figures-myth-or-fact-a-paranormal-author-explains/

 

[Q-reeus]

i have seen this wind effect on doors soo many times i cant count how many.
there is nothing supernatural about it at all.

the shadow is coming from directly above the persons head and is probably a hanging mobile turning

why didn't he see it, he was most likely not looking directly at where he was filming

he was hysterical
in the middle of a panic attack
his eyes would have been darting all over the place

it is very poor quality for a paranormal event
the hysterical theatrics of the guard is what has entertained and enthralled the audience to want to sympathize
audience appeal to empathize does not change the hard science



so your applying your own physics laws here ?

a hanging mobile directly below and protruding from the epicenter of a single ceiling light, as it rotated in the wind(which there obviously was) would transit in such a manner.

as you cast the orbital influence of the shadow across the bench seat it takes the ideal path as it appears from crossing the 2d horizon point, to it disappearing as it exits the 2d horizon point on the orbital movement plane in direct line of eclipse of the light source.

making the shadow suddenly appear, cross the eclipse plane, then disappear
note camera does not follow it in a circle and the graphics quality is wound right down

the outline of the shadow matches the outline of the hanging jackets in the room.

the shadow has probably been added afterward on top of the original shadow

Re that in red - what??!! The guard hung his mobile while filming? I think not. To essentially outright claim 'hard science' has determined the incident is nothing more than a draughty building effect, one is obliged to back that up by at least attempting to contact the security guard directly. Who made no remark about wind gusting in his panicky commentary. Strong gusting actually observed at the time would immediately allay the fears of anyone with common sense.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

Re that in red - what??!! The guard hung his mobile while filming? I think not. To essentially outright claim 'hard science' has determined the incident is nothing more than a draughty building effect, one is obliged to back that up by at least attempting to contact the security guard directly. Who made no remark about wind gusting in his panicky commentary. Strong gusting actually observed at the time would immediately allay the fears of anyone with common sense.

Strong gusting actually observed at the time would immediately allay the fears of anyone with common sense.

post event application of assumed logic process which is unable to be determined
this makes it a process of assumed fact of process

remember the only facts are what is shown in the video
1 guard is clearly panicking before they arrive at the doorway
2 door is not slamming with every movement it is billowing back n forth slamming only every 3rd or soo gust
then slamming twice when closed more
completely accurate for a wind effect
3 the object claimed is a shadow and there is no direct filming of the light source
4 there is probably mirrors around the room and there is pillars in the center which project panning shadows to light sources being projected(did the cellphone have a light on did the guard have a torch in his hand?)

if we apply your logic

Strong gusting actually observed at the time would immediately allay the fears of anyone with common sense.

then we can clearly say the guard had a torch/flash light in the other hand and it would have been shining on something making a shadow

post event added rational of facts to assert belief of "reason" when the "reason" s directly being used to define things that defy physics reasoning.

instead of hard science

self defeating argument

wanting to believe versus "proving hard science facts" is 2 completely different things.

The guard hung his mobile while filming?

a hanging mobile is an art work that is suspended from the cieling
it spins and swings in the breeze

you need to be thinking in 3D of the event
where is the light sources ?
what is the direction natural shadows will travel ?
what direction will reflected light sources travel in ?

what type of flash light was the reasonable logic guard carrying ? (your theory)

additionally a door with a mirror on it swinging in the breeze(because the other primary air vent which was the door, was then opened wide then closed....
would cast such a shadow in the room
specifically if it was a toilet door
where the primary vent was open to the piping upstairs and to outside

notice the shadow moved when he closed the door with one hand
because the air speed was accelerated to move then other door with a mirror on it which would have cast the shadow across the room

which was probably a shadow of a hanging item of clothing

 

[Q-reeus]

...what type of flash light was the reasonable logic guard carrying ? (your theory)...

Not 'my theory'. I never mentioned flashlight as light source. Both the hallway leading down to and the entire basement complex including locker room in question were lit up with typical fixed lighting. NO indication of flashlight use. And NO indication of any 'swinging in the breeze mobile' as you term it. If the guard was using a flashlight at any stage it would be passing strange if he could have held it in such a contorted position as to inadvertently cause the moving shadow effect. But to repeat, no indication of flashlight use is evident. Stop trying to be the 'rational scientist' here. It isn't working. Best bet is to stick with the post editing of vid speculation you gave earlier. Something one could never prove either way short of some hugely unlikely confession from the guard as presumed hoaxer.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

Not 'my theory'. I never mentioned flashlight as light source. Both the hallway leading down to and the entire basement complex including locker room in question were lit up with typical fixed lighting. NO indication of flashlight use. And NO indication of any 'swinging in the breeze mobile' as you term it. If the guard was using a flashlight at any stage it would be passing strange if he could have held it in such a contorted position as to inadvertently cause the moving shadow effect. But to repeat, no indication of flashlight use is evident. Stop trying to be the 'rational scientist' here. It isn't working. Best bet is to stick with the post editing of vid speculation you gave earlier. Something one could never prove either way short of some hugely unlikely confession from the guard as presumed hoaxer.

NO indication of flashlight use

Strong gusting actually observed at the time would immediately allay the fears of anyone with common sense.

where did your presupposition of common sense go ?
& now your describing all the light fitting types which are not on camera and cant be seen

If the guard was using a flashlight at any stage it would be passing strange if he could have held it in such a contorted position as to inadvertently cause the moving shadow effect.

only if
what i say is how it is
then only it will be as i said it should be

critical thinking versus emotional belief system
your trying to recreate hard science afterwards to prove something before it happened
to create an unknown rather than create a less likely
so your direction of logic is toward more chaos
instead of away from.
thus illogical

it is not an emotional solution

Stop trying to be the 'rational scientist' here.

It isn't working

?
uh huh

Best bet is to stick with the post editing of vid speculation you gave earlier. Something one could never prove either way short of some hugely unlikely confession from the guard as presumed hoaxer.

and again ...
only if
what i say is how it is
then only it will be as i said it should be
because confession is all that matters or everything is wrong

illogical !

your attempt to dissolve your emotional irrationality inside a pre defined set of absolute belief values to your assertions is simply making false laws of science
but you emotionally theme them to validate them inside your reasoning.

"hard science" versus "emotional belief system"
your emotional conceptualization of hard science being "my rational" is egocentric
but im not going to un pick that
you know that yourself.

apply some logic to your own example of the guard being "sensible" and where a "sensible" flashlight would be
and a "sensible" light on the cell phone.
that shows 2 known most likely hard science variables which are missing

where are they ? where is the provable value of "sensible" cause & effect of the guards ability to define basic science & be a good observer ?

you have used the example of the guard being in a state of panic as being "sensible"
why did the guard point the camera at himself and talk to the camera ?

where is good logic when you have defined the only laws of known cause and effect of scientific method & hard facts and evidence ?
you have thrown it all away in exchange for the guard needing to make a confession
emotional belief system

i cold get quite picky and ask you to post a picture from google of the light fitings you can see in the video

but we know that's not possible because we cat see any
but your making up laws of light physics of what they can and cant do but cant be seen or described
in 2 different locations
outside the locker room
and inside the locker room

you want the emotion
that's ok
but don't confuse it with science

 

[Q-reeus]

where did your presupposition of common sense go ?
& now your describing all the light fitting types which are not on camera and cant be seen...

Copious and frequent use of multi-coloured highlighting is a giveaway - of a mentally unstable personality. Tell you what - try and explode that comment by pointing to any passage in the vid where you think a typical flashlight lighting effect is clearly evident. Quote the precise times. Good luck!

 

[RainbowSingularity]

Copious and frequent use of multi-coloured highlighting is a giveaway - of a mentally unstable personality. Tell you what - try and explode that comment by pointing to any passage in the vid where you think a typical flashlight lighting effect is clearly evident. Quote the precise times. Good luck!

lol

Stop trying to be the 'rational scientist' here.

Best bet is to stick with the post editing of vid speculation you gave earlier. Something one could never prove either way short of some hugely unlikely confession from the guard as presumed hoaxer.

your logic of the sensible hysterical security guard ...
hysterical is him being sensible in your opinion...

"rational science"

Stop trying to be the 'rational scientist' here.

multi-coloured highlighting is a giveaway - of a mentally unstable personality

hhmmm
interesting
less is more right ?
less so your small mind can handle it and then try and turn it into an emotional debate.
an emotional debate you wish to control
to control with your ego ?
oh dear
your ego seems to have run away with you when you have failed to be capable of applying rational science
now you look irrational
emotionally irrational

now you want to tell me i am being mentally unstable to invalidate your lack of rational science ability
but the fact you think everyone is going to laugh with you and join in your assertion of me being mentally unstable to invalidate my scientific method...
we shall see how that plays out

did you raise a white flag and call for phone a bully troll friend at the same time ?
i read a certain amount of privilege & egocentricity & entitlement in your personality by how your trying to flame me and science in an emotional display of your own egos desire to believe instead of be scientific.

i think im done with replying to you for now in this thread
you obviously have no scientific thinking ability and wish to apply your own emotional bias as some type of statement of scientific facts

did you find any light fighting's in the video that you can post pictures of yet ?

 

[Q-reeus]

Rainbow colored text poster responds to call to justify flashlight use with a 'lol'. The rest being discordant fill. Hopefully said rainbow colored text poster will now move on to other hunting/haunting grounds.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

Who made no remark about wind gusting in his panicky commentary. Strong gusting actually observed at the time would immediately allay the fears of anyone with common sense.

scientific common sense is a learned scientific critical thinking tool
ideally you need to start teaching this to children as early as possible
3Dimensiontal thinking requires 3D model familiarity
a proper science education starts at an early age

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[DaveC426913]

Except that he points his cellphone behind the door when he opens it and it is clear there is nobody there. Check it out at the 1:00 minute mark.

There are several seconds between the last bang and the shot behind the door. Plenty of time for an accomplice to hide.

 

[Magical Realist]

Re that in red - what??!! The guard hung his mobile while filming? I think not. To essentially outright claim 'hard science' has determined the incident is nothing more than a draughty building effect, one is obliged to back that up by at least attempting to contact the security guard directly. Who made no remark about wind gusting in his panicky commentary. Strong gusting actually observed at the time would immediately allay the fears of anyone with common sense.

It's the obscure physics of basement wind phenomena, second among skeptics only to the Venus flashing and flying about phenomena of astronomy.

Was the ghost playing the piano, too? ^_^

Being serious, I don't think there's enough info to go on, to determine if that's actually paranormal activity or people wanting us to believe it is. Can spirits/ghosts move objects, and if so...how? And the shadow...that could be anyone in the background that we simply can't see. Of course, if ghosts were slamming doors and mysterious shadows were appearing out of nowhere, that would be very creepy. But, I'm not sure this video convinces me that it's paranormal activity.

What WOULD convince you that it's paranormal activity?

 

[wegs]

It's the obscure physics of basement wind phenomena, second among skeptics only to the Venus flashing and flying about phenomena of astronomy.



What WOULD convince you that it's paranormal activity?

This might sound silly, but if they dropped the dramatic music. Just take a camera through or set one up, and let the viewers be the judge. I feel the music is too “try-hard,” you know? And I’m not sure ghosts can move objects, slam doors, etc.

Some of the videos you’ve posted in the past have been more “convincing.”

 

[Magical Realist]

This might sound silly, but if they dropped the dramatic music. Just take a camera through or set one up, and let the viewers be the judge. I feel the music is too “try-hard,” you know? And I’m not sure ghosts can move objects, slam doors, etc.

Some of the videos you’ve posted in the past have been more “convincing.”

I turned the sound down while watching that video and it was no more or less convincing than before.

 

[DaveC426913]

I turned the sound down while watching that video and it was no more or less convincing than before.

Exactly.

So what leads you to think there isn't an accomplice behind the door, who then hides as the camera operator goes to enter?

That is a scenario that is perfectly in-line with the facts as-seen in that video.

And you're all about facts. And cameras don't lie.

 

[wegs]

I turned the sound down while watching that video and it was no more or less convincing than before.

Haha Yea, I see what you mean but what I’m getting at is there is no valid reason to add the dramatic music except to get the viewer to possibly feel something that isn’t honestly there. That’s just my take. You can turn the volume down but then you can’t hear the natural sounds and reactions which I personally feel would lend to the video’s credibility. Adding dramatic music is like saying “hey, something scary’s about to happen, get ready!” So. it creates this almost contrived/staged feeling.

 

[Seattle]

Haha Yea, I see what you mean but what I’m getting at is there is no valid reason to add the dramatic music except to get the viewer to possibly feel something that isn’t honestly there. That’s just my take. You can turn the volume down but then you can’t hear the natural sounds and reactions which I personally feel would lend to the video’s credibility. Adding dramatic music is like saying “hey, something scary’s about to happen, get ready!” So. it creates this almost contrived/staged feeling.

Someone came to Seattle to film a documentary on the Giant Pacific Octopus to be aired on PBS. The subject matter (GPO) is interesting enough but they had to add music and script to convey danger that just isn't there.

Before jumping off a boat (diver) at night in a location that would have GPO's the diver says something like "If I don't come back..." cue shark week music, etc.

I can't even watch those "documentaries" because 1) I know better but 2) it just ruins an otherwise interesting subject.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

Exactly.

So what leads you to think there isn't an accomplice behind the door, who then hides as the camera operator goes to enter?

That is a scenario that is perfectly in-line with the facts as-seen in that video.

And you're all about facts. And cameras don't lie.

additionally, anyone with a little bit of experience can see the distance he walks into the room and turns the camera to the left as he walks in, PAST the door, then once inside beside one of the middle pillars, turns to the right panning
with a clear meter between him & the edge of the open door.
a person dressed in a big-bird costume could have walked around camera to the right and out the door & be dancing in the middle of the room drinking mai tais by then.

BUTT
i personally believe the slamming and 50% not slamming door(which you can clearly see on camera)
is a wind effect in the building
the shadow has been post edited and added to.
probably by cloning a dark shadow colour copy of one of the hanging jackets/towels which is in the middle hanging on one of the pillars

if the shadow figure can slam the door
why is the shadow figure failing to slam the door every time ?

natural sounds and reactions which I personally feel would lend to the video’s credibility. Adding dramatic music is like saying “hey, something scary’s about to happen, get ready!” So. it creates this almost contrived/staged feeling.

it gets way more sneaky
you know the saying "body language, or "how you say something, is more important than what you say...
70% of the conversation is body language
etc
people copy behaviors
the lead in of the boyman heavy breathing in a panic breathing mode attunes the audience to sympathies panic breath with him
you will see my comments on sympathizing audiences etc

additionally it gets more sneaky
what % of people go to watch the video in hopes of being scared ?

the vast majority of the audience want to be scared by something
or have that what ever it is, confirm to them what they already know
be that emotional belief, or non belief, or variant disbelief skepticism.

personally, i believe in some paranormal stuff
i have seen videos which appear genuine of some freaky shit
but this video looks like contrived fake-ass bullshit
butt as soon as you 3rd party the action
(he would have shared it with someone else who would have edited it then designed it then published it to gather attention online as a click bait product)
it takes on its own victimization values
which the audience attune to and WANT to believe.
that's mind games buy-coke level shit
its just easy to see for those who study such things
(i could make a video a lot more convincing than this one)
back story says he wanted an out from the site
the video was it
he then was intending to sound panicked and get himself hysterical to have an event on camera which is why he filmed himself facial,
because he intended to use the video as the reason to demand being moved to a more exciting site, probably with other people and activity in.
human nature tends to have baskets of probable cause & process

 

[Q-reeus]

The scoffers persist with their chosen 'critiques'. Once again, from #14, a line from original Daily Mail story that needs refreshing in some sieve like memories:

"The married father of two exits the haunted room and has since confirmed he was so stressed from the encounter which happened on April 3, that he handed in his notice and found a different security job."

Yeah, that's exactly what you'd expect a hoaxer to do - no sacrifice is too great for the buzz from five minute fame. Not.

 

[wegs]

Someone came to Seattle to film a documentary on the Giant Pacific Octopus to be aired on PBS. The subject matter (GPO) is interesting enough but they had to add music and script to convey danger that just isn't there.

Before jumping off a boat (diver) at night in a location that would have GPO's the diver says something like "If I don't come back..." cue shark week music, etc.

I can't even watch those "documentaries" because 1) I know better but 2) it just ruins an otherwise interesting subject.

Yea, much of ''reality'' tv is contrived and scripted.

Have any of you watched the films from the franchise ''Paranormal Activity?'' No music at all, and it's terrifying. (as far as horror movies go) I think that some of these amateur ghost hunters should take a page out of that franchise's book, and place a camera up, and let whatever is meant to happen...happen. No music, no screaming, no editing.

Q-reeus - that is somewhat compelling, but he may have falsely frightened himself, when in reality, there was no ghost. But, I remember a few years back, staying with a few friends at a house that was supposedly built on a native Indian grave site. Could be 'lore, who knows. But, we kept hearing strange uncommon noises, and a dog outside barked off and on for most of the night. I left the house super early the next day, cutting my trip short. For some reason, I was afraid, convincing myself that if I had stayed another night, something might happen. Sometimes fear alone is enough to make you change your plans.

 

[Seattle]

True. When I was a kid I spent the night at my cousins house and in the middle of the night I woke up and scared myself when I thought I saw another person standing in the room.

The next morning I saw that there was a coat rack there. The prior night I was scared but I was also wrong. It happens.

Some kids are scared every time it's dark. They grow up and they aren't so easy to scare. Fear and reality don't have to be connected. It's a survival mechanism. My cat leaves the room any time there is a noise and then comes back to investigate later.